Posted on 05/10/2013 3:33:32 AM PDT by lowbridge
As a general rule, corporations should be able to build plants where they want, whether it’s in America or elsewhere. Moreover, if they choose to go overseas, we should be asking, “Why is that?” Are our corporate taxes too high? Do we have too many regulations? Is there something else that we can do as a nation to be more business-friendly, to keep building plants here in America, so that we can employ more people and rake in more taxes?
However, it’s a little different with a company like General Motors.
Taxpayers lost more than 10 billion bailing out GM because Obama thinks it’s fine for his corporate allies to embrace capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down. Now, GM’s taking some of that money that it pilfered from us and it’s building a plant in China with it.
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Answer my question or we are done conversing.
I am so sick of this one big world bs. That mentality along with the Bush One World Order crowd has screwed this country. We don’t need to be one happy family. F the rest of the world. I am sick of giving money away in the form of gift, technology, and ideas. If you want to run a multi-country conglomeration then you do it without my tax dollars, period.
We should have never allowed foreign nationals to work or go to school in this country without some sort of stop gap to keep our intellectual property and assets here.
If these companies weren’t worried about growth at all costs and opening “new” markets and focusing on making business run here efficiently they we would not need to go offshore.
Here are the facts:
Manufacturing (in thousands ): Total employed: Unionized: Percent union: 13,599 1,424 10.5
The point you are trying to make isn't worthy of discussion without addressing what I said: Their power is far beyond what they actually do with their share of ouput.
First of all, you are NOT being pro American. America is an idea, not just a piece of real estate, and protecting business practices and unions and over whelming government is NOT BEING PRO AMERICAN. I TOTALLY REJECT AND RESENT YOUR BULLSHIT PREMISE. Stuff that is anti liberty that happens to take place on American soil IS NOT PRO AMERICAN.
I also resent the implication that being pro trade is being anti American. I have called you economically ignorant, and I stand by that, but I have never questioned your patriotism and you can just fk yourself if you really question mine. It is very very very telling that the anti traders blame EVERY problem on trade and call all pro traders as Anti American. That is proof of a weak intellectual argument.
CV can’t stay on topic, because she (he?) is emotionally tied to notions that logic will not impact. CV also thinks America is a piece of real estate, not an idea. It is a piece of real estate to be sure, but the more sacred part of America is the idea. When tyranny and central planning rules on the real estate, it is worthless. That’s a concept simply beyond the grasp of certain IQ levels.
There is no “one big happy family”. There are a near infinite number of competitors.
There can be no return to pristine precolumbian days nor to pre telex days not to pre 747 days nor pre fax days nor pre e mail/www days.
There is no return to some fanciful imagined pre global trade condition
However like GloBULL warming hoax, the Free Trade mantra is a religion. And you are one of the Free Republic high priest or priestesses?
This is so true. Trade is a fact of reality. Economics would be easier to figure without it, but unless the Muzzies get their way and bomb us all back in time several hundred years, globalization is here, period. That’s what the anti traders refuse to understand.
And yet Bert, I think they know it. I think that’s why they are so frothed at the mouth, and why they immediately try and claim the ‘pro America’ label and are so quick to apply the “Chinese masters” label, etc, to those who oppose them. It’s also why they blame every single econ problem on free trade, as if A: free trade has ever existed and B: as if that’s the only factor.
They know they are trying to run up a down escalator....they know reality is against them - they just can’t access enough econ IQ to understand that econs always work out better for more people when there is maximum liberty.
No, yours is the blind religion. You are the ones who go off the rails questioning patriotism and claiming Chinese masters and blaming every single problem on trade.
Pro traders never do that. We claim you are ignorant, and we stand by it, as would many more great conservative economists than you can shake a stick at, but we never claim anything is the magic bullet or the poison pill, and we never question your patriotsim.
You are the ones actling like classic Kool Aid cultists, including the very liberal ploy of PROJECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wipe the spittle off your face, take your Xanax and calm down.
Your post seems silly.
I won’t discount it offhand because I do not know enough about your positions.
Let me just state.
Either you are for American businesses. Or you are against them.
And I mean American businesses. In America.
If you are for American businesses who manufacture in China, you are for China.
China is one of the most closed systems on Earth.
Other than selling stuff, what exchange is there?
You cannot immigrate there, unless you are Chinese.
China is in effect behind an iron curtain.
Still.
There is but we don’t have the stones for it.
But here is the rub, a few people on Free Republic throw up a couple opposition posts and bam; the war is on. You'd think at best these posts would invoke little or no response. Jeez, they start flame wars, why is that? Because the tiny opposition is attacking your RELIGION. Deep down the Free Traders know something is just not right..
First, I am not China obsessed. We do not vote in China. If China wants to compete as one big entity, and therefore ruin any individual liberty in their country, there’s not a DAMNED THING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. We just can’t. Reality sucks sometimes, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s reality.
Second, I reject your narrow defintion of “American” as being totally tied to the piece of dirt a business sits on. I’m sorry, that’s bullshit. Certainly it is part of the definition, but only part. By your definition, Solyndra is a great company. That does not pass the laugh test.
Third, creative destruction is both creative, and destructive. If you really believe in freedom and liberty, then you understand that the invisible hand of the market rewards millions you can’t pinpoint even as it temporarily hurts hundreds you can pinpoint. Yes, I realize that it takes an expansive mind, like that of Adam Smith, or Ronald Reagan, or Milton Friedman, or Thomas Sowell, or Lakeshark, or Bert, to see that. But it’s true.
Fourth, anti traders refuse to acknowledge that high tariffs are nothing more than taxation, and nothing more than central planning. In other words, applied liberalism. It was applied liberalism that drove jobs away, but applying more liberalism to “solve it” is what the Dem Party has been about for 100 years. It’s just that you happen to like this particular liberal central planning tenet because you can’t expand the mind to the bigger picture.
Why don’t you Google Milton Friedman’s “The Pencil” and get back to me.
you are projecting again, like the good little liberal you are.
American industry is not being “raped” by outsiders, it is being masturbated by internal forces. Wake up.
Sorry.
“Trade” with countries which do not allow immigration, and which do not allow Americans true ownership, is not trade.
We have been scammed.
Bring back American businesses. To America.
The issue of trade is mistakenly thought of as some great process of nations or global behemoths. It is not.
Trade, the conducting of business on an international scale, is conducted by individuals that want to make money. Making money is fun. Making money is the force driving trade. Making money makes competition both fun and worthwhile.
The phrase International Scale was used to distinguish those tens of thousands of companies that conduct trade with only a few customers. It is not necessary to be global to benefit from selling customers beyond your own borders. The scope of American Trade by small and very small companies is below the radar but is immense.
The number of jobs depending on such trade is enormous. First there is the producer, then there are the money types, the bankers that handle the exchange, then the forwarders that handle the transport, then the transporters that do the moving, then the communicators including, mail,fed ex, DHL. Then there are various people that are involved in regulating and legality and such. It included the dredge workers that keep the harbors and rivers operable. It includes the port workers and air port freight handlers and on and on and on.
To always try to analyze on a macro scale is to miss the reality of the literally thousands of small parts that collectively add up to a total transaction.
Who cares? I will never buy another GM product as long as I live.
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