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Boston manhunt 'skipped over the area where bombing suspect was found' (IN THE ZONE)
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Posted on 05/01/2013 6:14:48 AM PDT by RummyChick

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To: Dr. Sivana

oh yea, I misspelled it. Didn’t notice it until you posted that..I probably misspell it all the time.


51 posted on 05/01/2013 7:17:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
for those that kept telling the boat was outside the zone

NO IT WASN"T.

With all due respect, I was wathcing the video with my own eyes when one of the police spokespeople said straight up and directly that the boat was OUTSIDE of the perimeter. Now, he may have misspoke, but he most certainly said it.

52 posted on 05/01/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: piytar
I'm with you. "Choice" is what makes it all so scary. We get (re the media) censorship by choice, (via Obama executive powers) un-Constitutional government by choice; (via ginned-up crises) martial law by choice.
53 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Choice: the new diktat.)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Oh, I know that was the official story.

Now we hear it wasn’t true.


54 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:54 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Again a UK paper. Don’t these Brits know that reporting has changed to fiction...ala Jason Blair and Scott Templeton.

Hehe. Does anyone know who Scott Templeton is? Just google him. Didn’t he win a Pulitzer prize?


55 posted on 05/01/2013 7:37:46 AM PDT by RossA
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To: RummyChick

56 posted on 05/01/2013 7:41:17 AM PDT by maggief
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To: ConservativeStatement
Yup---Menino's nickname is "Mumbles"

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Prettyy soon they'll start whining about building a mosque close to the Boston Marathon finish line b/c Islam is all about "triumphalism"---thus the plans to build a mosque near 9/11. And you can bet they'll get lotsa help from Boston Mayor Menino, Secy of State Kerry, and Gov Deval Patrick (who obstructed govt dissemination of the Tsarnaev's welfare $$haul). Read on.

BOSTON MAYOR MENINO (hands down, the dumbest mayor in the US)

"Just call me Mayor Stupid."

WAIT FOR IT---yet another stupid remark from Menino, and I quote.....the Boston bomber brothers "acted alone."

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES Boston Mayor Menino (he was the stupid-sounding one at the presser held after the marathin bombings----in the wheelchair---injured in auto accident) should be rigorously scrutinized ---- possibly charged with aiding and abetting terror against Americans.

MENINO'S MOSQUE
The Phoenix | November 24, 2008 | David S. Bernstein / FR Posted by Prospero

EDITED/EXCERPT Most Boston locals concede that getting anything of substance accomplished in Boston is a Herculean task. Residents have all but embraced the principle of civic inaction with a perverse kind of local pride. In the end, "who you know" is probably more important than what you are trying to do.

STRONGARM MAYOR And there is no doubt that little is accomplished without the approval and support of the mayor, Thomas M. Menino.

So it is with the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center (ISBCC) near the intersection of Tremont Street and Martin Luther King Boulevard. Better known as the Roxbury mosque, the ISBCC has been in the works for more than 20 years. A few weeks ago it finally opened its doors for prayer — five years late, millions over budget, and still far from complete.

While the story of the building of the Roxbury mosque may not be worthy of a Hollywood epic, it does contain the stuff of a good television drama: (with Mayor Menino aiding and abetting) community intrigue, religious conflict, media controversy, foreign money, suspicions of extremist ties......and once-cocksure public officials, who (like Menino and then-Sen Kerry who once gave Islamics serial BJ's) have since retreated into a zone of silence.

Bombers worshipped at Islamic Society of Boston's mosque.---built w/ strongarm Menino's govt authority.

Kerry's "credentials," presented to Ohaha when the Secy of State job became available.

57 posted on 05/01/2013 7:42:21 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: RummyChick

Ok, so now they’re admitting it was inside the search area and that he’d abandoned the car just 400 yards away. They couldn’t be bothered to follow the blood drops four football fields away or bring in the dogs. But hey, what’s more important is we now all know what a basketball player does in bed.


58 posted on 05/01/2013 7:55:02 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Liz

Here’s some notes I’ve been jotting down.

Boston Bombers’ Timeline:

Oct. 21, 1986 – Tamerlan born in Kalmykia, Russia. Mama Zubeidat, does not dress Islamic.
1994 – Tsarvaev family fled to Kyrgystan at beginning of Chechen war. Aunt Maret Tsarvaev states Papa Anzor, a mechanic, was persecuted by Kyrgystan police for stealing cars so paid them bribes.
? – Family moves to Mama’s hometown of Makhachkala in Russian republic of Dagestan. It is a stronghold for terrorists.
March 2002 – Papa, Mama and Dzhokhar immigrate to US and seek political asylum. Tamerlan and sisters are left with Maret in Kyrgyzstan. Family gets on welfare.
July 19, 2003 – Maret brings Tamerlan, age 16, and his two younger sisters to the US.
2006 – Tamerlan’s amazon.com wish list shows radical leanings. Nadine Lopez Ascencao begins dating him and states he was a bully in high school.
June 2006 – Tameraln graduated from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school and made friends with international students.
Sept 2006 to 2008 – Tamerlan attends community college part time and receives Pell Grant and other government education aid.
2007 – Katherine Russell, of RI, arrested for shoplifting.
2008 – Mama and Tamerlan get more into ROP and mama starts wearing hijab. Reports are Mikhail “Misha” Allakhverdov, an Armenian-Ukrainian, was influential in radicalizing them. (Misha’s father is an Armenian Christian and his mother is an ethnic Ukrainian. The family had lived in Baku, Azerbaijan, but had left in the early 1990s for the United States to escape growing persecution of Armenian Christians there. He claims he hasn’t had contact with Tamerlan since he and his parents moved from Boston to RI in 2010).
July 19, 2008 - Tamerlan and Mama have been in America for the required 5 years so are eligible for US citizenship. Tamerlan gets legal permanent residency. At some point Mama gets US naturalization.
2009 - Tamerlan forcing Mama to wear hijabs, etc. and forces family members to quit drinking, smoking, partying in accordance of islam. Or mama became more Islamic on her own. Papa has concerns over Mama’s transformation.
2009 – Tamerlan and Uncle Ruslan, of Maryland, have falling out. Tamerlan calls Uncle an infidel. Tamerlan quits work and college. Uncle says Tamerlan getting radicalized at Cambridge mosque. Uncle Ruslan’s ex-wife is daughter of high ranking CIA officer Graham Fuller who had many years of dealings with middle east. Amazon.com shows author Fuller is living in Vancouver, Canada and many writings on ROP.
2009 – Katherine Russell converts to islam
April 2009 - Tamerlan’s boxing magazine article. Wants to represent US in Olympics and become naturalized US citizen although he doesn’t have any friends and doesn’t understand Americans. Boxing club president stated he was an under achiever because he did not dedicate himself to the proper training regimen.
July 28, 2009 – Tamerlan arrested for beating live in girlfriend, Nadine. He wanted her to convert, wear hijab and share his hatred of US.
2010 – Tamerlan’s domestic abuse case dismissed.
2010 – Boxing club owner meets Tamerlan who dressed like he was John Travolta Saturday Night Fever on the runway.
2010 - Golden Gloves of America changed rules to ban non-US citizens at Tournament of Champions level.
2010 - Russia begins to notice radical change in Tamerlan.
June 21, 2010 – Tamerlan and Katherine get marriage license and are married at a mosque that’s new to family. They have a daughter, Zahira.
? – Sister Ailina divorces Elmirza Khozhugov and moves back in with Mama.
2011 – Russia claims Mama texts relatives in Russia Tamerlan willing to die for Islam
2011 – Maret, of west of Toronto, Canada reports Tamerlan is praying five times daily. Maret hasn’t seen brothers since about 2008.
2011 – Parents divorce and Papa moves back to Russia
March 2011 - Russia intercepts calls between Mama and Tamerlan and possibly Dzhokhar and sends warning to FBI. Mama also on phone with someone in the Caucasus region of Russia who was/is on FBI list (Misha?)
April 2011 –Dzhokhar wins Greater Boston League Winter All-Star for wrestling.
April 2011 or June 2011 - FBI closes file on Tamerlan and Mama
June 2011 - Dzhokhar graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school. Many claim he’s a good kid. City of Cambridge gives him a $2500 scholarship.
July 1, 2011 – FBI put Tamerlan on TECS list to monitor his travels.
Sept 2011 - Russia sends second warning, this time to CIA. At some point, US officials meet with family at their home and Tamerlan is defiant to them.
Sept 2011 to Nov 2012 – Tamerlan and Katherine get welfare. She has dropped out of college and is working. He isn’t working or boxing.
Sept 2011 to June 2012 - Dzhokhar gets failing grades in college.
Sept 11, 2012 – Tamerlan’s best friend and two other Jewish men were murdered – throats slit, marijuana and money scattered over bodies. Suspicion is now on Tamerlan.
Oct 2011 - CIA puts Tamerlan and Mama on terrorist list.
Dec 2011 – Tamerlan attempted to go for a pilgrimage known as an Umrah to Mecca but that was the wrong time of year for such. Saudi Arabia denies Tamerlan access visa due to human intelligence developed independently from Russia in Yemen.
Jan 12, 2012 - Tamerlan goes to Russia. Papa claims he was with him the whole time but US officials claim papa wasn’t in Dagestan at that time. Before leaving Russia, he applies to replace his soon to expire passport from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan with a Russian one but returns to US before receiving it.
June 2012 - Mama arrested for shoplifting.
July 14, 2012 - William Plotnikov, a Russian born Canadian boxer, Islam convert and member of the terrorist organization Caucasus Emirate in Dagestan was one of several insurgents killed in a battle with Russian security forces. Russia speculates Tamerlan may have been involved with Plotnikov.
July 17, 2012 - Tamerlan lands in US from Russian trip.
2012 – After Tamerlan returns, Saudi Arabia Ministry of Interior wrote a letter to warn US DHS “at the highest level” and Britain of concerns of a terroristic attack on an American city and specifically names Tamerlan and that US should inspect his mail for bomb making compontents. The joint warning also named three Pakistanis of interest to Britain. DHS and Caitlin Hayden, a spokesperson for the president’s National Security Council, deny any such warning. DHS then comes clean admitting the letter exists but because of “turf wars” between agencies, DHS may not have notified the WH.
Aug 2012 – Tamerlan creates Youtube terrorist videos showing Imarat Kavkaz militant Islamic group from Caucasus and Abu Dujana, a jihadist leader.
Sept 5, 2012 – Tamerlan applies for US citizenship which is delayed because of closed FBI investigation.
Sept 11, 2012 - Dzhokhar gets US citizenship.
November 2012 - Mama skips out on shoplifting court date and goes to Russia.
Nov 2012 – Tamerlan rants in mosque.
Nov 2012 – Tamerlan rants at muslim shopkeeper who advertised Thanksgiving turkeys.
Jan 18, 2013 – Tamerlan rants again in mosque and is asked to leave.
Feb 6, 2013 – Tamerlan purchases fireworks.
April 15, 2013 – Boston Marathon bombings.
April 16, 2013 - Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal meets with Secretary of State John Kerry. Al-Faisal now states Yemen-based sources militants referred to Tamerlan dismissively as ‘the volunteer’, gung-ho, self motivated jihadi who wasn’t tasked by a larger group.
April 17, 2013 – Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal has an unscheduled meeting with Obama.


59 posted on 05/01/2013 7:56:28 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well the way they shot up the boat when he did not have a gun might be an indication as to if he was supposed to be arrested.


60 posted on 05/01/2013 7:56:49 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: onyx
"They searched this particular home earlier,(67 Franklin Street) and later on the owner spotted bloody clothes, and called 911, right?"

I heard this version for the first time yesterday. Up until then it was the husband that noticed a tear in the boat cover, got a ladder and climbed up to check, saw the body and called 911.

Which is the true story?

61 posted on 05/01/2013 7:57:24 AM PDT by codder too
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To: codder too

Heck, I don’t know.


62 posted on 05/01/2013 8:00:43 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: American in Israel
Picture of boat at link (ap ). Looks like mass open fire
63 posted on 05/01/2013 8:14:36 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: RummyChick

In World War II, a lot of thought went in to figuring out where enemy submarines were hidden. If you were near enough to hear them, you could attack them, but just based on luck or instinct was not enough.

But then a mathematician figured out a search strategy. If you knew *about* where they were, a particular search pattern over a much larger area would radically reduce their ability to escape before you found them.

Importantly, you didn’t start in the middle, where you knew *about* where they were, but on the periphery of the search area. And then you worked your way to the middle.

And most of the time they *couldn’t* get away. A lot of German submariners died because of this algorithm.

I say this because the DHS and other large police organizations probably use similar search schemes. Their emphasis is on capture, not to protect others who might be harmed in the meantime.


64 posted on 05/01/2013 8:23:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: American in Israel

If he wasn’t supposed to be arrested, then they would have just shot him when he got out of the boat.


65 posted on 05/01/2013 8:48:29 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Jack of all Trades

That was really just poor grammar. They meant that after a day-long police manhunt, a homeowner found him.


66 posted on 05/01/2013 9:25:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RummyChick

This news lady was also unarmed.

I got a great idea,lets hire police, not executioners!

67 posted on 05/01/2013 1:11:03 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Boogieman
Hard to do on prime time. Once he is under control it looks bad to put a couple of dozen bullets in him. They are obviously not trying to arrest him, they are into killing first, jury later. This is Banana Republic Police, a travesty of justice. But then, looking at the Justice Department it is rotten from the head to the tail.

Really makes me wonder about all the shooters that "kill themselves". I think my Bull Meter is going off these days.

68 posted on 05/01/2013 1:15:44 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

“They are obviously not trying to arrest him, they are into killing first, jury later. This is Banana Republic Police, a travesty of justice.”

Considering he killed a cop, a kid, other innocent people, and tried to shoot/blow up many others, I just can’t summon up any indignation that the cops took a “shoot first, ask questions later” attitude with this guy. For all they knew, he was going to run at them trying to set off a bomb just like his brother did. Shoot on sight, I say.


69 posted on 05/01/2013 1:31:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

That is all Obama asks is the right to shoot all citizens on sight as soon as he defines them at terrorists. Like the US Army is defining anybody of faith excepting in Homosexuality.

Sure you want to go down that street? I personally would rather see terrorists picked apart and made fools of on tv instead of drunken Hollywierds and quiet little psycopaths. Besides, might give the little Jihadi something to think about.

And, it would be justice, not the Department of Just-us.

I hate the idea of building obama a Billion dollar video game so he can shoot hellfires at citizens for fun while he is stoned at night.


70 posted on 05/01/2013 1:54:16 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: onyx
According to reports, the shed and the boat at this location had been searched earlier, but a woman noticed a door to it had been opened, saw blood and called police. She may have just ended the search for suspect #2 by her actions.

So how is a guy named David Henneberry taking the credit from this unnamed woman?

71 posted on 05/01/2013 7:05:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (RIP Chrissie Amphlett.)
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To: Boogieman
If he wasn’t supposed to be arrested, then they would have just shot him when he got out of the boat.

You have to respect the proprieties. They laid down a non-lethal barrage to provoke him into returning fire, which would justify killing him, unfortunatly he was unarmed, so all they could do was arrest him.

The best laid plans and all that.

72 posted on 05/01/2013 7:16:58 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (RIP Chrissie Amphlett.)
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To: smokingfrog

More than one. I’ve seen several videos to that effect.


73 posted on 05/01/2013 7:23:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Boogieman
For all they knew, he was going to run at them trying to set off a bomb just like his brother did.

That's one version of the story. At least one eye witness had a different version. I'd like to see the video but I bet the police camera malfunctioned.

74 posted on 05/01/2013 7:35:35 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: 0.E.O

“So he was found in a boat with no power, no heat or air, no food, and awash in his own waste. Was that a hideout or a Carnival cruise ship?”

Ha! That’s post of the day material right there! Bravo!


75 posted on 05/01/2013 7:48:17 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: ladyjane

It really doesn’t matter whether he was running at them trying to set off a bomb, or had just thrown a bomb and then ran at them shooting. It’s a distinction without a difference, when it comes to how law enforcement should handle the suspect.


76 posted on 05/02/2013 6:16:13 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Oztrich Boy

“They laid down a non-lethal barrage to provoke him into returning fire”

Nah, the only reason it was non-lethal was because the kid was lucky enough to hide behind the engine block.


77 posted on 05/02/2013 6:17:10 AM PDT by Boogieman
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