Posted on 04/20/2013 5:24:12 AM PDT by rhema
Even knowing that there are radicals in all movements, doesn’t lessen the startling admission recently by lesbian journalist Masha Gessen. On a radio show she actually admits that homosexual activists are lying about their radical political agenda. She says that they don’t want to access the institution of marriage; they want to radically redefine and eventually eliminate it.
Here is what she recently said on a radio interview:
“It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.
"The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.
"I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”
For quite some time, the defenders of natural marriage have attempted to point out that the true agenda behind the homosexual demands organizations is not marriage equality; it is the total unraveling of marriage and uprooting traditional values from society. (This will ultimately include efforts to silence and punish some churches that openly adhere to their religious teachings about marriage and sexual morality.)
While few have been as vocal as this lesbian activist was in this interview, we do have numerical examples proving her point. When given the opportunity to marry, after laws have been struck down relatively small percentages of homosexuals actually bother to marry compared to their heterosexual counterparts. This raises question about the true need to unravel marriage for the “fair” extension its benefits. Only 12 percent of homosexuals in the Netherlands marry compared to 86 percent of their heterosexual peers. Less than 20 percent of same-sex couples already living together in California married when given the chance in 2008. In contrast, 91 percent of heterosexual couples in California who are living together are married.
Clearly this is about cultural change and tearing down the traditional family ethic, since it seems that most homosexuals living together neither need nor desire to marry, though they do desire to radically change marriage.
Gays and lesbians are free to live as they choose, and we live in a society which roundly applauds them doing so like never before in our history, but they do not have the right to rewrite marriage for all of society.
To destroy a country from within, the family must be destroyed. Families are the building blocks of any society.
Yes, they are also trying to destroy freedom of religion. But the church has always been fertilized by the blood of the martyrs. The church has become insipid in our country. Once Christians become convinced it is under serious attack, it will only become stronger.
In a war between homosexuals and God, the outcome is a no-brainer.
Perfect!
You have a real hard time with conflation - I would say “hyper conflation” in fact.
That been said, the same people behind the present abomination also engineered the original paradigm shift of the 60s.
Exactly. We would not be having a “gay marriage” debate today if non-gays, many of whom were conservative, did not first turn marriage from a lifelong commitment into a convenience to be thrown away once the husband and wife started fighting, or one of them became sexually attracted to someone else.
Well, but there is an ideological continuity at work here. I once heard Bay Buchanan speak here in Springfield and she made an interesting case how the Marxist theory of absolute equality was a factor in the rise of feminism, which was the driving force for “liberating” women from antiquated divorce laws which treated her as mere property of the male. And when that didn’t bring utopia, the biological inequity of having to bear children became the next milestone to seek. But the “free love” revolution still did not succeed in bringing equality, so marriage as a government-encouraged institution is the next logical hurdle. It was an interesting talk for her to give on a secular campus. Sponsored by Young Republicans. I wish more people understood the unified ideological fronts we face, and showing how gay marriage is just one point on the continuum of the Marxist evolution to utopia provides a beneficial understanding of what, really, we are up against.
I agree with your “ideological continuity” theory totally, but that was not the point some others were making. Somewhere along that continuum, we cross a mid point - from the flawed execution of those who believe in marriage to the evil intent of those who hate it and want to destroy it. But yes, it is a liberal continuum....
...By a gay preacher. Yes it gets worse. Example: Gay "married" preacher applies for a job at a church. The church refuses because he is gay, but particularly because he is a "married" gay. Law suit...the gay preacher is hired...and is harassed...congregation is divided. Gay preacher wants to preach...he is refused...law suit...he preaches to an almost empty sanctuary...game, set, match.
ooops, sorry...don’t look below.
We — Christians, conservatives and other non-gays — need to look in the mirror. Saying that gay marriage is destroying marriage is a cop out. It makes it sound like marriage was some strong, vibrant institution and then all the sudden gays came along and tried to destroy marriage with gay marriage. That is simply not true. Marriage, as an institution, has been on life support for years. As a prior poster said, the sick institution is susceptible to any infection. A strong institution would have been able to brush gay marriage off. And once the gay marriage debate is done, we will move on to the next one — polygamy or even easier divorce laws, or lowering the consent age to accomodate immigrant cultures. We — normal, average, heterosexual Americans — caused this problem by making marriage more convenient for us. Allowing us to hop in and out of marriage and making it OK to live together and sleep around. We can’t now turn around and blame it all on gays.
I doubt you’ll ever understand this, but I’ll throw it out for others to think about: your facts are correct. Everything you said about how marriage has been weakened by those married is absolutely correct. This weakened state of marriage has made it more vulnerable to attacks from the outside.
HOWEVER, the attacks from the outside ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PROBLEMS FROM THE INSIDE. You are using a liberal argument here: your fallacy is just as bad as libs who said “America deserved 9-11” because of America’s flaws. You know, America deserves the “outside” attacks because of “inside” flaws.
Again, I know, you won’t be able to connect these dots...but others will. Also, I’ll throw in one off the cuff theory for free: you sound trapped in a miserable marriage and resentful of those who escaped one.
We need to look in the mirror and get a little reading comprehension actually. The point of this article....THE POINT OF THIS ARTICLE.....was that a gay activist was admitting that destruction of marriage was really their goal. All of your attempts to stay above the fray by blaming us first (altho your points are accurate) proves that you were not able to follow the logic of the article.
Well said.
Witness this declaration from an evangelical denomination:
Declaration
God created people male and female, and provided for the marriage relationship in which two may become one. A publicly declared, legally binding marriage between one woman and one man is the one appropriate place for sexual intercourse. Heterosexual marriage, faithfulness within marriage, abstinence outside of marriage—these constitute the Christian standard. When we fall short, we are invited to repent, receive the forgiveness of God, and amend our lives.
Response
We recognize that God’s gift of sexuality is like a deep and swiftly moving river, beautiful, mysterious, and powerful. The boundaries of Scripture must be built into our lives in order for this immense power to be a source of blessing rather than destruction. Therefore, we call upon pastors, church members, and Christian families to forsake silence about sexuality and to declare God’s truth about the beauty and potential of sexuality and to warn and counsel with compassion when it is misused. In the local church, we encourage ministries to address these needs:
to teach children, teens, and adults the biblical basis for the Christian standard of sexuality.
to prepare people for marriage and enrich marriages.
to affirm the gift of singleness and welcome singles into the full life of the congregation.
to oppose the proliferation of pornography and prostitution.
to care for persons involved in sexual sins such as adultery, homosexual behavior and promiscuity, compassionately recognizing the potential of these sins to take the form of addiction.
to teach the dangers and harm of spousal abuse, sexual abuse and sexual harassment, seeking to prevent these sins in Christian homes and lives.
to compassionately care for the victims of sexual sins of all kinds.
No, just a little tired of people pissing and moaning about the how the crab grass is ruining the lawn when the foundation and roof of the house have collapsed.
Marriage used to be an institution that was big enough to take care of itself. I’m sure conservatives ignoring the role they played in screwing that up makes them feel better about themselves but it doesn’t absolve them.
What you cannot seem to get thru your noggin is that this thread was started by a single premise: that the enemies of marriage have finally admitted what we all knew from the start: that their goal was not to JOIN marriage, it was to DESTROY marriage. That is what THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the many flaws of those who are in marriages. Your facts are correct. You still hyper conflated the issues......this is not about “pissing and moaning” at all. This is simply about the enemy admitting they are the enemy. Period. So why don’t you just go find an article....I am sure there are thousands....about how married folks have invited this hell storm on themselves by their own actions. That would be a valid thread.
BUT IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE THREAD, A SEPARATE ISSUE!!!!!!
WHUT U SAYS??
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