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A Senate in the Gun Lobby’s Grip (Gabby Giffords op-ed barf alert)
NY Times ^ | Gabby Giffords

Posted on 04/18/2013 9:06:31 AM PDT by matt04

SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them.

On Wednesday, a minority of senators gave into fear and blocked common-sense legislation that would have made it harder for criminals and people with dangerous mental illnesses to get hold of deadly firearms — a bill that could prevent future tragedies like those in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., and too many communities to count.

Some of the senators who voted against the background-check amendments have met with grieving parents whose children were murdered at Sandy Hook, in Newtown. Some of the senators who voted no have also looked into my eyes as I talked about my experience being shot in the head at point-blank range in suburban Tucson two years ago, and expressed sympathy for the 18 other people shot besides me, 6 of whom died. These senators have heard from their constituents — who polls show overwhelmingly favored expanding background checks. And still these senators decided to do nothing. Shame on them.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; giffords; guncontrol; secondamendment; shamefulprop
a bill that could prevent future tragedies like those in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., and too many communities to count.

Hhahahahahaha. They really think that the mass murders would have gotten the paper work to legally posses the guns they plan to use to murder innocent people.

1 posted on 04/18/2013 9:06:31 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

Gabby wrote that?

Yeah... Sure she did...

Different decade, same sock-puppet antics. Shades of Jim Brady all over again. Mark Kelley and the Dems pulling the strings now that Sarah Brady’s star has faded.


2 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: matt04

The law(s) she proposes would forbid her household from having firearms due to her brain injuries and surgeries. Maybe the law would not apply to them.


3 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:28 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: matt04

Meaning no disrespect to the former Congresswoman from AZ, did she write this herself? Because on video, she comes across rather less articulate.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:33 AM PDT by lurk
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To: matt04

The law(s) she proposes would forbid her household from having firearms due to her brain injuries and surgeries. Maybe the law would not apply to them.


5 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:36 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: matt04

The law(s) she proposes would forbid her household from having firearms due to her brain injuries and surgeries. Maybe the law would not apply to them.


6 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:45 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: matt04

Yea, well we should just outlaw mass murder,that will fix everything.


7 posted on 04/18/2013 9:09:15 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: BipolarBob

Okay, FR is having some issues. triple posting.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 9:09:29 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: matt04

Considering the supporters of the bill, and various amendments, said it wouldn’t have prevented what happened in Newtown, etc., what are we to believe?


9 posted on 04/18/2013 9:09:49 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: matt04

More libtard nonsense. Blaming gun owners for that tragedy is like blaming pressure cookers for the Boston tragedy.

I just might watch the news this weekend to hear the jackasses cry.


10 posted on 04/18/2013 9:10:31 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: matt04

Damn, it must be traumatic to be a former congressturd and not have a job. You’re left with “advocating” causes and making appearances with politicians... and when your pet legislative issue doesn’t fly the way you want, you have to evoke the sympathy angle.


11 posted on 04/18/2013 9:10:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: matt04

The Gun Lobby is composed of your fellow Americans, Gabby. Tens of millions of us. But it’s ok because I know you have the mental capacity of a very young child and this was written in your name by the husband who is making use of your condition, or one of his handlers.


12 posted on 04/18/2013 9:11:05 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: matt04

Sorry, Gabs. Even Di-Fi admitted the bill wouldn’t have prevented Newtown. Go sell it somewhere else.


13 posted on 04/18/2013 9:11:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: matt04
barf indeed especially against the backdrop of this video

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gabrielle-giffords-mark-kelly-guns-89793.html?hp=r6

14 posted on 04/18/2013 9:12:16 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: matt04
U.S. SENATORS' OATH:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

IT IS NOT TO FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OR A CHOSEN FEW

15 posted on 04/18/2013 9:12:33 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (“By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.”....Ben Franklin)
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To: matt04

The media in the Democrats’ grip


16 posted on 04/18/2013 9:13:21 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: irish guard

Sorry, I suck at links....maybe someone can fix this and do a direct link


17 posted on 04/18/2013 9:13:38 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: irish guard

Sorry, I suck at links....maybe someone can fix this and do a direct link


18 posted on 04/18/2013 9:13:43 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: matt04
My question is, who do they think the gun lobby is, anyway? It's not the gun companies... they are, for the most part, much more moderate in their perspectives than the NRA, and they don't have pockets deep enough to buy congress anyhow.

The real answer is, the gun lobby is the people. The grassroots. The guys in the trenches.

Yes, the senate is in the grip of the gun lobby, and that's the way the people want it.

19 posted on 04/18/2013 9:15:20 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: matt04

Has anyone seen the little video of her moving about.

She has been devastated from her injuries. She was anti-second amendment before and nothing has changed. Given her condition, her husband’s effort to kickstart a new career in politics, and the money being thrown around with handlers and consultants (remember the newtown “families” each had politican handlers and media consultants assigned to them) I DOUBT she wrote anything.

It is probable a rehash of her prior writings.


20 posted on 04/18/2013 9:15:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: matt04
I'd like to congratulate Ms. Giffords on what seems to be a lucrative new career. She's now a "professional victim," and will have a great career ahead of her.

I'm still not sure whether her new career will come close to being as useless as her old one in Washington.

21 posted on 04/18/2013 9:21:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: All

each member of the NRA represents a MINIMUM of ten like minded voters.

Giffords is now self appointed.

Do not forget she was left on the congressional role in order to allow her to collect a permanent pension in light of her injuries. That was a good deed that is not going unpunished.


22 posted on 04/18/2013 9:28:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dead Corpse

Regardless of who wrote it, if the pols are afraid of the NRA, then my money has been well spent.


23 posted on 04/18/2013 9:29:42 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: matt04
How about locking up criminals and crazy people to protect everyone else, instead of locking up everyone else to protect them from criminals and crazy people?

(But that would run against one of her party's major doctrines.)

I'm not convinced that Obama's (and Biden's) tears weren't fake, although they may have been hoping that this monstrosity would be passed by the Senate and die in the House so they could use it against the Republicans in 2014. Boehner and the Republicans can now rightly say that the Democrat Senate couldn't manage to pass anything. (The House could pass the Grassley-Cruz Amendment and send it over to the Senate!)

Feinstein's AWB 2.0 went down 40-60 so it's not anything close to a minority that stopped it.

24 posted on 04/18/2013 9:33:00 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: DPMD

<-— Life Member. ;-)


25 posted on 04/18/2013 9:36:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: longtermmemmory
each member of the NRA represents a MINIMUM of ten like minded voters.

Exactly. And the pols know it. Since Newton I have friends who never discussed politics suddenly become publicly pro-2A.

26 posted on 04/18/2013 9:38:13 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Dead Corpse

Good point. Never thought of that. Though the idiotic NY Times readers writing comments sure believe she did.


27 posted on 04/18/2013 9:39:41 AM PDT by matt04
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Liberals are a special kind of stupid.
What part of NOT do they NOT understand?
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

28 posted on 04/18/2013 9:39:44 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Dead Corpse

Good point. Never thought of that. Though the idiotic NY Times readers writing comments sure believe she did.


29 posted on 04/18/2013 9:39:50 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04
Just posted in the other Mrs. Giffords' thread:

What is sad about this--which while not a perfect analogy, reminds one of the shameless way Mrs. James Brady exploited the body of her disabled husband, to appear a hero to the far Left--is that Mrs. Giffords feels the need to advertise the fact that she does not really understand the Constitutional role of the Federal Government! How many who serve in Congress, or who have served in Congress, are similarly ignorant?

The Federal Government is one of delegated powers (functions). It is not anointed by God to solve all the problems of humanity; not even all the problems, real or imagined, of American citizens. Its functions are clearly spelled out; they are not implied; they are not driven by wish lists. (See Implied Powers? Clearly Implied Limitations.)

Sorry to burst so many bubbles, masquerading as reasoned argument.

William Flax

30 posted on 04/18/2013 9:42:12 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Dead Corpse
If she wrote that then everybody is being played for fools about her injuries.
Most likely she is being used by her Husband and the Democrats for all her injuries are worth.
31 posted on 04/18/2013 9:43:17 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Dead Corpse

Sorry, I posted # 30, after reading the lead article, before I saw your post #2, which makes one of the same points, that I did.


32 posted on 04/18/2013 9:44:55 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Dead Corpse

Sorry, I posted # 30, after reading the lead article, before I saw your post #2, which makes one of the same points, that I did.


33 posted on 04/18/2013 9:46:07 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: matt04

It’s apparent that Gabby Giffords has severe mental problems from her shooting!


34 posted on 04/18/2013 9:47:13 AM PDT by Cricket24 (Sick of spineless Republicans!)
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To: BipolarBob
Yeah, I just had this happen to me. I bet this will be a triple post.

Admin Mods, thanks for all y'all do.

35 posted on 04/18/2013 9:47:36 AM PDT by real saxophonist (If something is truly 'common sense', then a law about it is unnecessary.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Sorry, I posted # 30, after reading the lead article, before I saw your post #2, which makes one of the same points, that I did.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 9:48:46 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: matt04

I am sorry that Gabby Giffords was shot (along with the others during the same incident, including a judge who died), and that she is permanently and severely brain-injured. No decent person could be less than sympathetic about that.

Ditto for those whose children or other loved ones were murdered in Newtown, or the victims of any other crime.

HOWEVER...

...making law based on the pleas of those who have been victims of criminals (and, quite clearly, mentally sick criminals) is absurd. IF, IF, IF any of the proposed laws would have had a snowball’s chance in Hell of preventing a future incident of the same type, then I’d be willing to listen and discuss the merits of such proposed legislation. But they did not, and were never intended as such.

No, the proposed legislation was ONLY aimed at making it far more difficult (or, in the case of the “assault weapon” and magazine bans, impossible) for ordinary, otherwise law-abiding citizens to obtain access to firearms for self-defense and defense of liberty. This right, as pretty much anyone reading this post knows, is something that is EXPLICITY protected under the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Thus, even if the proposed legislation could have prevented future incidents of this type, I would be opposed. The Founders knew, and so should we, that the common good produced by an armed and trained (i.e. “well regulated”) population far outweighs any harm to the relatively small number of individuals victimized in accidents or by criminals/deranged people. Such things will ALWAYS be with us, but failing to have an armed populace in certain circumstances could literally destroy (or allow for the destruction of) our society - something that would cause harm on a level orders of magnitude higher than the admittedly tragic incidents of this type cause.

My answer to ANY calls for further “gun control” is “NO! THUS FAR AND NO FURTHER!” We have constantly given up rights - by compromise or bullying or both - since 1934, and the promised safety benefits have never materialized. Had they done so, we MIGHT be having a different discussion. However, even an entirely good-willed person advocating for more such laws would have to be called on their insanity - because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result IS insane. But we’re not dealing with people of good will (not at the higher political levels - I’ll concede good will to the victims and their families, as well as to the wholly uninformed). We are dealing with power-hungry tyrant wannabbees. Obama’s childish meltdown in his presser yesterday reveals him for the malignant narcissist that he is, and is a window into the lack of restraint that he’d exercise over a mostly disarmed populace...if he could achieve that. Thankfully, he suffered a major setback yesterday, but we cannot drop our guard.

Again, I genuinely feel sorry for Gabby Giffords and her family for what they’ve had to suffer and will suffer in the future. Despite her husband’s antics, he is still her husband and effectively lost his wife on that day. Same goes to the victims of ALL crimes, whether mass murders or “ordinary” one-on-one crime. But their pain, and the very human emotional response to it, are not acceptable reasons to disarm an entire nation and prevent them from protecting themselves against criminals of all kinds - including and perhaps especially those who wear expensive suits and order those in uniform to commit crimes. After all, governments in the 20th Century murdered over 150 million people - DISARMED people - far more than all criminals of every stripe combined. We are not immune from such in this country - not by logic (we are just as human and fallible as people in other nations), and not based on history (just ask the American Indians and the Japanese Americans of the WW2 era). Our government has ALREADY committed genocide, just not within living memory as did the German government.

Emotion, however strongly and justifiably felt, simply cannot be the basis for policy. That is why I daily thank God for the permanence of the 2nd Amendment - it cannot simply be wiped away in the emotion of the moment.


37 posted on 04/18/2013 9:52:38 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: longtermmemmory

She was not completely anti-2nd ammendment before her shooting.

She signed the Amicus brief supporting the decision to end DC’s gun law, I saw a photo oh her with an AR-15 before, and she was a gun owner.

Now that she’s brain damaged, the parasites on the left (read her husband) are literally putting words in her mouth.

These are not her old writings. These are somebody else’s writings.


38 posted on 04/18/2013 9:53:27 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: matt04

What’s Bathhouse barry’s favorite vegetable?


39 posted on 04/18/2013 9:56:44 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Ohioan

No prob...

Looks like I’m not the only one having site access issues. ;-)


40 posted on 04/18/2013 9:59:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: lacrew

And I think we know whose words these are. Scummy Mark Kelly.

41 posted on 04/18/2013 10:12:18 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yes! My triple posting was a result of an apparent breakdown in access—certainly not intentional. What is going on? (Don’t want to be paranoid, but is Free Republic being sabotaged or jammed—particularly on the Left’s hot button issues? Those determined to disarm Americans have no more use for free discussion, than for any other basic attribute of our heritage.)


42 posted on 04/18/2013 10:15:36 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: real saxophonist

If something is truly ‘common sense’, then a law about it is unnecessary.


43 posted on 04/18/2013 10:16:59 AM PDT by real saxophonist (All of this is just a shiny object - Tammy Bruce)
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To: matt04

They country is divided politically and morally. It is time to divide it physically.


44 posted on 04/18/2013 10:40:05 AM PDT by GamecockD
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To: matt04

*** and blocked common-sense legislation that would have made it harder for criminals and people with dangerous mental illnesses to get hold of deadly firearms***

But this problem was solved in 1968!

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.”

- Lyndon Johnson when he signed the 1968 GCA into law.


45 posted on 04/18/2013 11:03:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: matt04

These idiots seem to labor under the idea that no one is killed with the first ten rounds in a magazine, but only the bottom rounds in a magazine do the damage.

In Gabby’s case, in just the first three rounds, she was shot, then another person wounded, then Judge Roll killed then others.

With a 7 round limit, the shooter would probably have used a.45 in which Gabby would be killed, due to the larger caliber, then the second person killed, and Judge Roll still killed, the others.

If a 6 shot .357 mag revolver had been used, Gabby dead, second person dead and Judge Roll still just as dead, then three others.

If the proposed laws will not absolutely prevent anyone being shot, then it is all smokescreen to gain absolute control.


46 posted on 04/18/2013 11:10:58 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: matt04

Gabby, talk to your hubby about shooting a Glock 19 with an eeeevil 15 round magazine, and trying to purchase an eeeevil AR-15 platform Modern Sporting Rifle out of state. Then lecture the rest of us about ‘sensible’ gun control.


47 posted on 04/18/2013 11:50:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: matt04

Liberals are dain bramaged whether they’ve been head shot or not.


48 posted on 04/18/2013 12:11:33 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: matt04

You can lie to yourself if you need to Ms Giffords but we are done allowing you to lie to us. The NRA does not vote. The millions of Americans that support and defend the US Constitution do. It is we who defeated this latest attack on it.........


49 posted on 04/18/2013 1:30:51 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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