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Why Having More Christians Won't Necessarily Change Our Culture
Charisma News ^ | 5/27/2013 | Os Hillman

Posted on 05/28/2013 6:58:35 AM PDT by xzins

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To: stuartcr; Romulus
I have a very good, very Catholic friend with whom I discuss our religions regularly. I see many opportunities for Catholics and Christians to work together. I listen to a Catholic radio station every day.

It just angers me when I come to a forum that I have been coming to for a decade and see some Catholic bigot out of the blue saying that my religion is defective and no one challenges him.

It takes all of the Grace God has given me not to respond in kind.

61 posted on 05/28/2013 9:15:52 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: Romulus

We need Americans who are Christian, and who vote as Christians, in a democracy, the Christians could still control the nation if they were Christian enough to vote as such.

The left is empowered to control the culture and laws by the vote, that is why Mexican and Latin immigration is so profoundly important to the left.

The Christian denominations that vote anti-Christian, are the foundation of the problem.


62 posted on 05/28/2013 9:17:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: nitzy

It angers and amuses me, when I come to a forum that I have been coming to for over a decade and see people arguing about God, period.


63 posted on 05/28/2013 9:20:15 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: ansel12

How would you correct this?


64 posted on 05/28/2013 9:20:49 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: nitzy

Christian denominations that predictably vote for Obama and Al Gore and Clinton to advance the left’s homosexual/abortion agenda, are going to come under question.

What is surprising is when one of those denomination’s voting is so fiercely supported and defended among conservative political activists.


65 posted on 05/28/2013 9:25:10 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: stuartcr

LOL, you and your silly posts, it is like having a kid in the back seat.

Make your own statements, tell us your views.


66 posted on 05/28/2013 9:29:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ, and thank you for the probing question!

Would you agree that in the past God has raised up leaders to guide movements of the Spirit, or would you say that movements of the Spirit has resulted in Leaders being raised up?

I would say that God raised up leaders and separately, that the Spirit moves according to His will which may, or may not, comport with the will of the leaders He raised.

Moses' will aligned with God's - mostly but for failure in a few areas he was not allowed into the promised land. Ditto for David who experienced a great deal of trouble when he went against God's will - and the people suffered for it.

I cannot think of an example where John the Baptist's will did not align with God's. Same for the Apostle John and Paul (after being called in power) - though we can see Peter's struggle.

I truly believe Billy Graham was called and submitted to God's will his whole life long. But who knows what struggles he might have had and held close to his chest?

And I am reminded of leaders who were raised according to God's will but themselves were pagan or anti His chosen people, e.g. Pharaoh, Cyrus, Nebuchadnezzar, Pontius Pilate. But they had an important part to play.

Likewise in the present Obama administration I perceive a spiritually perilous wrong-headedness concerning Israel, i.e. empowering her enemies and not standing by her side. And yet all that Israel truly needs is God Himself. Nevertheless, this administration puts the US on the wrong side of God's blessing/curse judgment concerning Israel.

That, and the present administrations empowering of agendas which stand in opposition to the will of God vis-à-vis abortion, atheism and homosexual behavior certainly does not indicate a leader whose will comports with God's.

And yet it may well be God's will to raise a leader "just so" in fulfillment of prophecy perhaps - or perhaps to polarize the Spiritual waters forcing people to choose whether to believe Him or not.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. - Rev 22:11

Either way, Maranatha, Jesus!.

67 posted on 05/28/2013 9:32:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ansel12; Romulus
The Christian denominations that vote anti-Christian, are the foundation of the problem.


68 posted on 05/28/2013 9:35:43 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: dfwgator
I think history is a pendulum, eventually the libertines will take it too far, then the pendulum will shift back the other way......rinse.....lather.....repeat.

Endless mass immigration and replacement by not only new voters, but voters different from the established voters and citizens that are involved in a generations long pendulum, means that there are no pendulums.

America is never going to be what it used to be at any time during it's first 200 years, ever. We will always be something totally new and unlike America, just as we already are.

Already the democrats and the left don't even bother to pretend that they are still connected to 1960 America and before or that they need to address their base in terms and language of America, and tradition, and patriotism.

69 posted on 05/28/2013 9:37:54 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

I would, but I’m not bothered by it.

I take it, your response means you have no actual answer, just words.


70 posted on 05/28/2013 9:38:49 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: nitzy

What a strange thing to post, those elections are over, why not post the vote results?

I guess you know how the Catholic denomination votes, and maybe the Southern Baptists?


71 posted on 05/28/2013 9:42:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: stuartcr
"unless all Christians are of the exact same mindset?"

Name a group that has! Not even the Islamists have the "exact same mindset." If anything, the "mindset" of Christians is in more agreement than any other group because its based on the Bible. Sure there is disagreement in some interpretations, but the disagreements are on minutia. Most Bible knowing Christians - Catholics included - do not have disagreements on the major parts of the Bible. If they do, name the major disagreement of the Biblical text; I will gladly show you the non-Biblical and the Biblical difference.

72 posted on 05/28/2013 9:42:57 AM PDT by celmak
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To: stuartcr

LOL, someday you may start posting something relevant to the threads that you jump on.


73 posted on 05/28/2013 9:45:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: nitzy
I would bet that the ones that vote anti-Christian have anti-Biblical philosophies too.
74 posted on 05/28/2013 9:45:47 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

Yes, I know, it’s not possible. That’s the way God made us.


75 posted on 05/28/2013 9:46:52 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: ansel12

I actually was on this thread before you.

Someday, you may actually answer some hard questions instead of just trying to rudely joke your way out of things.


76 posted on 05/28/2013 9:48:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: xzins

Cal Thomas must have made more money after he left the Falwell organization. Watch for the $$


77 posted on 05/28/2013 9:49:53 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: ansel12
Because it was the first graph I found and it displayed the message I wanted to convey.

(as of 2011)

Evangelicals associate 70-24 as Republicans (I would assume many Southern Baptist churches fall into this category)

Catholics associate 43-48 as Democrats

It was a similar ratio in 2008. I don't see what is strange about it. You said that the denominations which vote anti-Christian are the problem and I agree.

78 posted on 05/28/2013 9:54:20 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: nitzy

I meant 48-43 Democrat...


79 posted on 05/28/2013 10:00:00 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: stuartcr
Someday, you may actually answer some hard questions instead of just trying to rudely joke your way out of things.

No one said anything about when you jumped on the thread, and people aren't on FR to answer your endless questions, we aren't your daddy.

""What would be the draw in an infusion of Christian cultural ideas that would make money?""

""You have to have the desire to change the culture don’t you? What would do that?""

""How does one go about making believers in the 21st century? Especially on a large basis.""

""How would that be presented to people that do not believe what you say is the truth? How would that make money?""

""You have to watch it on the tv though?""

""How are you going to show people that the underlying philosophy behind these liberal arguments is just flawed?""

""Why do you think the time is fast approaching and what are the lines that are to be drawn?""

""How would you correct this?""

So far you have 8 posts of these, it is like having a kid in the back seat pestering the adults with endless questions because he can't participate in the actual discussion by stating his own views and presenting his own opinions and positions and conclusions.

80 posted on 05/28/2013 10:08:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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