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California Lead Ammunition Ban (AB 711) Goes to Assembly Floor
NRA Institute for Legislative Action ^ | May 11, 2013 | NRA-ILA

Posted on 05/11/2013 8:53:55 AM PDT by Redcloak

California Lead Ammunition Ban (AB 711) Goes to Assembly Floor

Posted on May 11, 2013

Contact your state Assemblyman IMMEDIATELY

Earlier this week, the California Assembly Appropriations Committee voted 11 to 5 to approve a proposed statewide lead ammunition ban for all hunting, Assembly Bill 711.  AB 711 would make California the first state in the nation to prohibit the use of all lead ammunition for hunting.  This bill now goes to the state Assembly floor where it is expected to be brought up for a vote soon.  The NRA urges all hunters, recreational shooters and gun owners to actively oppose AB 711.  We strongly urge you to contact members of the state Assembly.  Please forward this alert to your family, friends, fellow sportsmen and gun owners throughout California and urge them to do the same.  Contact information for all state Assemblymen can be found here.

Be sure to check out HuntForTruth.org’s shocking new video opposing AB 711 and its recent hard-hitting rebuttal to the bill sponsor’s alleged “facts” sheet in support of the bill.  This video and the rebuttal reveal the truth regarding lead ammunition, and expose the misinformation being spread by the ammunition ban proponents in their latest attack on hunters that is being disguised as a campaign to “get the lead out.”

Please act now!  Visit the HuntForTruth.org website and Facebook page and “like” us, “share us with your friends, and anyone else you think may be interested in helping to fight this serious assault on hunting.  You can also follow HuntforTruth.org on YouTube.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; guncontrol; lead; secondamendment
This isn't just a concern for Californians. Stupid ideas that start here spread east like a cancer. If this isn't stopped in California, idiot legislators in other States will try the same thing. In this case, it's a vain attempt to save an already extinct bird. I'm sure that your local idiots can come up with an excuse as to why this is needed in your State. Help us to stop it here now!
1 posted on 05/11/2013 8:53:55 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Redcloak

Has anyone mentioned to these idiots that lead is a natural occurring mineral in nature?

What next? Are they going to ban all surface lead deposits in the United States?


2 posted on 05/11/2013 8:56:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: Redcloak

Where are they finding ANY ammo to ban?

I certainly can’t find any—and neither can anyone else I know.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 8:56:43 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: basil

It’s out there. Too bad you would have to take out a 2nd on your house to buy any. Or maybe a title loan against your truck.


4 posted on 05/11/2013 8:58:27 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Redcloak

The people of California need to get a proposition on the ballot that bans all politicians there from possessing money. Money causes politicians to become dishonest and corrupt. This corruption eventually hurts the people of California by costing them billions each year in taxes. Just another good idea.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 8:59:02 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: Redcloak

So now all that will be available will be armor piercing?


6 posted on 05/11/2013 8:59:31 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Redcloak

If they amended it to say “Any public Servant, Public official, Public Employee found in possession of ANY Lead Based Ammunition SHALL be Guilty of a Felony punishable by not less than 20 years in State Prison” Then I would support it.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 9:00:19 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Redcloak

We need this law to pass.
Something so ridiculous that SCOTUS is forced to back up its own recent opinions on the 2A.
The sooner the better.


8 posted on 05/11/2013 9:01:44 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: rktman

I haven’t been able to find any in my area for a long time—at any price.

We (Second Amendment Sisters) have a ladies learn to shoot event coming up soon in central TX, and we are searching for several calibers—namely 9’s and 38’s. So far, we’re not finding any.


9 posted on 05/11/2013 9:02:36 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Redcloak

Didn’t see that one coming (rolls eyes).

I guess I’ll have to resort to tungsten and depleted uraniun rounds now. Be careful what you ask for, because the alternatives are far worse than the original problem. Besides, I doubt all of the illegals in Kalifornia will become enviromentally sensitive, and turn in their car batteries and lead rounds.


10 posted on 05/11/2013 9:03:26 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Redcloak

Consider it Passed.

There is nothing that can be done to stop it. My Reps are Republican, and they are the Minority by a long shot.

The Rats will move on to the next “crisis” once they get this one mandated.


11 posted on 05/11/2013 9:10:04 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Clinton Benghazi (4), Ted Kennedy (1), my Gun Collection (0)...)
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To: basil

SAS. Outstanding. I remember when they first started and even sent some money to help them. Got a great sticker on my tool box. Gotta love Girls With Guns. If I had any spare ammo I’d send it along.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 9:13:47 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Paladin2
So now all that will be available will be armor piercing?

And a special on depleted uranium...

13 posted on 05/11/2013 9:16:35 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kickass Conservative

It doesn’t need to actually lose to get knocked down in the Assembly. The “Rule of 41” requires 41 yes votes for anything to pass. They can have a vote that goes 40-0 and the bill would still fail. We just need enough rural Democrats to go and take a bathroom break at the right moment to stop this. Conversely, we also need to make sure that some idiot Republican doesn’t succomb to an urge to be “bipartisan”. The ‘pubies all need to be encouraged to vote no or take a powder when the vote is taken.


14 posted on 05/11/2013 9:17:15 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak
This'll work just fine, instead:


15 posted on 05/11/2013 9:24:53 AM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: basil

Here’s a short list of ammo suppliers to go thru. Both calibers can be had, but prices are not cheap:

http://www.ableammo.com/
http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/
http://www.hornady.com/
http://www.midwayusa.com/
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/
http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/.50_Beowulf-Ammunition.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/
http://www.armslist.com/
http://www.black-hills.com/
http://shop.ammocanmagnets.com/50-cal-size-Black-Font_c11.htm
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php
http://www.mytargets.com/
http://www.gunbot.net/
http://www.impactguns.com/nemo-omen-300-win-match-rifle-omen-match.aspx
http://www.jgsales.com/index.php
http://www.kygunco.com/
http://www.luckygunner.com/
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XCanM2A1&name=New+Mil.+Spec.+M2A1+.50cal+Ammo+Cans&groupid=614
http://www.nosler.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.thevillagearms.com/index.html
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/default.asp
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.corbon.com/
http://www.federalpremium.com/default.aspx
http://www.natchezss.com/


16 posted on 05/11/2013 9:31:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The natural, surface lead isn't the problem in this case. To the extent that lead is affecting these birds, it's all "legacy" lead from long-banned sources like lead paint and leaded gas. There's even some that comes from hydraulic mining tailings from the 1800s.

The study that started all of this was Church et al. They claimed that isotopic analysis proved that lead in condors in the wild was coming from ammunition. Their data showed a shift in the isotopic ratios from one narrow range (found in the meat used to feed the birds at zoo facilities) to another narrow range. They claimed that this 2nd narrow range of ratios matched the ratios they found in lead ammo. The problem is that they sampled only a handful of the ammo brands that are used by California hunters. In reality, lead isotope ratios from ammo cover a broad range, not a narrow one. Were the lead coming from ammo, the isotopic ratios they measured from birds in the wild would have covered a broad range. The fact that they found a narrow one contradicts their hypothesis. So in fact, Church proved that the lead isn't coming from ammo!

The real threat to these birds was the loss of the continent's Pleistocene megafauna. They're designed to eat things like dead mammouths. Once the North American megafauna species were gone, the condors started to decline. The process has reached the point where their extinction is impossible to stop. There isn't enough genetic diversity left in the remaining population for it to last.

17 posted on 05/11/2013 9:35:55 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Paladin2
So now all that will be available will be armor piercing?

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Yes, the "non-toxic" alternatives would be considered armor piercing under Federal and California law. So of course, they would have to be banned too. They're also more toxic to wildlife and would have to be banned on that account as well. Mash here for more info on the toxicity of "non-toxic" ammo.

18 posted on 05/11/2013 9:43:47 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

For hunting?

How about target and self defense?


19 posted on 05/11/2013 9:46:06 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Redcloak

California is proud of their diversity. I’m sure there’s enough variety to feed to vultures.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 9:49:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (http://www.theycometoamerica.com/)
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To: Scrambler Bob

An excellent question. Supposedly, the bill exempts ammo used for target shooting or self defense. But existing DFG regulations make that fuzzy during the hunting season. Right now, if you carry a pistol for self-defense during the deer season in Kondor Kountry, and you have lead ammo in that gun, Mr. Ranger will cite you for having lead ammo; this despite the fact that you didn’t use that pistol or its ammo to ventilate Bambi. So this bill would affect the right of hunters Statewide to defend themselves from 2- and 4-legged threats with tried-and-true lead ammo.


21 posted on 05/11/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

Some time ago, someone warned that the “green movement” was cover for a larger effort to establish across-the-board control over everything.

Nah. Couldn’t happen.


22 posted on 05/11/2013 9:56:19 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Redcloak

[[The NRA urges all hunters, recreational shooters and gun owners to actively oppose AB 711.]]

What the herll good will that do? Even IF the peopel prevail, and the bill is dropped- it will just be put through again by soem judge AGAINST the people’s will just liek prop 8 tiem and itme again-


23 posted on 05/11/2013 10:03:34 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Redcloak

I guess the only other “soft” metal we will be able to use for hunting bullets that will expand so it will kill a deer before runs 500 yards away and dies would be gold. I’m sure the idiots in Sacramento would allow that. So what if it costs us $500.00 a round.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Redcloak

I wonder if anyone in CA would be motivated to hunt condor by this bill. The logic, of course, is if there are no condors, then there is no need for the bill.


25 posted on 05/11/2013 10:15:50 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Coyotes, Golden Eagles, and DNA are already doing a number on them.


26 posted on 05/11/2013 10:24:14 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

How does this affect the military, the police etc.? Does it extend offshore and up in the air?


27 posted on 05/11/2013 10:35:03 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Redcloak

Thanks for the informative response. Interesting stuff in there. I appreciate it.


28 posted on 05/11/2013 10:44:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Unlike New York, California’s legislators are smart enough not to write laws that disarm the police. ;-)


29 posted on 05/11/2013 11:28:37 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Giving lead poisoning to a home invader is considered cruel and unusual punishment in CA.


30 posted on 05/11/2013 12:40:38 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Redcloak
And to think, back in 1982 the voters of California turned down Prop 15 which would have banned handguns in Kali. Since that day, the politicans have been working overtime trying to get around the will of the people. Can't ban handguns? Maybe we can ban a type of handgun, like semi-auto. They will still have revolvers, for now.

Maybe we can ban magazines for the handguns if they hold too many rounds.

Maybe we can ban what the bullets are made of.

OK, lets go away from handguns and ban semi-auto rifles!

A never ending struggle to keep your Second Amendment rights!


31 posted on 05/11/2013 12:57:51 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Doomonyou

Gold —

Some years ago one of the shootin’ mags cast up a couple of silver bullies, like the Lone Ranger.

Didn’t work so well, too hard as I recall.


32 posted on 05/11/2013 1:13:58 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Redcloak

Excellent summary !


33 posted on 05/11/2013 2:38:44 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: DoughtyOne

Making it easy for the gangbangers


34 posted on 05/11/2013 4:52:56 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: ronnie raygun

Exactly...


35 posted on 05/11/2013 5:04:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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