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The Pope and Godless Capitalism
Townhall.com ^ | May 3, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/03/2013 1:09:31 PM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/03/2013 1:09:31 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I guess the Pope would prefer that there be no jobs and the people starve.
2 posted on 05/03/2013 1:11:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You are ridiculous *rme*


3 posted on 05/03/2013 1:14:05 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

An unlimited flow of cheap crap. The new American system.


4 posted on 05/03/2013 1:19:42 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Kaslin

What do you know? The new Pope is a Communist.


5 posted on 05/03/2013 1:20:41 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I guess the Pope would prefer that there be no jobs and the people starve.

There are 100's of thousands in this world who would risk their lives to work in this factory for half as much.

6 posted on 05/03/2013 1:22:06 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

There is a kingdom, not of this world.


7 posted on 05/03/2013 1:22:09 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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Does anyone know how extensive Walmart operations were in this building?


8 posted on 05/03/2013 1:22:25 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: don-o
He is advocating for "social justice." Where do we hear that all the time?

As soon as the RCC began advocating for Obamacare, I knew what side is was on.

9 posted on 05/03/2013 1:23:57 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Kaslin

I wouldn’t expect the Pope necessarily to understand economics but I would have thought Buchanan knew better than this.


10 posted on 05/03/2013 1:25:43 PM PDT by DManA
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To: fwdude

And you are full of it. *rme*


11 posted on 05/03/2013 1:29:35 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
As I said on an earlier thread ...

In defense of the Pope, he was making this observation in the context of a factory building collapse that had killed hundreds of people. I suspect his comment was about the working conditions, not the wages.

In that case, it doesn't matter if they're getting paid $40/month or $40,000/month. The economic aspect of this story is secondary, isn't it?

12 posted on 05/03/2013 1:31:03 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Kaslin

note: the article is by Pat Buchanan, he only quotes the Pope, briefly, at the start.

What Pat seems to forget is that the elimination of tarriffs have as part of their root the combination of high prices and poor quality driven by Union Labor in the US. Americans wanted to buy Japanese cars and electronics (Pat only sticks to textiles and avoids having to point out that the issue is larger and more complex) not only because they were cheaper, but also better than their US made counterparts.


13 posted on 05/03/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by tanknetter
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More tariffs (taxes) is his solution? Just another old fool who thinks that more money for the government is the solution to everything.


14 posted on 05/03/2013 1:39:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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Perhaps the Pope should stick to spiritual matters rather than economic ones. The people in low wage countries are not prisoners, they are not starving. The wages they receive are livable in those locations. If they dont like the work they can try to get a different job. Furthermore, we are not responsible for building codes in haiti or India. Its not our fault some dimwit engineer inspected the building and declared it safe just before it collapsed.


15 posted on 05/03/2013 1:39:50 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What people don’t realize is that people voluntarily leave their farms and come to these factories because the jobs there are - better - than what they had at home.

Just as they did in England during the Industrial Revolution.

But living conditions in peasant villages in 1800 England or 2013 Bangladesh are “quaint,” and we can idealize it, and anyway they’re back in the boonies where we don’t have to look at them.

People said - exactly - the same thing about factories in Japan, S. Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. Now those countries have worked their way above the entry level and are producing, or beginning to produce, good jobs and lives for their citizens.

It seems conservatives can accept that individuals may have to work their way up, but have trouble recognizing that countries do too. Liberals can’t recognize this necessity at all.

What’s the alternative? Giving people or countries stuff. Which at best has not proven itself to be a desirable alternative.


16 posted on 05/03/2013 1:41:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: tanknetter

Exactly! Thanks for putting into words what I was groping for.


17 posted on 05/03/2013 1:50:34 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Kaslin

Capitalism extends naturally from God’s laws of private property...

do not steal and do not covet.


18 posted on 05/03/2013 1:54:58 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Christians, a fortiori the Pope — have the right and the duty to speak out on moral issues. Pope Francis is well within his competence in pointing out that a reductionist view of human life in which everything must give way to the free market is anti-human and irrational.

Free markets are a tool to produce useful information. When they become a religion or ideology they are out of control.


19 posted on 05/03/2013 2:00:37 PM PDT by Romulus
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I had read recently that the textile industry in Bangladesh receives special government advantages and it’s power is very influential there.

I would not look only at the wage issue in a developing country. Look at the corruption, and the ways that the rich people there are putting their thumb on the scales, not practicing real free market capitalism.


20 posted on 05/03/2013 2:01:36 PM PDT by married21
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