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The Stingers of Benghazi: Was the U.S. engaged in gun-running?
National Review ^ | 05/24/2013 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 05/24/2013 2:47:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/24/2013 2:47:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Story creeping into the mainstream???


2 posted on 05/24/2013 2:49:37 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: SeekAndFind

And how will we ever know? Congressional hearings?


3 posted on 05/24/2013 2:49:38 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind
The bad guys killed us with our own weapons. Make sure you delay the FBI getting there. They might find this out.

Or...

Benghazi was a secret CIA prison. You know, the kind Obama DETESTS!! 37 evacuees, some prisoners? 'Prisoners' would be a good motive for the attack. Delayed FBI arrival to keep them from finding this out; Lotsa gray bars!

4 posted on 05/24/2013 2:52:45 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: ilovesarah2012

When planes quit dropping out of the sky, or start avoiding the region completely, whichever comes first.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 2:55:21 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: TigersEye; penelopesire; ConservativeMan55; AllAmericanGirl44; maggief; onyx

Ping, things we knew in October , does anyone still have a copy of ambassador Stevens itinerary ? It lists the shipping company he met with. I did not save it and it is no longer available on line. I might be able to get it to the reporter.

I have the name somewhere.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 2:57:09 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: SeekAndFind

What could be more important than GIVING al Qaeda
THOUSANDS of MANPADs?

What?

After all, Obama-the-Undocumented has DEEMED
the Enemy is the Internet, Jews and Christians.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 3:02:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

National Review is one of the pillars of conservative media — which means, unfortunately, that it’s not mainstream. Gonna have to give this one a little time.


8 posted on 05/24/2013 3:09:53 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: SeekAndFind
Posted in thread

Five myths about Benghazi

9 posted on 05/24/2013 3:14:13 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stingers? Not SA-7s or SA-16s? That would really be bad juju, since Stingers are US-made and the top of the line. If we gave those things to the nad guys, this is nothing less than treason.


10 posted on 05/24/2013 3:15:01 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Possibly this newest whistle blower has the answer.
This story was on the Drudge Report and it is being reported all over the web. According to retired 4 Star Admiral James Lyons, Benghazi was going to be used to stage a false kidnapping of Ambassador J. Christian Stevens using a friendly group of Libyan rebels. This event was to be staged to enhance Obama’s approval before the elections. It was Obama’s Kabuki theater for the zero info voters. Those planned to abduct Stevens, were going to ask for for Omar Abdel Rahman an international prisoner, known as the Blind Sheik, in exchange for the ambassador. Obama was to stage a successful negotiation, get Ambassador Stevens released from the “kidnapers” and have the Blind Sheik released in exchange to the “hostage takers.”

According to Admiral Lyons, this effort fell apart when the CIA Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty refused a stand down order and went in to the embassy on their own to protect the ambassador using force. Their action killed many of the rebels. The rebels were not prepared for any kind of armed response to their phony kidnapping effort. They were enraged at this action and thought they were betrayed by Obama. They decided to stage a massive attack on the embassy in retaliation. The carnage that ensued was a result. If this report is true, Obama is toast.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 3:17:57 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind
After seven months (since mid-October last), what we all knew on FR finally hits the MSM, sort of.
12 posted on 05/24/2013 3:18:11 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Southack

Missile Q ping.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 3:18:36 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SeekAndFind; MestaMachine

Benghazi Ping Alert!

We knew this was coming since way back in the Fall.

It’s starting to hit the fan!


14 posted on 05/24/2013 3:37:33 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: SeekAndFind

Answers the question:

Why didn’t 0bama send Air Cover?


15 posted on 05/24/2013 3:38:19 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: jonrick46

I think this theory has been discredited.


16 posted on 05/24/2013 3:41:29 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: SeekAndFind
Is this the fourth shoe that was to drop?
17 posted on 05/24/2013 3:44:26 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is the POTUS a Muzzie Bro. enabler?


18 posted on 05/24/2013 3:44:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed...

Better stock up on popcorn.

19 posted on 05/24/2013 3:46:32 PM PDT by McGruff (I can't speak to the law here. The law is irrelevant,)
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To: jonrick46

Then there was the whole Turkish Ambassador visit just prior to the festivities.


20 posted on 05/24/2013 3:47:32 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind
“To Turkey? . . . Nobody’s ever raised that with me,” Clinton responded.

She's parsing words. She wasn't asked directly about whether the arms were being directed TO the Syrian Al Qaeda (rebels) or THROUGH Turkey. She narrowly denied TO Turkey.

21 posted on 05/24/2013 3:47:53 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

The fact is that the Benghazi station was NOT a consulate, but an CIA station. Maybe that is why the Republicans are going easy on this.


22 posted on 05/24/2013 3:48:51 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SeekAndFind
"During this time, a large number of weapons, including anti-aircraft missiles, were leaving Libya and arriving in Turkey en route to Syrian rebels — and the CIA had personnel in both countries assigned to monitor and assist the arms shipments."
23 posted on 05/24/2013 3:50:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: jonrick46
Story sounds plausible.
24 posted on 05/24/2013 3:50:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: boxlunch

How, where, who, why? Details, please.


25 posted on 05/24/2013 3:51:06 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: Nachum

The list, at your discretion.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 3:55:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
YOU BETCHA!!!

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


27 posted on 05/24/2013 4:00:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: SeekAndFind

Hillary Clinton, when asked about her and obama/soetoro`s possible TREASON.

“Senator, you’ll have to direct that question to the agency that ran the annex. I do not know.”

There it is, I DON`T KNOW .Same line Holder used over 50 times.


28 posted on 05/24/2013 4:02:34 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Uncle Miltie

They werem’t just going to Syria. They were going to hamas in Gaza through the mb in Egypt..


29 posted on 05/24/2013 4:02:49 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I can already hear the lies and cover ups when commercial airplanes start falling out of the sky. These morons made the skies much more dangerous for citizens and the military.


30 posted on 05/24/2013 4:04:15 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: SeekAndFind

Legs at last


31 posted on 05/24/2013 4:09:13 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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sfl


32 posted on 05/24/2013 4:12:01 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (No more usurpers.)
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To: peeps36

Anyone want to bet if there were warrants applied for this week of Roger L. Simon’s, his parents, children, inlaws friends and neighbors emails, phone records, tax records, credit card activities?


33 posted on 05/24/2013 4:12:34 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: VRWCarea51

BTTT. News of the Week, in a packed week.

NRO: Don’t publish on a Friday afternoon before a long weekend.


34 posted on 05/24/2013 4:25:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: SeekAndFind
The total load of 21,000 MANPADS included mostly SA-7's --old and very vulnerable to such simple countermeasures as flares. BELOW:

Also with the SA-7 featured above the target must be silhouetted against bare sky for the seeker to "see" the target. So if I'm a hilltop rebel trying to fire on a helicopter approaching from low in a valley using the SA-7 Grail, then forget it, the missile sees nothing, since there is a mountain behind him.

But After Reagan's air attack against Khadaffi (much later it turned out his daughter was not killed in the raid, as he'd claimed for many years), Khadaffi imported newer Soviet AA missiles, also, like the SA-24 Grinch, below, and THIS is the real problem:

It flies at Mach 2, reaches up above 10,000 feet, and the aircraft needn't be seen against empty sky for targeting. Also the Grinch needn't score a physical hit for detonation --it also comes equipped with proximity fusing, so if senses an impending bypass, it will still trigger. Also if there is remaining fuel, this, too, will be blown in the explosion as a kicker. Even with jamming and flares, about one in four Grinches will score a hit, generally.

What type of success might it get against commercial aircraft in their current form...? The Obama Admin does NOT want to talk about this at all.

35 posted on 05/24/2013 4:38:16 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SeekAndFind

The CIA wouldn’t give anti-aircraft missiles to the opposition in Libya, so the State Department did? Who was in charge of the State Department then? Hillary Clinton. Can any department of the federal government hand out weapons to foreigners? For example, can the Federal Wildlife Service hand out submarines to somebody in Finland? Is there adult supervision in this Obama administration? Why did Hillary Clinton feel the need to override the CIA in Libya? Is she that arrogant? Or is she that greedy? Follow the money. She’s receiving at least $14,000,000 from a book publisher to write another book? Bulls**t! She’s getting paid off! She has more blood on her hands than that piece of s**t. In London.


36 posted on 05/24/2013 5:25:13 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Gun running” is an incorrect term. Gun running implies the sale of weapons for personal profit. This was not what was happening in Libya. The money from gun running is peanuts to the Clintons, Obama and Soros. I think we need a new phrase. Let’s call it “GOVERNMENT CHANGE FOR PERSONAL PROFIT”. The Democrats yammered about Iran/Contra for years, but everybody knew that was about defeating the communists in our back yard. This...this killing in the Middle East for profit? How do the Democrats justify that? Our President and Secretary of State can be bought? It’s OK for the Democrats to use American taxpayer paid Soldiers and weapons in Libya to overthrow the Libyan government for a payday for the Democrats? Now, do you see why that are fighting so hard to keep the focus off Libya? It can kill the Democrat party.


37 posted on 05/24/2013 5:36:48 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: peeps36

I can already hear the lies and cover ups when commercial airplanes start falling out of the sky.


Passengers can’t be silenced. The only way to be sure if jihadis are succeeding in their aviation blackmail is if flights start staying at 30K - EVERYBODY can’t cruise at 30K’ - feet and above or routes are changed radically.


38 posted on 05/24/2013 5:42:22 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SeekAndFind
Earlier this week, Roger L. Simon of PJ Media broke a story with shocking revelations, contending that slain U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens was in Benghazi on September 11 to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups that had been originally provided to them by the U.S. State Department.

If this is true, and the the Obama administration provided Stinger missiles (or weapons of any kind) to Al-Qaeda, this would be the equivalent of FDR providing weapons to the Nazis during WW II. How will the Dems spin that one?

39 posted on 05/24/2013 5:54:52 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: SeekAndFind; P-Marlowe; Raptor; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; bigheadfred; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; ...
Roger Simon "broke" last week what was broken and broadcast by Fox's Jennifer Griffin about a year ago, and was discussed on FR at different times. Here is one sample of that discussion:

To: P-Marlowe; Raptor; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; bigheadfred; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
They keep asking why the US gov't is trying to keep this quiet.

The 20,000 missing MANPADS: It was on Free Republic at about the time these men were killed on about 9/12.

Jennifer Griffin reported again yesterday what was discussed on FR over a month ago. Obama allowed the Muslim Brotherhood and their al quaeda pals access to 20,000 manpads, one man anti-aircraft, shoulder-fired missiles with capabilities of defeating current commerical counter-measures. I know the article is here on Free Republic because I participated in the discussion....and I think Lancey did, and I think you did too. (See below)

The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQLj6krm

20,000 missing manpads can bring commercial air traffic to a halt, just about world wide.

THIS is what Obama is trying to hide. It is plausible to assume THIS is what led to NO rescue for these men, and why they were WANTED dead.

A media report on Obama's 20,000 missing anti-aircraft missiles has the ability to bring down Obama.

68 posted on 10/27/2012 9:05:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)


To: xzins
A media report on Obama's 20,000 missing anti-aircraft missiles has the ability to bring down Obama.

The Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms will do everything in their power to help the African communist spike the story.

100 posted on 10/27/2012 11:17:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard

To: xzins

And by the way, don’t be the slightest bit surprised if “Hurricane Sandy” is little more than a drenching rainstorm. It amazes me how, last week, the storm was headed safely out to sea, toward Greenland. I saw that weather forecast with my own two eyeballs. Then the story changed.

101 posted on 10/27/2012 11:20:57 AM PDT by Lancey Howard

To: xzins

My gut assessment completely agrees with your post here. The 20,000 or thereabouts MANPADS given to “Libyan rebels” during the “arab spring” in Libya is almost certainly the dead body in this mystery.

I recall that during this arming of Libyan rebels many of us here at FR were quite angry and cautioning about the foolhardiness of that action since it was clear that AlQ was clearly part of the “rebels”. I am getting more confident that we were accurate, unfortunately.

Again, this is something that the administration does not dare to breath a word about.

117 posted on 10/27/2012 2:01:58 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))

To: xzins

Jeepers. Thank you so much for your insights, dear brother in Christ!

129 posted on 10/27/2012 8:41:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl


40 posted on 05/24/2013 6:37:38 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Uncle Miltie; jonrick46

Sorry - didn’t mean to be cryptic. Jonrick46 mentioned in his post earlier on this thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3023516/posts?page=11#11 about the theory that possibly there was a plan for a fake kidnapping and then it was to work out as a trade to release the “Blind Sheik”.

That theory has been discussed here on FR, but it seems from what I’ve been reading that the gun running theory described here in this article is much more plausible and there is a lot more evidence supporting it. If you are on Mesta’s ping list you’ve probably read a lot of the details of that.


41 posted on 05/24/2013 7:07:18 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: gov_bean_ counter

This is National Review. Not yet breaking through to the MSM. When it does, they’ll replace it as if it was some big revelation, the Obama admin will treat it as if everyone knew this was the case all along.

Kabuki theater will be on full display.


42 posted on 05/24/2013 7:07:59 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind

Impeachment File on Benghazi Coward B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of the sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


43 posted on 05/24/2013 7:14:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: boxlunch

I think the theory adds to the total picture. Why would there be a reduction in security at the consulate? The reduction was part of the plan to “kidnap” Stevens. There is the running of weapons to these rebels and the effort to get those weapons back. The way to enhance the weapons retrieval effort was the offer to have the “Blind Sheik” set free. Obama was to appear as the hero just in time for the elections. At the same time, he would give the radical Islams what they have long wanted, Omar Abdel Rahman. So, I give two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18ZiUdupp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jrEc7bTy4E


44 posted on 05/24/2013 7:23:15 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: boxlunch

I think both the weapons retrieval operations and the trade for Omar Abdel Rahman using the fake kidnapping of Stevens as part of the same equation.

Stevens’ mission in Benghazi was to buy back Stinger missiles (MANPADS) from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department to overthrow the Gaddafi regime “on the cheap.” In Libya there were 21,000 MANPADS lost. These are weapons that are very dangerous in the hands of these al-Qaida-led rebels. These are the advanced portable antiaircraft and antitank heat-seeking, shoulder-fired missiles. These weapons were being moved in through Turkey by US CIA operatives. Such weapons would have no problem taking down a passenger aircraft anyplace any time. Just the arming of al-Qaida-led rebels with these weapons is treason enough in my book.

It my theory that to sweeten the deal, they were going to throw in Omar Abdel Rahman to enhance the weapons buy-back program. These weapons were then going to the al-Qaida-led rebels in Syria. This complex script involved the fake kidnapping, the boost to Obama’s falling poll ratings and a phony blame of the internet for a poor video about Mo. It was a house of cards and I am hoping the whole thing falls down to get Zer0 out of office.


45 posted on 05/24/2013 7:53:57 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: xzins

Amazing how the 20,000 missing MANIPADS story was so quickly pushed away from the news cycles...


46 posted on 05/24/2013 8:49:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: jonrick46
This story was on the Drudge Report and it is being reported all over the web.

Pardon my skepticism.

On Drudge? I look at Drudge several times a day and don't recall this. "All over the web." Really? Got some credible links to back this up?

47 posted on 05/25/2013 6:37:40 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Note that in much of the coverage of Libya, “Stinger” has turned into a catch-all term for any shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missile.

Anyone who calls Russian MANPADS "Stingers" is a MORON.

Anyone who repeats it without correction is an even BIGGER MORON. This is a really embarrasing article from National REview.

48 posted on 05/25/2013 7:00:29 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: txhurl
I can already hear the lies and cover ups when commercial airplanes start falling out of the sky

A dirty little secret is that MANPADS aren't particularly effective against commercial airliners; the warheads are too small. The majority of commercial airliners that have been hit with them have survived (and they have mostly been smaller aircraft in Africa.)

You mostly take out one engine and commercial airliners are designed to survive the loss of one engine.

Actually they're not particularly effective against anything other than helicopters.

49 posted on 05/25/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: jonrick46

Wouldn’t surprise me as Obama used the IRS to influence the election. But to corroborate this story would be nigh impossible, unless whistleblowers start to come forth with records and evidence.


50 posted on 05/25/2013 7:13:38 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (The true Obama persona is emerging, the one from his first Presidential debate.)
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