I've always wondered why their appearance changes when they carry 145 rounds on them.
Posted on 05/13/2013 7:09:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker
Read the damn article. He he the guy in the HEART and he kept coming. Clearly the man was a good enough shot. It was not 14 out of 33. It was 14 BEFORE the last three ‘bursts’ that killed the guy. That means it was something like 14 out of 27. Honestly, shooting in a hurry while ducking and dodging that is a pretty good percentage. and 6 of those were ‘killing’ shots. The cop hit him multiple times in critical locations with every magazine. How much more accuracy do you want? If a heart shot did not him, heck yeah carry more ammo.
IN CHICAGO BETWEEN MARCH 5 AND JULY 22, 1970, 1,115 GUN ATTACKS RESULTING IN 156 FATALITIES WERE REPORTED TO THE POLICE. SHOTGUN ATTACKS (12 PERCENT OF ALL ATTACKS) AND LARGE-CALIBER RIFLE ATTACKS (LESS THAN 1 PERCENT OF ATTACKS) WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE STUDY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT BE EASILY COMPARED WITH OTHER TYPES OF FIREARMS. DATA ON FATAL ROBBERIES WERE ALSO EXCLUDED FROM THE MAIN STUDY (19 PERCENT OF ALL FATALITIES) BECAUSE THE INFORMATION NEEDED WAS NOT AVAILABLE FROM THE PERIOD COVERED BY THE REST OF THE STUDY.
THIS LEFT A SAMPLE OF 932 CASES, THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THEM ATTACKS MADE WITH HANDGUNS. AN ANALYSIS OF PARTICULAR TYPES OF FIREARM ATTACKS INDICATED THAT THE SAMPLE OF ATTACKS FOR WHICH CALIBER IS KNOWN IS AN ACCEPTABLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF ALL FIREARM ATTACKS BY CALIBER.
BECAUSE A GREATER NUMBER OF LARGE-CALIBER HANDGUN ATTACKS RESULT IN MULTIPLE WOUNDS THAN DO SMALL-CALIBER GUNS, IT WAS NECESSARY TO PRESENT, FOR ALL ATTACKS IN WHICH FIREARM CALIBER WAS IDENTIFIED, THE PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE-WOUND ATTACKS TO EACH OF THREE REGIONS OF THE BODY THAT RESULT IN DEATH, AND A SIMILAR COMPARISON FOR ATTACKS THAT INVOLVE MULTIPLE WOUNDS.
THREE INFLUENCES ON THE FATALITY RATE FROM FIREARM ATTACKS ARE NOTED:
(1) INDEPENDENT OF CALIBER AND NUMBER OF WOUNDS, ATTACKS THAT RESULT IN WOUNDS TO THE HEAD AND CHEST ARE THREE TIMES AS DEADLY AS GUN ATTACKS THAT RESULT IN WOUNDS ONLY TO THE ABDOMEN, NECK, OR BACK;
(2) THE DEATH RATE FOR MULTIPLE-WOUND ATTACKS WHERE THE MOST SERIOUS WOUND WAS TO THE HEAD OR CHEST IS HIGHER THAN THE RATE FOR SINGLE WOUNDS TO THE HEAD OR CHEST, AND CLEARLY IS MUCH HIGHER THAN IF THE OFFENDER HAD STOPPED AFTER HIS FIRST WOUND, WHICH MAY HAVE HIT A LESS DANGEROUS AREA;
(3) ATTACKS FROM .38 CALIBER GUNS ARE MORE THAN TWICE AS DEADLY AS .22 CALIBER ATTACKS, AND AMONG THE LESS COMMONLY USED WEAPONS, .25 AND .32 CALIBER FIREARMS ARE MORE LIKELY TO KILL THAN .22'S AND LESS LIKELY TO KILL THAN .38 CALIBER ATTACKS.
IMPLICATIONS OF THESE FINDINGS FOR GUN CONTROL AND CRIMINAL LAW ARE DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF RAISING QUESTIONS TO BE CONSIDERED RATHER THAN CLEAR ANSWERS THAT WOULD DETERMINE POLICY. TABLES OF DATA AND NOTES ARE INCLUDED. (RCB)
Personally, I'm not convinced that it is always appropriate to separate by number of hits, since as you point out it is a whole lot easier to get a second (or tenth) hit with a .22 than with a big bore handgun. The decision on how to analyze the data depends on what questions you are asking. It is no surprise that head and chest shots are more deadly than limb and gut shots, multiple hits are more deadly than single hits to the same region, and larger caliber hits are more deadly than smaller caliber. The question is whether a homeowner defending against a surprise home invasion can stop the threat, permanently, more effectively with perhaps only one .45 shot or with the option of multiple .22 shots. The answer to that question is not clear for a variety of reasons, but I have no criticism of the .22. Best of all, it looks a whole lot less menacing after the fact if you shot the thug with a plinker than with a cannon, even if you turned him into Swiss cheese with the plinker.
A perp in the dark is not likely to be able to differentiate a .22 SR22 Ruger from a .45 ACP Taurus OSS DS. The flasha nd bang are ‘fungible’. It is only the inertial effect to the perp which will get qualified. If a shot in the dark hits or not can have two immediate effects, one of which is the perp runs away because they’re being shot at. The other is the perp returns fire if armed. How often does #2 happen? ... Not often.
You left out option 3: The perp drops - permanently. I'd prefer that criminals always get a head shot with a .50 Barrett, but the M107 is hard to carry concealed and a little awkward to aim when awoken from a deep sleep, not to mention the hour delay before you can call 9-1-1 and hear what they are saying if you fire one without hearing protection. If they're going to survive though, it's nice to have holes punched by the comparatively cheap .22 to minimize medical expenses.
Crap!
That’s what concerns many. Some strapping dude tanked up on whatever drug de jour is going around. Can’t drop the thug. But eight 5.56 rounds in the chest? Woo boy.
All reasons I switch from a 40 cal beside to a Glock 222 in 17 configuration with two round extension and a thritytwo rounder int eh nightstand. I shoot better with a 9mm and I don’t expect to be calm when the shtf, so my hits are going to go down. I also carry a 9mm daily, with two fifteen round mags in reserve for the Bersa PC Pro.
My top choice for home defense is a 12 gauge pump, with a red dot sight. It’s a nice compromise: over-penetration is not a big issue with the right load, missing is not an issue, and the perp is going to regret his choice of homes to attack. I’m in Maryland, so concealed carry is not an option for me, but I like your selection - the key is to hit early, hit often, and be ready for a second, third, or fourth perp.
Whoa. Hope you brought a change of underwear that day. I know I would have needed it!
One “nice” aspect of the .22 round is that it often has a bullet path that resembles a country road rather than an interstate. Hence the doctor has to cut the patient from his waist to his shoulder in order to stop all the arterial wounds.
I have seen wounds where the bullet changes direction by 45 to 90 degrees after bouncing off a rib after passing through a lung. Or goes into the lower gut, hits the pelvis and goes up into the lung. The patients ends up with a 18 inch scar. Half the time they’ll die on the table from all the incisions.
Since my mobility is soemwhat restricted now, I have tools throughout the house in case someone decides to enter uninvited while I'm not in bed yet.
Word of caution to those who live alone, regardless of your age: it is not at all difficult for a smart perp to know when you're bathing, and they are the least liekly to be heard breaking in; keep the proper tools in the bathroom as well as beside the bed, holstered, not in plain view.
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Indeed - common sense, really...
“Was that a 30 rd sustained burst?”
No, our rifles don’t do that, just bursts. But one right after the other.
What I get for retiring from the IDF, then volunteering for what was essentially police/customs duty.
Give them seven.
No more special treatment for the police. If we have to be disarmed, they can be also.
He took out a 9mm, handed it to me, and told me to shoot a glass bottle at about 10 feet. I had that thing dancing all over, never broke it.
Then it took his 1911, and shattered a new bottle with one shot.
“Surface area beats speed”. Never forgot that.
http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/thumb2_handgungel-comparison-176.jpg
There aren’t huge differences in main carry calibers as far as performance. The .357 magnum, specifically the 125 grain jhp was always highly rated. Curious as to the other magnums 41, 44 or 10mm full power loads if there was enough data.
Bottom line keeping pouring out rounds and shoot perps into the ground.
I still see Chicago PD carrying a variety of handguns, including .357 mag revolvers quite often.
Personal rule if leaving my abode I don’t have less than 75 rounds on person and in vehicle. Not to mention blades. This could be simple 3 block drive to video store. But it’s usually near 150 rds with the happy sticks in various bag configurations I’ll have in vehicle. Sometimes a Kel Tec Sub2000 folding carbine which is compatible to my Glock mags is also a factor for longer trips. Making it a habit in my bags to have first aid as well. Not a typical medical kit bought in stores/online, but you can make a home made trauma kit which is cheaper and better for bullet or stab wounds: Celox gauze, nitrile rubber gloves, gauze, Israeli battlefield dressing, tourniquet, whistle. Still have to buy chest seal, nasopharyngeal airway, needle decompression kit.
I've always wondered why their appearance changes when they carry 145 rounds on them.
Yes, carrying 3 mags isn’t bad, two in double mag pouch at 8 o’clock position and a horizontal mag at 11 o’clock position on belt for instance..but then the cop is carrying 2 33 rounders on vest which will get weighty.. Where’s the Glock 26? Quite heavy to have as an ankle holster, unless a bigger framed individual. So possible Chiropractic issues in the future.
I’ve seen police carry in addition to sidearm, another sidearm stuffed in belt, a taser, a small fixed folding knife, asp baton, pepper spray, cuffs, etc on tac belt. Problem is, can one retain all these tools if you’re in a scuffle? Nope. Sometimes less is more.
No kidding
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