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Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
PoliceOne.com ^ | 4/17/13 | Charles Remsberg

Posted on 05/13/2013 7:09:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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Answer: Because he knows how long it will take the cops to respond even if it is one of their own and who knows how many savages will be attacking at once.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 7:47:54 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: LibWhacker

Facsinating that he put away his .45 and exclusively carries 9mm. I’m guessing this decision is primarily based upon ammo volume and the ability to pop in 33 rd mags.


22 posted on 05/13/2013 7:49:48 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: MrB

“I was impressed with the “13 rounds through three holes””

Unless police cruisers don’t have safety glass that shatters into tiny pieces, I don’t see how this could be possible to determine.


23 posted on 05/13/2013 7:49:55 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: LibWhacker

So.... people who live near Chicago (especially police) need to carry much more ammo than people who live elsewhere.

If the cops need 145 rounds, then ordinary citizens need at least one gun and 45 rounds.


24 posted on 05/13/2013 7:51:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Slambat
Did you read the whole article?

The officer in this shootout was A master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit...

Additionally, he did hit the guy 14 times with three head shots. I think the point was with many multiple body shots of .45 the criminal was still standing and shooting!

25 posted on 05/13/2013 7:54:05 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Slambat

“Because he couldn’t hit his a$$ with both hands.”

Have you ever been in a small arms fight?


26 posted on 05/13/2013 7:56:37 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“Unless police cruisers don’t have safety glass that shatters into tiny pieces, I don’t see how this could be possible to determine.”

Windshield glass has a plastic layer in the middle that keeps it from shattering all over and it stays intact. Side window glass is tempered to break into tiny chunks.


27 posted on 05/13/2013 8:01:18 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Obadiah
I’m guessing this decision is primarily based upon ammo volume and the ability to pop in 33 rd mags.

Could be his decision to go from center of mass hits to head shots, and he believes he's more accurate with the nine.

No arguing the additional rounds a double-stack can carry, and his attitude now seems to be a 9mm hollow point to the head beats a .45 hollow point to the chest.

Maybe I should reconsider my CHL loadout of 17 .45 DRT rounds... but a cop is much more likely to get into a shootout than I am.

28 posted on 05/13/2013 8:05:50 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: mad_as_he$$
Didn't you read the article?

Pick the round you can shoot best and practice shooting at the suspect’s head.”

He probably practiced with seeing how many rounds he could fire in five seconds and how many hit the target. If you have arthritis or a weak grip that's why a .22 can be an effective defensive round. Ten hits to the head in five seconds and your attacker is done for.

29 posted on 05/13/2013 8:16:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (http://www.theycometoamerica.com/)
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To: mad_as_he$$
"So he went to 9mm after not getting the job done in short order with a 45ACP? "

I don't understand that either.

30 posted on 05/13/2013 8:16:32 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: LibWhacker

2.) Practice head shots. “When you fire multiple ‘lethal’ rounds into an attacker and he keeps going, you don’t have the luxury of waiting 20 or 40 more seconds for him to die while he can still shoot at you. Don’t waste time arguing the relative merits of various calibers. No handgun rounds have reliable stopping power with body shots. Pick the round you can shoot best and practice shooting at the suspect’s head.”

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Best advice in the article - “stopping power” in a handgun is a myth, unless you’re taking head shots.


31 posted on 05/13/2013 8:18:39 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: mad_as_he$$
So he went to 9mm after not getting the job done in short order with a 45ACP? Got it.

You must not have read the last sentence.
"Don’t waste time arguing the relative merits of various calibers. No handgun rounds have reliable stopping power with body shots. Pick the round you can shoot best and practice shooting at the suspect’s head.”

At one point Gramins heard a doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!”

He should have gotten up and throat punched that stupid doctor.

32 posted on 05/13/2013 8:23:30 AM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: grobdriver
Let's just say that I like the beefy .45 round. Your line of thinking was pretty much what caused me to wonder about this guy's decision. But I think (hope) in the end that any personal weapon is a last resort defensive weapon, whereas a LEO’s weapon could generally be considered offensive in nature and thus more likely to require a higher volume of ammunition.
33 posted on 05/13/2013 8:24:56 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Slambat

How many firefights you been in?


34 posted on 05/13/2013 8:26:51 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: LibWhacker

In my LEO days I carried 4 extra mags on the belt (4 speed loaders before we went semi auto), back up pistol between door and seat. My AR was in the back seat while on duty. I had 6 30 rounders for it. The shotgun was in the gun lock.


35 posted on 05/13/2013 8:29:39 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Slambat

Did you read the article? He hit the suspect 17 times while taking fire.


36 posted on 05/13/2013 8:31:56 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ParityErr

We also don’t know why he switched. Most LEOs don’t get to pick either their model or caliber. It is selected by the department.


37 posted on 05/13/2013 8:33:54 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

No, however even the most detailed studies show the 45 ACP is the big boy on the block.


38 posted on 05/13/2013 8:52:27 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: B4Ranch

Yea I read the whole article. In this situation I believe you and your 22 would of been in real trouble. Shooting through a windshield with a 22 is problamatic at best. If you can hit a guy five times in the head at 15 yards when he is laying down, in a few seconds, you are one hell of a gunslinger.


39 posted on 05/13/2013 8:57:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: carriage_hill
“The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.”

"Time enough for countin' after the dealin's done."

40 posted on 05/13/2013 9:01:55 AM PDT by super7man
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