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Antibiotics could cure 40pc of chronic back pain patients
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Posted on 05/08/2013 5:59:24 PM PDT by djf

The radical findings follow years of debate about the cause of such discomfort and the best way to treat it.

One leading neurosurgeon said the finding was a “turning point” so important that the researchers behind it deserved a Nobel prize.

But infection experts cautioned against widespread long-term prescribing of antibiotics, which could increase drug resistance across the population, triggering a rise in superbugs.

Around five million people in Britain will suffer chronic back pain at some point in their lives, and the cause is often not clear.

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As the article says, we're talkin Nobel Prize winning stuff here!
1 posted on 05/08/2013 5:59:24 PM PDT by djf
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But we can’t have antibiotics anymore....gov. Studies say they are bad...and we can’t have pain pills either..gov. Studies say they are bad.

Obamacare plan......shut up,suffer in silence and then die..please...and hurry it up..we are going broke.


2 posted on 05/08/2013 6:02:09 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: djf

I was just thinking the other day about ulcers (no real reason). They used to be a big deal, right? No real cure? Then somebody figured out that antibiotics could fix ‘em.


3 posted on 05/08/2013 6:03:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: djf
My lower back problem is due to two degenerated discs at L4-5 - no antibiotic is going to put cushion back in there, darn it.
4 posted on 05/08/2013 6:04:49 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Some ulcers, but not others. Depends on the cause.


5 posted on 05/08/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: djf

My back pains went away about two weeks after I started eating low-carb.


6 posted on 05/08/2013 6:06:21 PM PDT by jdege
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To: djf
A lot of times lower back pain is actually kidney pain.

Keep a record of what you eat and see if there is a correlation of your back pain with particular foods.

I find ice cream will do it.

7 posted on 05/08/2013 6:08:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: djf
I think alot of chronic lower back pain is the result of diet.

It was for me, I had it for years, made some adjustments and the problem went away.

8 posted on 05/08/2013 6:09:16 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Marcella

So sorry.

But the article says 40pc, so that’s a better than one out of three chance that if you have chronic, debilitating back pain, this can help. Maybe even cure it!

A good friend of mine has this type of problem, he doesn’t remember ever doing anything that injured it in the first place. Most of the time he’s OK, but a couple times a month he’s pretty out of it.

Back pains are one of the worst. There’s literally almost no way you can move at all that doesn’t stress the back at least a little.


9 posted on 05/08/2013 6:10:19 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf
“So sorry”

My chair is a recliner and I keep it pushed back some so pressure is not on the lower back. I cannot sit on a hard surface very long or the pain is very bad and I can't walk the next day. It's like bone on bone and a pill isn't going to keep that from happening.

They have to be talking about a condition that is not degenerated discs.

10 posted on 05/08/2013 6:21:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: djf

What we’re talking here is insanity!

The Med Mafia is constantly looking for ways to shove more deadly drugs into very misled people.

Let Yehova deal with them in the most appropriatwe way.


11 posted on 05/08/2013 6:21:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: djf

One problem, it’s in the Telegraph, which means they just finished making it up.


12 posted on 05/08/2013 6:22:10 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Marcella

No, actually they are talking about an issue that degenerates disks. You may be in luck.


13 posted on 05/08/2013 6:23:23 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: babble-on

>> “One problem, it’s in the Telegraph, which means they just finished making it up.” <<

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That’s true for all of them.

They love to repeat nonsense from the Med Mafia.


14 posted on 05/08/2013 6:26:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: American in Israel

Correct. The inflammation caused by the bacteria and the toxins can inhibit or prevent the natural healing process from doing it’s job.


15 posted on 05/08/2013 6:27:28 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: American in Israel; Marcella

>> “You may be in luck.” <<

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Or, more likwly, she could have her immune system wiped out looking for a shot in the dark.


16 posted on 05/08/2013 6:28:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: penelopesire

I know a woman whose back started hurting in October 2011. She was in excrutiating pain and ended up in a wheelchair. She was hospitalised once and they gave her antibiotics and she actually got better but as soon as she was off of them she got worse again. She told the doctor and he said that he couldn’t in good conscience give her more because the tests showed no infection.

I couldn’t believe it! She went through a year of pain until they finally found that she had a staph infection in her spine, it had eaten away part of it and she is still rehabbing.

I would have gone to Mexico and gotten the antibiotics myself.


17 posted on 05/08/2013 6:37:53 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

Wow....excruciating truth right there of how dangerous group think science is to humanity.


18 posted on 05/08/2013 6:39:22 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: djf

My back is a train wreck, no antibiotic is going to make any difference.
Stretching, music, humor, and prayer all get remarkable results, though.
Second string remedies: back rubs and an occasional 500mg magnesium salicylate (formerly Doan’s Pills).


19 posted on 05/08/2013 6:56:26 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: djf

Well, if your back pain is caused by being bed-ridden because of some infection, then the antibiotic could resolve the infection, and clear up the back problem. Otherwise, it sounds like a big load of Bravo Sierra. They always seems to find a reason for us to take another pill.

My back has gotten better ever since I started taking steps to make it and the supporting muscles stronger and more limber. This requires all of 10-15 minutes of stretching before I go to bed. The Horror! If history is any guide, I will gradually fall out of the habit of stretching, push myself too hard running, and hurt my back again. They don’t have a pill to fix that.


20 posted on 05/08/2013 6:59:59 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: tiki; penelopesire

The doc is a quack!

A serious infection should show up in a low white count, and also in a severe temperature anomaly at the area of the infection.


21 posted on 05/08/2013 6:59:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; American in Israel; djf
Okay, everybody, since my body is being talked about:

Two degenerated disks - there's no cushion between L4 and L5. Best back specialists in Houston, Texas. X-rays, MRI, no cushion left - it's bone on bone. As I told djf, they said the best treatment is “don't gain weight”, “stay like you are”. I am not a heavy person but if I was, every extra pound means more trouble for a spine.

I have a special cushion with a cut out where the spine sits. If I'm going to be somewhere away from my house for a few hours, I take this cushion, it has a handle, plus I have another cushion just like that one that I sit on when I drive. I have to keep pressure off my spine.

If this discovery says there is bacteria in that area that won't let cushion regrow (which it doesn't anyway, it's there at birth and if you take it out, it's not coming back), and they have proved that, I'll take the antibiotic unless it kills the rest of my body.

My right knee has little to no cartilage left in it, either. I had surgery on that knee about six or seven years ago - arthritic crap was in there and he removed that. That stuff was floating around in there causing pain - I was using a cane. After the surgery, I don't use a cane and no one would know there is anything wrong with the knee. However, if I walk a long distance, it doesn't want to walk anymore and pain is back. For that reason, I have a handicap hanger in my car so I don't have to walk long distances to buildings.

Is bacteria keeping cartilage from regrowing in my knee? No, it doesn't regrow - once it's gone, it's gone.

When I traveled around Texas a number of years ago, giving 4 hr. training sessions in Texas Election Law to Republicans, I always had a cushioned stool. I would stand and instruct and I would sit on that stool, switching back and forth so I didn't stand too long to make the back hurt, and I didn't have to sit the whole time. No one ever knew why I had that stool.

In fact, the good friend lady who drove me around Texas didn't know why I had that stool until several months ago. I had never told her.

Now, if antibiotics can cure what's wrong, bring them on unless they are going to kill me.

Now, you know about my bones. The rest of me is fine. :o)

22 posted on 05/08/2013 7:01:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: cdcdawg

>> “They always seems to find a reason for us to take another pill.” <<

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You can take that one to the bank.


23 posted on 05/08/2013 7:01:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Marcella
My lower back problem is due to two degenerated discs at L4-5

You and me both. Degenerative discs, arthritis and some bone spurring. Don't even get me started on my knees.

24 posted on 05/08/2013 7:03:44 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: cdcdawg

Yes I had some bad discs (confirmed by MRI) but was able (via a rather brutal exercise program) to build up enough core strength to lower my pain level 95%.

It took several months, and it wasn’t fun, but I’m forever indebted to the phys therapists on this one.


25 posted on 05/08/2013 7:03:51 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Marcella

>> “No, it doesn’t regrow - once it’s gone, it’s gone.” <<

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Depends on why it’s gone.

Condroitin Sulphate promotes regrowth for about 2/3 of people.


26 posted on 05/08/2013 7:06:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: LibertarianLiz

If you have bone spurring going on, all of your light metals are out of balance. That is something to be concerned about because it also causes cataracts.

Get your calcium and magnesium up to par and it will stop.


27 posted on 05/08/2013 7:10:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: nascarnation

95% is pretty amazing!

When I do what they told me to do, I’m fine for months or even years at a time. I have to keep the hamstrings flexible, and the lower back muscles in shape. It isn’t fun, but the stretching before bedtime actually seems to improve my sleep.


28 posted on 05/08/2013 7:15:05 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: editor-surveyor
“Condroitin Sulphate promotes regrowth for about 2/3 of people.”

That's more of an oil to promote easier moving of bones at joints. Look what's in that - I would be dead - shell fish oil. Shell fish puts me in the hospital. See, I thought that might help my bone on bone situation move easier - then, I'm standing in the drug store and reading the ingredients and put the bottle back on the shelf - I didn't dare take that. That was a big disappointment. I have a permanent scar on my arm where the hospital did an iodine test. Man, did I fail that test. Before that was over, my skin rotted out where they put the iodine under the skin. That wound had to heal from the inside out and it is a white spot as it took all the pigment out of that spot.

No hospital can give me iodine in anything - it's on every medical chart I have. Shrimp, crab, clam, now that is poison to me. I still wish I could take that Condroitin Sulphate.

29 posted on 05/08/2013 7:19:07 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Condroitin sulfate is the primary ingredient in cartilage.

The best source of it is eating the cartilage from chicken joints. Don’t over-cook though.


30 posted on 05/08/2013 7:30:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

While I agree that long term use of antibiotics to reduce inflammation is quackery, inflammation is a real cause of chronic illness. Antibiotics can be a short-term crutch. Dentists clearly believe antibiotics are good for the heart, since anyone with a heart history usually has to pre-medicate with antibiotics before any cleaning.

I see myself as an example of using inflammation control to improve my health.

Ten years ago, I was a physical wreck. I weighted 220lbs, couldn’t walk a couple blocks without heart pain, joint pain and exhaustion. I changed my diet to what turned out to be a low-inflammatory diet (gluten-free, carb-controlled), lost 50 lbs, changed my exercise routine and made a commitment to continue this.

Now, I can run regularly without pain. I feel younger and healthier.

Honestly, I am in better shape than I was in high school. Granted, I was a fat tub of goo in high school.


31 posted on 05/08/2013 7:34:49 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: editor-surveyor

“The best source of it is eating the cartilage from chicken joints. Don’t over-cook though.”

You are wrong unless you can give me that info. from a scientist. You won’t find any chicken in these pills. Here’s what in those pills with the warning for shellfish.

four times daily, preferably with meals.

This product contains shellfish (crab, shrimp. Lobster, crayfish) ingredients.

Other Ingredients: Gelatin, Rice Powder.

WARNING: Do not consume product if you have an allergy to shellfish. Not intended for use by pregnant or nursing women. If you are taking any medications, consult your doctor before use.


32 posted on 05/08/2013 7:40:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MediaMole

No question that inflammation is a big evil doer, and spirochete bacteria in the mouth are a major issue in heart attacks, and in various forms of dementia.

Sodium bicarbonate is great at controlling oral bacteria.

Antibiotics are a disaster to your health. They destroy your gut for years, and restoration is difficult.


33 posted on 05/08/2013 7:42:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Marcella

Its the pills that are wrong.

Consuming the substance that you lack works. You obviously don’t lack the crap from the shellfish. My son-in-law severely injured his knee, and nothing his orthopedist gave him helped at all, but he healed in two weeks when I gave him a bottle of shark cartilage.

As the saying goes, you are what you eat.


34 posted on 05/08/2013 7:48:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Marcella

P.S. Gelatin is purely cartilage and hoof.


35 posted on 05/08/2013 7:50:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: djf

“......it could be ME... ankylosing spondylitis”


36 posted on 05/08/2013 7:51:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MediaMole; Swordmaker

BTW, Swordmaker (who happens to be a dentist) posted an article about the damage that oral spirochetes do. FReepmail him and he can probably give you a link to it.


37 posted on 05/08/2013 7:54:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: All

My back is a train-wreck, and I have terrible pain in my right-knee and right-heel.

Doing inversion therapy helps with my back as it takes the pressure off of the back, but for only so long.

I do have to take some strong pain meds a few times a month. Otherwise, I can’t move and can barely do so with pain meds.

And the back spasms that go along with it aren’t much fun either.


38 posted on 05/08/2013 8:15:53 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("Meg Lanker-Simons is a shining example of a liberal education.")
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To: penelopesire

“But we can’t have antibiotics anymore....gov. Studies say they are bad...and we can’t have pain pills either..gov. Studies say they are bad.

Obamacare plan......shut up,suffer in silence and then die..please...and hurry it up..we are going broke.”
*****************************

Obama has a very special pill for those folks and it will only take one, IMO.


39 posted on 05/08/2013 8:17:20 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: djf

Back pain can be due to a variety of sources; osteoarthritis, disc, muscular conditions are the most common. But this might help those with with disco-genic back pain (disc herniations, degeneration, annular tears etc). Instead of exposing patents to the systemic effects of oral/IV antibiotics, an intra-discal administration would probably be more effective with fewer adverse effects (such as C. diff). As with ulcers (H. Pylori), the most common pathogens for discs need to be identified.


40 posted on 05/08/2013 8:30:17 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Just out of curiosity, where did you go to medical school?


41 posted on 05/08/2013 8:32:31 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: tiki

She went through a year of pain until they finally found that she had a staph infection in her spine,

Silver Sol gets rid of staph infection. Nano Silver that does not interfere with medicine and is out of the body in 24 hours.


42 posted on 05/08/2013 8:49:26 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: stars & stripes forever

Now some fool is going to post that wacked out story about the man that turned gray... :o)


43 posted on 05/08/2013 8:53:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

wacked out story about the man that turned gray...

You don’t turn any colors with this stuff. Google Silver Sol uses. It treats many ailments.


44 posted on 05/08/2013 8:57:10 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: Marcella
I have that same cushion from Relax The Back store with the cut out sections so your tailbone is not compressed. Also it is a wedge shape which is just the perfect angle for my hip joints to be comfortable. I actually have 2 cushions one for my car and one for my chair at the dinner table. Best things I ever bought.
45 posted on 05/08/2013 9:03:08 PM PDT by Ditter
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“I actually have 2 cushions one for my car and one for my chair at the dinner table. Best things I ever bought.”

I had one for my car and one for my chair. We also had two for my husband. He is gone now, so I have two more, use one at dining table and one on my desk chair. I can’t do without them.


46 posted on 05/08/2013 9:06:34 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

I had the same problem with L4-5 and found a wonderful doctor here in Springfield, Mo. He did a minimally invasive procedure and put cadaver bone and my bone marrow in the discs. He then put a metal frame around them to hold that and it will fuse together.

Because of the location of the discs I don’t have restricted movement. I have a scar an inch and a half long, was in surgery a little over an hour. Spent two days in the hospital and in two weeks I was walking a mile a day. I am not young either...76. Best thing I ever did!! No pain and it is wonderful after suffering for years.


47 posted on 05/08/2013 9:14:12 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: TXLady

That must have been a wonderful thing for you. I’m 80.


48 posted on 05/08/2013 9:17:12 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: jdege
My back pains went away about two weeks after I started eating low-carb.

Mine eased up considerably right after the ex left some years ago. The headaches persisted for a few years after that...

49 posted on 05/09/2013 4:06:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: stars & stripes forever

I’m well aware of the power of silver.

So are the shillsters here that attempt whatever form of misdirection they can to prevent the education of the masses.


50 posted on 05/09/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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