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Internet sales tax embraced by no-tax Republicans (in Senate)
yahoo news ^ | 4/25/2013 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER

Posted on 04/25/2013 5:55:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs

WASHINGTON (AP) — You don't see this very often: a majority of Senate Republicans voting to make people who buy stuff on the Internet pay state and local sales taxes.

The Senate could vote as early as Thursday on a bill to empower states to require online retailers to collect state and local sales taxes for purchases made over the Internet. Under the bill, the sales taxes would be sent to the states where a shopper lives.

On Wednesday, the bill passed a test vote in the Senate, 74 to 23, with 27 Republicans voting in favor. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., vowed to pass the bill this week, before senators leave for a scheduled vacation.

"This is a matter of equity and fairness," said South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard, a Republican. "The same people who are selling the same products should be paying the same taxes."

Under current law, states can only require stores to collect sales taxes if the store has a physical presence in the state. As a result, many online sales are essentially tax-free, giving Internet retailers an advantage over brick-and-mortar stores.

It is part of GOP orthodoxy to oppose higher taxes, a central issue that divides Democrats and Republicans. That's why the bill faces an uncertain fate in the House, where some Republicans regard it as a tax increase.

But supporters of the bill insist it is not a tax increase. Instead, they say, the bill merely provides states with a mechanism to enforce current taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: internet; internetsalestax; internettax; salestax; stupidparty; taxes; taxistax
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Backstabbers!
1 posted on 04/25/2013 5:55:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

Both houses of congress seem to be composed nearly 100% of Democrats. I don’t think that’s ever happened before.


2 posted on 04/25/2013 5:57:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: sickoflibs

Don’t worry, Obama will veto. He PROMISED “not one dime” of anyone’s taxes making less than $250,000 would go up.

And the Republicans are punks for doing this. Idiots.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 5:59:24 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: sickoflibs

Do you know how sick I am of the words “equity and fairness?”

Hey Gov Doofus. We’re not your ATM!!

Cut it out!!!!!


4 posted on 04/25/2013 5:59:29 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: sickoflibs
I think the GOP and the Democrat Party have become one-in-the-same....just different colors...

5 posted on 04/25/2013 5:59:38 AM PDT by BCW (OIF - a book by a combat veteran - http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: sickoflibs

Actually, businesses really support this bill. They are tired of losing sales to the Internet.


6 posted on 04/25/2013 6:01:02 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: sickoflibs

catalog sales never were considered a “threat” to brick and mortars or local sales taxes.


7 posted on 04/25/2013 6:02:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: sickoflibs

Congresscritters are slime.

However, they are only mid-level slime.

The real slime lives in (infests?) the White House.

Pure slime there.


8 posted on 04/25/2013 6:03:05 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ClearCase_guy

My brother is a screaming liberal DNC hack. His Facebook page is like a DNC fax machine. I finally had to block him.
He opposes this bill because he makes all his money off Internet banner ads. The worm gets to turn.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: sickoflibs

Someone remind me why the Republicans have a lock on the House in 2014 and are poised to regain the Senate.


10 posted on 04/25/2013 6:06:07 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: AppyPappy

I’m still waiting for the gubmint to collect an import duty on million dollar software that is coded by East Asians in India and then smuggled via the internet wires into the United States without paying import duty on the manufactured product.

My job was off-shored because of billion dollar marxists like Bill Gates watering down the salary in my field.


11 posted on 04/25/2013 6:07:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: AppyPappy

(Actually, businesses really support this bill. They are tired of losing sales to the Internet.)

You are right. It’s too bad that consumers don’t ever seem to be represented by anybody in Congress.


12 posted on 04/25/2013 6:08:38 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: sickoflibs
"This is a matter of equity and fairness," said South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard, a Republican. "The same people who are selling the same products should be paying the same taxes."

Here's a thought rino, if you want everybody to pay the same, abolish sales taxes.

Oh, you say you can't do that because it would be interfering with the state's right to tax? Apply the same logic to making them tax.

13 posted on 04/25/2013 6:09:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: AppyPappy; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy
RE :”Actually, businesses really support this bill. They are tired of losing sales to the Internet.”

???

They support amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals too to get the $$$ w new workers in the nearer term, and they don't care that longer term those same new voters will vote for Dems to crush them.

Their interests are not

14 posted on 04/25/2013 6:13:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Behind the rhetoric most republicans are not much different than democrats when it comes to big government, taxes and the Nanny State.

The real difference is how they go about it.

Democrats stare you in the face, tell you they are going to take more of your money, and then do it every chance they get.

Republicans stare you in the face, tell you they believe in lower taxes at the same time they are doing a reach-around to clean out your wallet.


15 posted on 04/25/2013 6:14:53 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: AppyPappy

My brother is a screaming liberal DNC hack. His Facebook page is like a DNC fax machine. I finally had to block him.
He opposes this bill because he makes all his money off Internet banner ads. The worm gets to turn.

Take that knife that has been thrust in his back and give it a twist, and then twist it again, the dumbass deserves it for voting for these people...


16 posted on 04/25/2013 6:20:44 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: AppyPappy

My brother is a screaming liberal DNC hack. His Facebook page is like a DNC fax machine. I finally had to block him.
He opposes this bill because he makes all his money off Internet banner ads. The worm gets to turn.

Call him an “Anti-Tax TeaBagger” over and over again in front of his friends on facebook, MAKE HIM THINK ABOUT IT TOO!


17 posted on 04/25/2013 6:21:56 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: sickoflibs

We live in the country..don’t drive much..the Internet has been a real blessing for shopping. BUT..the shipping has gotten higher..now that they are going to tax too..might as well go to the city and buy.

Glad no one in this family is a shop hound.


18 posted on 04/25/2013 6:22:46 AM PDT by stillafreemind
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To: a fool in paradise

Now I’d go for that. We have a small off-shore contingent and my first goal as a new manager was to move that back home. I get 2 home devs for the 4 offshore ones. Such crap.


19 posted on 04/25/2013 6:24:19 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: All

How can a revenue producing bill originate in the Senate?


20 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:49 AM PDT by bennowens
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To: sickoflibs

“This is a matter of equity and fairness,”

When was the last time that the word “fairness” appeared in a bill that didn’t screw the citizens?


21 posted on 04/25/2013 6:29:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: GraceG

Oh, you are bad. Good bad.


22 posted on 04/25/2013 6:31:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

You are right it is a temporary loop hole that was allowed to exist so that a new market model could get a toe hold and flourish. Two decades is enough.

Conservatives believe local government is best. Conservatives believe in federalism.
Having a local state tax that has faulty enforcement for a new market to emerge is one thing, but it does make states more dependent upon the federal money flow because part of the normal commerce that is occuring escapes taxes.

The state has less income from the commerce in the state and becomes more dependent or introduces NEW forms of taxes rather than what was approved.

We now have established national businesses that are killing the local retailers that employ local people. If the large internet monsters could exist off shore or in India to insure maximiziing profits they would.

I like local government that I can more easily control with my neighbors — I don’t like Federal Government. I like local services such as fire, police, sewer treatment, property and contract rights courts. I don’t like EPA, Department of Energy, and all the Federal bloat.

Why do we want to hamstring the local government and thereby create a void that the unlimited Federal Government can fill?

Taxes are “takings” I agree, but when the feds spend they aren’t limited by what is voted on — they just spend more money by printing it.


23 posted on 04/25/2013 6:31:27 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years)
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To: sickoflibs
As a result, many online sales are essentially tax-free, giving Internet retailers an advantage over brick-and-mortar stores.

This is of course an outright lie. Shipping charges add to the cost of on-line. Something that the tax suckers refuse to admit.

24 posted on 04/25/2013 6:37:12 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Iron Munro; stillafreemind; Graybeard58; Arm_Bears; a fool in paradise; BCW; sauropod; ...

Here in Maryland and in CA there is only one party running things now and its Dems and the states GOP/RINO parties cant stop anything from passing there.

So NO surprise they both and VA just raised a bunch of regressive taxes including sales taxes. That is where the money is.

What IS more surprising is that Senate RINOs are now supporting THIS bill to enforce that collection for internet out of state purchases because businesses are telling them too with their $$$$. Most of those Senators are very rich $$$$ too, they will fight against their taxes going up but not this on us.

We are nothing to the (Senate) GOP. Between this and amnesty I am pretty close to writing them off completely, not that they care.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 6:38:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I hear about “fair trade” coffee and tea leaves but never about free trade marketplace for technical skills.


26 posted on 04/25/2013 6:40:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: sickoflibs
"But supporters of the bill insist it is not a tax increase. Instead, they say, the bill merely provides states with a mechanism to enforce current taxes."

No, it is a way to keep the gov't growing. The govt has enough money. DO NOT HAVE INTERNET SALES TAX

27 posted on 04/25/2013 6:40:49 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: sickoflibs
The Internet is the one part of the economy Ubama has not been able to destroy.

He finally gets to change that!

28 posted on 04/25/2013 6:42:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: sickoflibs

This is a knife in the back of internet retailers - it will force them to handle sales taxes for at least 50 government entities, whereas a brick and mortar business only requires they handle a single set of sales taxes, for the community in which they are physically located.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: stillafreemind

We live in the country..don’t drive much

My sister is in the same situation caring for my elderly father. Small towns don’t have the many items that are on the internet and never will.

Suppressing the ability to buy & sell is a way to turn America into a third world country.


30 posted on 04/25/2013 6:46:53 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: MortMan
...whereas a brick and mortar business only requires they handle a single set of sales taxes, for the community in which they are physically located.

Every supply house and manufacturer that ships their products to end users outside their state or works outside their state has dealt with paying taxes to sales they make in those other states and has done so with normal accounting systems for generations.

A retail store with one location and over the counter sales is the exception rather than the rule.

31 posted on 04/25/2013 6:46:56 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years)
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To: AppyPappy

In Ca, Amazon has been charging sales tax since last year. I’m still more likely to buy on Amazon because of superior selection and convenience, it just costs me more, so I buy less.

This bill puts small businesses at a huge disadvantage. Amazon will not have a problem with transferring taxes to 50 states, but a Mom & Pop will.

The real solution is to tax using the Georgist model. But then, governments would have to function on what they earn on their contribution to society. They wouldn’t like that.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 6:47:39 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: sickoflibs

Nothing demonstrates stupidity more than someone believing that the GOP is conservative


33 posted on 04/25/2013 6:47:45 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: KC Burke

States are already doing this on their own and it is causing a mess. I don’t agree with it but I see the reason for it.


34 posted on 04/25/2013 6:48:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: KC Burke
Having a local state tax that has faulty enforcement for a new market to emerge is one thing

My major issue with this approach is that it forces internet retailers to deal with at least 50 different sets of sales taxes, depending on the location of the customer. If local taxes are included, the number of sets of taxes could become exponentially larger. At brick-and-mortar, they have to deal with one set of sales taxes - for their store's location.

Closing this "loophole" makes internet retailing prohibitively expensive, with time and effort for distinguishing the various sales tax requirements and transmission of the collected money an unpaid government service to be provided by the seller. It does not "level the playing field" - it tilts it drastically in the opposite direction.

35 posted on 04/25/2013 6:49:09 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Their salaries, benefits, and perks come from taxes they extort from citizens. Is it a surprise that most of them will vote for taxes.

Politics is like professional wrestling. The players pretend to be adversaries, but, really, they’re just actors trying to make a buck.


36 posted on 04/25/2013 6:52:54 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: sickoflibs; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Well, both my Texas Senators... voted 'Nay.' Yet a bunch of so-called Republicans voted 'Yea.'

Below you can pick out them sumbitches that turnedcoated on us:

YEAs -—74
Alexander (R-TN)
Baldwin (D-WI)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Crapo (R-ID)
Donnelly (D-IN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Flake (R-AZ)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Heitkamp (D-ND)
Hirono (D-HI)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moran (R-KS)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)

NAYs -—23

Ayotte (R-NH)
Baucus (D-MT)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cruz (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kirk (R-IL)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 3

Cowan (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Warren (D-MA)

37 posted on 04/25/2013 6:54:47 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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38 posted on 04/25/2013 6:57:32 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: KC Burke

And yet the retail store is the very example the pols use to explain why this must be done...

I cannot confirm or deny the supply house/manufacturer info you posted from my own experience. I was under the impression that the sales taxes enforced at that level would be those of the seller, not the buyer.

I’ve never worked at that end of the sales continuum.


39 posted on 04/25/2013 7:00:10 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: RedMDer

One of our senators, Roberts, understands what a bad move this would be. Thanks for the ‘NO’ vote!


40 posted on 04/25/2013 7:01:50 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: Bender2

McCain I understand but Sessions and Shelby joined him and the Dem tax raisers.


41 posted on 04/25/2013 7:03:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

What Congress *should* do is legislate that states may only charge sales taxes in the place where the transaction originates, which, in the case of Internet or catalog transactions, is where the store is located. So if a company is based in California, and California charges a 5% sales tax, everyone who orders from such company will be charged the 5% sales tax, irrespective of where they live. (And in the case of a brick-and-mortar store, everyone would get charged the sales tax, even if they asked for the product to be shipped to another state.) If this causes companies who sell a lot through the Internet or catalogs to relocate to states with no sales tax, then good for them. And if it results in states lowering their sales tax to be more competitive, then even better.

And before anyone objects to Congress legislating over state tax collections, what I’m proposing would be as basic a regulation of interstate commerce as you will ever find (it would be prohibiting states from laying taxes on companies located outside the state), and Article I, section 8, clause 3 of the Constitution ennumerates the regulation of commerce among the states among the express powers of Congress.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 7:04:12 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: KC Burke

Local government (at least around here) is primarily a mechanism to funnel money from tax payers to real estate developers. If those tax payers don’t go along, the local government threatens to withhold essential services like police and fire. Our town can find $250,000,000 to give to developers to build a sports arena, but can’t do anything about homeless people sleeping and defecating on the streets.


43 posted on 04/25/2013 7:06:26 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: sickoflibs

Time to short FedEx and UPS.


44 posted on 04/25/2013 7:06:39 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: AppyPappy; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

Anyone who supports increasing my taxes, whether that person is businessman or an otherwise conservative Senator or Governor, is a filthy pig who should be forced to chug motor oil till he vomits up a lung.

Governor Daugaard can go straight to hell and he can take his store owners with him. Store owners want to hire illegals to work for cheap and to tax internet sales to drive down competition. Screw them.

From the article: “That’s why the bill faces an uncertain fate in the House, where some Republicans regard it as a tax increase”

Regard it as. Hmm, I guess that depends on what the meaning of “increase” is. The author of that piece should be kicked in the gonads, if he has any.


45 posted on 04/25/2013 7:06:52 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: MortMan
Closing this "loophole" makes internet retailing prohibitively expensive, with time and effort for distinguishing the various sales tax requirements and transmission of the collected money an unpaid government service to be provided by the seller. It does not "level the playing field" - it tilts it drastically in the opposite direction.

This will destroy Ebay. I'm thinking of the little guy, using the online equivalent of the tag sale (government hates those too). Instead of unloading something no longer wanted and selling it to someone else for a buck or two, it'll end up at a charity shop or in the trash.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with "fairness". It is just one more source of other people's money for states unwilling to spend tax dollars wisely. It will allow them to keep the gravy train of public employees, EBT cards and make-work union projects going for just a bit longer.
46 posted on 04/25/2013 7:07:24 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Impy

I think you are missing the difference between raising taxes and collecting taxes.


47 posted on 04/25/2013 7:07:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy
RE :”What Congress *should* do is legislate that states may only charge sales taxes in the place where the transaction originates, which, in the case of Internet or catalog transactions, is where the store is located. So if a company is based in California, and California charges a 5% sales tax, everyone who orders from such company will be charged the 5% sales tax, irrespective of where they live”

I think that is the way it is now, they can do that now. But states dont want to do that because it hurts companies in their states vs others.

This bill allows them ‘in effect’ to raise taxes in other states, the businesses in other states. That is what they want.

48 posted on 04/25/2013 7:09:18 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., vowed to pass the bill this week, before senators leave for a scheduled vacation.

WHAT? They appear to only work 3 out of 4 weeks every month. How about we reduce their pay?

FOLKS, you are watching the suicide of the GOP right before your eyes. RIP.
49 posted on 04/25/2013 7:09:33 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: sickoflibs

Well now online retailers will have to bone up on the sales tax rates for every county in every state in the Union. If you have ever filled out a sales tax form just for your own state you will know what a nightmare it is.

Between the sales tax and the shipping charges the internet will be killed. Great!!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 04/25/2013 7:10:20 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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