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To: rarestia
the will of the people

The will of the people is a democracy. Our founders went to great lengths to ensure that we would never become a democracy.

The word Democracy comes from two Greek words, Demos meaning People and Kratein meaning to Rule. Democracy therefore means the rule of the people, majority rule.

Much of what you posted is correct but if there were not problems, we would not be having this discourse. The mission is not to discover what is wrong but to concentrate on what would cause improvement. A constitutional government would began the needed improvement and prove more of a benefit than any short-term correction.

There is but one place we can all seek refuge and that is the Constitution. The Constitution is the nation’s salvation.

The Democrat and Republican Political Parties are merely two cheeks of the same ass. What I am suggesting is that a Democrat President and a Democrat Congress acting within the constraints the Constitution is tolerable.

21 posted on 05/09/2013 12:41:01 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows; rarestia
Consent of the people is necessary in a republic. The Framers did indeed go out of their way to ensure we would never become a democracy. In only eleven years, they learned from the experience of the independent States, that majoritarian/democratic abuse of liberty was just a big a threat as an out of control King.

The 17th Amendment destroyed vertical separation of powers, along with the States' check on the wild whims of the people's House. The Senate of the States was replaced with an additional body totally dependent on the people, only worse. Elected Senators have six year terms, which our Framers would regard as an outrage, dangerous to liberty, AND serve a duplicative, unnecessary purpose.

Restoration of our liberties is impossible until the 17th is repealed.

28 posted on 05/09/2013 1:21:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: MosesKnows

Listen, the fact is we are already a social democracy. There is no way that were going to turn back hundred years of social change in order to invent some sort of constitutional republic that we were founded on.

I understand what the founders intended. I also understand that we are so far from what the founders intended that there’s really no way to turn back without completely scraping the platform of all problems and starting from scratch. Unfortunately, that’s going to require revolution in a big way.

The problem isn’t, as you propose, that the politicians are acting in accordance with the Constitution. The problem is that they are acting outside of the Constitution.


33 posted on 05/09/2013 3:03:01 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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