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The Chilling Chechen Connection
National Review Online ^ | April 19, 2013 | David French

Posted on 04/19/2013 1:32:54 PM PDT by BlatherNaut

Before I go any further, let me clearly state that my comments are based in part upon current news reporting, and — as recent events have proven — contemporary news reports are notoriously unreliable. I’m writing this post under the assumption that the suspects are, in fact, from Chechnya or from nearby Chechnya. A few quick observations:

1. Chechen terrorists have a record of unbelievable savagery, and when I heard the suspects were Chechen, a chill went down my spine...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: chechen; chechnya; terrorism
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1 posted on 04/19/2013 1:32:55 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Chechen terrorists have a record of unbelievable savagery, and when I heard the suspects were Chechen, a chill went down my spine...

Again I am feeling validated this morning. I had the same experience and suddenly everything fell into place. How nonchalant they were about placing the bomb near children, how well they have managed to elude police and wreak so much havoc with only two of them.

On a late thread last night people were amazed that only two men could do so much in Boston.

2 posted on 04/19/2013 1:36:01 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
they were among the most deadly of our foes: committed to the cause, intelligent, and without a hint of conscience.

Yes and yes again. Thank you for posting this.

3 posted on 04/19/2013 1:37:09 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
He did not mention the hospital in Russia that the chechens took hostage and made the Russians, ultimately, look like fools.

Budyonnovsk.

4 posted on 04/19/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
they were among the most deadly of our foes: committed to the cause, intelligent, and without a hint of conscience.

I hear they tend to group in cells of 30.

5 posted on 04/19/2013 1:40:39 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Because we know so little, and because the stakes are so high, it is imperative that the remaining suspect — if caught — should not be permitted to “lawyer up.” [... ]Foreign terrorists with potential links to our deadliest enemies do not have the right to remain silent.

He's an American citizen .... 9-11-2012. If taken alive, he'll be permitted to 'lawyer up'.

6 posted on 04/19/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: MarMema

I read a while back that they also raped their victims before killing them at Beslan. The media supressed that info. Extremely greusome and brutal.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 1:41:59 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: BlatherNaut
We're nuts, or more accurately, democrats are nuts, for allowing any muslims into the country, much less Chechens. As far as I'm concerned, democraps are to blame for 9/11, the Boston marathon, drunken Messycans careening down our highways killing innocent Americans, the AIDS epidemic, etc. When are people going to wise up? Democraps have embraced EVERY one of the so-called progressive ideas that have killed an untold number of Americans over the years. And they're proud of it.
8 posted on 04/19/2013 1:42:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: BlatherNaut

Catch him and waterboard the crap out of him to find out who else is in on this.


9 posted on 04/19/2013 1:42:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BlatherNaut

Our federal government has forgotten or intentionally neglected the fact that one of its few legitimate responsibilities is the protection of US citizens.

Instead they are more concerned with political correctness and opening the doors to people who bring nothing of value to the country but are full of hate for us and our culture.

I would bet that not one of the Gang Of Eight working on the “Comprehensive Immigration” bill even thought about revising the iommigration laws that make it easy for the world’s riff-raff to enter the country.

I would bet that not one of them thought about ending the “chain migration” law that makes it easy for an entire family to emigrate once one member of a familiy makes it here.

Just think of the impact of chain migration when they approve of amnesty for the 20 or 30 million illegals already here.


10 posted on 04/19/2013 1:45:50 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: BlatherNaut

Bttt


11 posted on 04/19/2013 1:46:06 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: BlatherNaut
From The Uncle, on CNN:

Though the family is Muslim, their religion played no role in the attacks, the uncle insisted. "Anything else to do with religion, with Islam, it's a fraud, it's a fake," he said. He described the family as peace-loving, ethnic Chechens.

I remember Beslan.

12 posted on 04/19/2013 1:46:07 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Not only unbelievable savagery, but a few years ago there was a fantastically sadistic Nazi video released, complete with bestial execution of two men, swastikas and heavy metal music.

The full facts on that video have never seen the light of day. But in fact, the first people known to have had it and given it out, was a chechen islamist group.

Maybe this was meant to be some kind of repeat performance.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 1:46:57 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: BlatherNaut
"and participated in the Beslan school massacre, an event so horrific that had it happened here it would have rivaled 9/11 in its imprint on the national soul."

Putin made a vow to get every last one of the terrorists of the Beslan school massacre. And he did. Every - Last - One.

14 posted on 04/19/2013 1:47:34 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: LibWhacker

Democrats are evil.


15 posted on 04/19/2013 1:48:27 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Sender
He described the family as peace-loving, ethnic Chechens.

Taqiyya.

16 posted on 04/19/2013 1:50:26 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: BlatherNaut
 photo BESLAN2_zps3ebce10a.jpg
17 posted on 04/19/2013 1:52:11 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: BlatherNaut

This may have been already pointed out today, but has anyone else noticed the pictures of the second bombing location show that these two planted the bomb at the finish line right underneath the Russian flag that was flying there? It could be pure coincidence but I doubt it.


18 posted on 04/19/2013 1:52:24 PM PDT by Timedrifter
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To: BlatherNaut
They're Chechening this to death.....They're rotten, stinkin', murdering Muslims!!!!

Same Muslims who hit us on 9-11, hit the Cole, hit our embassies, the snipers, Hasan....ALL MUSLIMS........

19 posted on 04/19/2013 1:54:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BlatherNaut

Chechens: the insanity of islamic fanatics combined with the intelligence of westerners (non arabs). Dangerous.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 1:54:47 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Timedrifter

Monk would have picked up on that....3 days ago...


21 posted on 04/19/2013 1:57:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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REALLY?

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22 posted on 04/19/2013 2:13:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: LibWhacker

*****Democraps have embraced EVERY one of the so-called progressive ideas that have killed an untold number of Americans over the years.*****

Planned Parenthood is their crowning achievement. 60million and counting.


23 posted on 04/19/2013 2:17:15 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Sorry to inundate multiple threads with the same post, but I think this bears repeating and should be broadcast from one end of the U.S. to the other:

One of the dirty secrets of this whole situation that may or may not come out of these media reports is that the U.S. has been an active partner with Chechen separatists in Russia over the years. Do a search on the interesting history of a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). They were established in Washington D.C. in 1999 but changed their name to the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus in 2004 after the Beslan massacre in Russia. Their board of directors is filled with many of the same neo-con @ssholes from the Bush administration who were supposedly leading the U.S. "war on terror" back then.

And just in case anyone has any doubts about where the priorities of these @ssholes lie, just keep in mind that many of them were clamoring for the Clinton administration to launch military action against Serbia to help protect Islamic radicals in Kosovo, too.

If anyone out there still trusts his/her own government, you're naive and delusional.

24 posted on 04/19/2013 2:18:51 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Sacajaweau

You are right. Now, we must reflect and ask ourselves, what did we do to make them so angry?


25 posted on 04/19/2013 2:37:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: JimRed

I heard the uncle’s comments on the radio earlier today, he was condemning his nephews. It sounded so false, all I could think was that he was lying, and that he was most likely involved in it too.


26 posted on 04/19/2013 2:38:29 PM PDT by Ann de IL
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To: MarMema

Fallujah was crawling with Chechen fighters.


27 posted on 04/19/2013 2:38:53 PM PDT by gatorhead
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To: Enterprise

“Putin made a vow to get every last one of the terrorists of the Beslan school massacre. And he did. Every - Last - One.”

...of course, there was some “collateral damage”...well, actually, there was quite a bit of it.


28 posted on 04/19/2013 2:58:48 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

There was a village which harbored the last surviving Beslan attacker. The Russians went in an killed EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in that village.


29 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:05 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

The Russians don’t mess around.


30 posted on 04/19/2013 3:04:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Hardraade
But in fact, the first people known to have had it and given it out, was a chechen islamist group.

Gore is a national hobby for them. I will ping you to a thread where I just posted some stuff.

31 posted on 04/19/2013 3:06:51 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Alberta's Child

You are so so on top of this. There is even a man being paid at the state dept I think to serve as some kind of intelligence chechen.


32 posted on 04/19/2013 3:08:13 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Beslan Comes to America
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/beslan-comes-to-america/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=beslan-comes-to-america


33 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:54 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Hardraade

>> Democrats are evil.

Progressive scumbags that wish to disarm the citizens.


34 posted on 04/19/2013 3:11:16 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Enterprise

Got the link?


35 posted on 04/19/2013 3:12:31 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: sodpoodle

Yes, how could I forget that? That’s the big one. Pure evil. And they’re proud of it.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 3:14:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: MarMema

I was unfamiliar with the hospital, thank you.


37 posted on 04/19/2013 3:19:51 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MarMema
Here's a link to an interesting article on this subject. It's pathetic that you have to get this sort of thing from the British press.

The Chechens' American Friends

The ACPC seems to have gone to great lengths to scrub a lot of the information about their prior existence from the Internet, but Wikipedia (for what it's worth) lists the following group of board members or advisors from a few years back. Quite a few familiar names here:

Morton Abramowitz
Elliott Abrams
Kenneth Adelman
Bulent Ali-Reza
Richard V. Allen
Audrey L. Alstadt
Vadim Altskan
Zeyno Baran
Antonio L. Betancourt
John Bolsteins
John Brademas
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Burt
John Calabrese
Eric Chenoweth
Walter C. Clemens
Eliot Cohen
Nicholas Daniloff
Ruth Daniloff
Midge Decter
James S. Denton
Larry Diamond
Thomas R. Donahue
Robert Dujarric
John Dunlop
Charles Fairbanks
Sandra Feldman
Geraldine A. Ferraro
Catherine A. Fitzpatrick
Erwin Friedlander
Frank Gaffney
Charles Gati
Richard Gere
Douglas Ginsburg
Paul Goble
Marshall I. Goldman
Orlando Gutierrez
Barbara Haig
Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
Robert P. Hanrahan
Paul B. Henze
Eleanor Herman
Peter J. Hickman
Norman Hill
Irving Louis Horowitz
Glen E. Howard
Bruce P. Jackson
Robert Kagan
Max M. Kampelman
Thomas Kean
Mati Koiva
Guler Koknar
Harry Kopp
William Kristol
Janis Kukainis
Saulius V. Kuprys
Kenneth D. S. Lapatin
Michael A. Ledeen
Robert J. Lieber
Seymour M. Lipset
Robert McFarlane
Mihajlo Mijajlov
Bronislaw Misztal
Joshua Muravchik
Julia Nanay
Johanna Nichols
William Odom
P.J. O'Rourke
Richard Perle
Richard Pipes
Norman Podhoretz
Moishe Pripstein
Arch Puddington
Peter Reddaway
Peter R. Rosenblatt
David Saperstein
Gary Schmitt
William Schneider
Alexey Semyonov
Andrew M. Sessler
Philip Siegelman
Sophia Sluzar
Stephen J. Solarz
Helmut Sonnenfeldt
Gregory H. Stanton
S. Frederick Starr
Leonard R. Sussman
Barry Tharaud
Jack Thomas Tomarchio
Sinan Utku
George Weigel
Caspar Weinberger
Curtin Winsor
R. James Woolsey
Tatiana Yankelevich
Jan Nowak

38 posted on 04/19/2013 3:25:31 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

I don’t have the link. It’s been a long time and I don’t remember if I read it or if it was a History Channel type presentation. If I can find it I will post it.


39 posted on 04/19/2013 3:25:36 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Ha. I used to laugh at the chechens and their incredibly stupid brutality.

When Russia was pounding the crap out of them, people all over the world rushed to help them. So chechens killed the helpers and made movies of beheading them at times.

red cross workers in chechnya

40 posted on 04/19/2013 3:28:46 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
chechens behead granger telecom workers
41 posted on 04/19/2013 3:31:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

I did see the one of the Russian soldier.

They are a good example of what the human race is capable of when ruled by the most base elements of it’s character.


42 posted on 04/19/2013 3:31:43 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Alberta's Child

Vanessa Redgrave, if she were an American.


43 posted on 04/19/2013 3:37:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema; no-to-illegals; SunkenCiv; FARS; All

This article points out a lot about Chechen fighters. I thought this quote was especially significant.

“The firefight last night — complete (if reports are to be believed) with the use of explosive devices — gave me an eery sense of déja vu. The police and FBI should assume that the remaining suspect is wearing a suicide vest. He may not be, but many American vets have bitter experience with Chechen and other terrorists who would kill as many people as they could in an effort to escape, then — when cornered — draw in friendly forces just before a final suicide attack.”

My first awareness of a Chechen problem was when I read a book, Gorki Park, I believe, from the 1990s, that discussed the role of the Chechen Mafia in a huge informal flea market for all kinds of goods, including stolen outside Moscow. The were not liked by other Russians, and this was before the big fighting there. So when I read that the son was an auto mechanic and the father in Dagestan (still at war with Russia) in an auto business, my immediate thought was, hmmm? stolen auto parts??? Easy enough to follow up on by police.

Regarding the terrorism aspect. My recollection from the time was that while the Chechen’s were responsible for capturing the school, the Russian’s were responsible for rushing the process of freeing the hostages, just as they did in the Moscow opera, possibly resulting in a much higher death toll among hostages. Regarding apartment bombings, it has been conjectured that some of this was actually done by Putin to make his actions against rebels look justified and win elections. So we have a number of really tricky, sneaky, complicated elements, all of which need to be sorted out. Much too soon for a final report.


44 posted on 04/19/2013 3:39:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Alberta's Child
I think this is the guy I was thinking of
45 posted on 04/19/2013 3:42:11 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Gene Eric

“Progressive scumbags that wish to disarm the citizens.”

Well, I suspect the Dems will STFU after this evening’s talking points roundup. Bringing up “gun control” and “immigration reform” is probably not polling very well right now for some reason.

What do you call the people in Boston who lived near the terrorists? Future gun owners and members of the NRA!


46 posted on 04/19/2013 3:43:59 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: BlatherNaut

Well,
Waterboarding is immoral, or illegal, or some other such b.s.


47 posted on 04/19/2013 3:44:43 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: gleeaikin
We have seen the victim cycle from other islamic radicals far too often.

Putin did not need anything to convince others, he had a dog and pony show he took on the road to Europe of videos that the chechens themselves had sent to Russia.

Have you been here long enough to recall the first beheading video that was around awhile back? With the chechen laughing as he used a knife to stab the neck of a soldier on the ground.

48 posted on 04/19/2013 3:45:34 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: gleeaikin
Agreement.
49 posted on 04/19/2013 3:50:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Yes, I was just posting about that on another thread.

In Russia I spoke with people very near the border. We took our 7 yr old son to Russia and when we were very close to Ikcheria the Russians did not allow us to speak English in public. The chechens tell their children bedtime stories which are very savage and add to their very warrior-oriented culture.

Georgia (Gruzia) where I have also spent time, has a warrior culture as well, but because they are Orthodox Christian, they are not savages.

this is the caucasus

You cannot believe in the mountains there, people are living as if it were still the middle ages.

50 posted on 04/19/2013 3:52:07 PM PDT by MarMema
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