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1 posted on 05/28/2013 6:58:35 AM PDT by xzins
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Those at the tops of these mountains are expressing their liberal worldview through these cultural spheres. The more godly the change agent at the top, the more righteous the culture will be. The more ungodly, the more liberal we will become. It doesn’t matter if the majority of the culture is made up of Christians. It only matters who has the greatest influence over that cultural mountain.

I can't disagree strongly enough. The only way this would "work" is if the author is talking about a autocratic monarchy imposing their cultural will onto a powerless majority.

2 posted on 05/28/2013 7:07:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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Within the space of a month the 'networks' have cancelled or shelved virtually all of their shows featuring one or more homosexual characters.

Turns out gay sex doesn't sell ~ it's all rather dull, and the characters are mostly one dimensional. Once all the gay jokes are used up in the first 5 minutes, there's nothing else to be concerned with.

3 posted on 05/28/2013 7:09:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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We don’t need more Christians; we need the kind that keeps the ancient apostolic faith, within the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The privatized DIY American model is hopelessly inadequate and defective.


4 posted on 05/28/2013 7:09:55 AM PDT by Romulus
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Would you agree that in the past God has raised up leaders to guide movements of the Spirit, or would you say that movements of the Spirit has resulted in Leaders being raised up?

Within that spiritual movement, I think you come up with one answer. When you try to translate the benefits of that movement to the culture and politics, it seems to get a little hazy.

Hunter summarizes, “Even if we add the minor figures in all of the networks, in all of the civilizations, the total is only 2,700. In sum, between 150 and 3,000 people (a tiny fraction of the roughly 23 billion people living between 600 B.C. and A.D. 1900) framed the major contours of all world civilizations. Clearly, the transformations here were top-down.”

What an amazing piece of information. Imagine that. Culture has been defined since the beginning of time by no more than 3,000 change agents, a tiny fraction of the population.


5 posted on 05/28/2013 7:10:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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short answer: Because our culture has fallen under the control of a tiny clique of rabid, militant gay atheist secular humanists with an agenda.


8 posted on 05/28/2013 7:17:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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My tagline......


9 posted on 05/28/2013 7:17:33 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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What a bunch of garbage. Christ’s influence over 2000 years is what has driven our culture. It has constrained what types of government are acceptable, along with the respective laws that are compatible with Judeo-Christian ethics.

In contrast, look at the middle east, driven by Islam. The outcomes are inevitable, it’s not by chance that the western world thrived while the ME languish. It is self-evident, yet people do not understand the impact that religious philosophy has on culture and prosperity (or lack of).


13 posted on 05/28/2013 7:23:57 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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Unless they are all of the exact same mindset, all you end up having, is lots of folk arguing about how they are right and the others are wrong.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 7:29:30 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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The problem is reasonably simple. The majority of evangelical Christians do not vote, do not run for office, do not get involved in the local grass-roots meetings of the political parties.

Many Christians have a “it’s all gonna burn” so why get involved, or politics is “worldly” and attempting to participate is “unGodly”. What they do not realize is that part of Paul’s instruction in Romans 13 to “submit to the governing authorities” is to not just obey the laws of the land, but in our system of government, participation in that government by its citizens is a requirement for it to function properly in a Godly way.

Our form of government obviously did not exist in the 1st century, but part of being a good citizen in our country is to participate in it: vote, run for office, be involved. The early American settlers were very involved in the colonial governments.

It doesn’t have to be a “theocracy”, but abstaining from all participation leaves the field to the purely secular-minded, to the relativist moral mindset.

If we, as Christians, refuse to participate in our government by not voting, not running for office, not being involved in the structure of the political parties, then we are disobeying Paul’s instruction to “submit” (at least in our form of government). From local government to state to the national level, Christians abstaining from participation guarantees that secularism will prevail at every level.

Why should we expect anything other than what we have today when only 30 or 35% of Christians even register to vote, let alone vote at all?


18 posted on 05/28/2013 7:29:47 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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Like any military operation, numbers alone don’t determine the outcome. tactics, terrain, morale, training, courage, and even luck all play a role.

On the cultural battlefield, we are being outfought.


24 posted on 05/28/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Excellent article. I remember a paperback book from Moody Press, “Seven Men Who Rule the World from the Grave” by Dave Breese. He lists: Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Julius Wellhausen, Sigmund Freud, John Dewey, John Maynard Keynes, Soren Kirkegaard. Breese takes a more philosophical approach but these are modern examples of men whose ideas have influenced our society.


27 posted on 05/28/2013 7:54:59 AM PDT by Nanny7
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Prior to pursuing the end of human enslavement, a few Christian leaders established America and our constitution of individual freedom for white men.

Christian leaders rose to end the slavement of human beings and Christian leaders eventually ended segregation and imposed bussing ending the freedom of association for total Federal control. They sought constitutional freedom for women which progressed to become anti-male. They progressed to install reverse discrimination and racist and anti-male and anti-family hate doctrines and agendas.

They were involved in improving conditions of prisoners and progressed to be against justice. They cheered the criminals and their crimes and gave no mercy nor care to the victims.

They moved to end mindless polution and progressed to become anti-property ownership and pagan earth worship.

The movement of human freedom and natural law Christians began in the establishment of the US has “progressed” to become anti-freedom, known as liberalism and globalism. It is now racist, anti human life and anti-love and anti-Christ. It promotes tribalism, envy, intolerance, criminals and crime, global fascism and global marxism, inequality before the law, immorality, disease and hate. “Christians” involved in this movement today have renounced their faith and freedom. They have installed the modern anti-Christ liberal agenda to undo the churches.


39 posted on 05/28/2013 8:14:51 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Culture is defined by a relatively small number of change agents who operate at the top of cultural spheres or societal mountains. It takes less than 3-5 percent of those operating at the top of a cultural mountain to actually shift the values represented on that mountain.

Ask Joe Biden. He gets it. Sadly.

41 posted on 05/28/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by narses
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For centuries, Christians thought culture would change if we just had a majority of Christians in the culture. That has proven to be a false assumption.

Really? Where was this disproven?

A critical mass of Christians in the society absolutely does change the nature and tone and direction of a society.

If the writer doesn't know this, he needs to get out more.

Furthermore, as our own culture takes its dive into the tarmac, we are finding that politics can't fix what ails us, because politics rests upon a moral foundation that either is or isn't there. And that moral foundation rests upon a spiritual one.

You can have a government that is worse than the people it governs but you will only rarely and briefly have a government that is better than its citizenry. In general, if your government is corrupt your people are as well though they may prefer not to recognize it. This is a moral problem, and this is a spiritual one. Solve that, and the political problem will take care of itself. Fail to solve it and you get to watch while each and every election cycle takes you deeper into disaster.

60 posted on 05/28/2013 9:08:11 AM PDT by marron
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All this article does is show that the amount of saints in America is extremely low.

Those who follow Jesus don’t have cable or go to the cinema. If they feel the need to watch a program they rent a Godly one.

Those who follow Jesus don’t send their children to the anti-Christ government school. They home school them. They don’t send them to anti-Christ Scouting, they find a Godly organization instead.

Those who follow Jesus don’t send their children to anti-Christ college. The only reason for college is for engineering, medical, science, or law, and they either find a school staffed by fellow saints that teach these disciplines, or they use internet schooling.

The most important thing in this world to do, other than accepting Jesus’ sacrifice in your name, is to marry, have a lot of children (13 or more) and to teach them morality. Morality comes solely from the Bible, it is another way of saying, ‘teaching the Bible’. Nothing is more important than teaching them morality and if they learn nothing else, it is still a complete success. There is no civilized society without morality.

People in America don’t want children, and they don’t want to raise the child they have. They tell themselves that the best thing to do is to send their offspring to government school so that they can be socialized in wickedness. These ‘parents’ don’t believe that morals are important enough to teach anyway. The truth is that it is almost impossible to learn morals from any other source but from the example and teachings of one’s parents. If it is not learned there, then a person must spend the rest of their lives studying the Bible and trying to teach themselves.

Those who follow Jesus don’t subscribe to anti-Christ magazines or listen to anti-Christ radio or play anti-Christ games. If they feel the need for these things they partake of Godly sources.

If the anti-Christ government forces a follower of Jesus to perform some action that is against Jesus, they simply sell their business and find another way to make a living. If their money is stolen via taxes to perform anti-Christ activities, they would do everything in their power to avoid these taxes and to change the tax system. They could do subsistence living in a state without property taxes, for example. Or, they could run for government on a fair/flat tax platform (and they won’t change into an anti-Christ when they get to Washington.)

If the majority of people in a society were actually in the Body of Christ, then anti-Christ content sources would quickly go out of business. If these sources are funded by tax money stolen from the saints, they would be doing everything in their power to avoid and change that system, even leaving the country or rebelling.

Ergo, the amount of saints in America is extremely small. What kind of society is it that can’t even imagine not watching the filth on TV? What kind of society is it that makes an article crying that the Body of Christ cannot avoid anti-Christ society? Of course the saints can avoid wicked things.

This article’s purpose is to tell the saints to stop spreading the Good News. To get them to stop all that worthless witnessing and spreading of the Gospel and to instead focus on becoming a TV station owner. What part of the Bible is that teaching from?

Why is TV so important to these people? Is their sexual brokenness so severe that they cannot imagine giving up that source of continual soft porn? Are they so seeped in wickedness that they need to watch crude cartoon characters curse and blaspheme in order to be able to laugh? What kind of society even finds that something to laugh at? An anti-Christ society. A society who’s majority is not in the Body of Christ.


87 posted on 05/28/2013 10:28:42 AM PDT by Outership
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We have more than enough Christians now to affect necessary changes. The problem is that the Christians are not voting or thinking as Christians, they are thinking as union members or the coattails of union supporting parents, and voting for whomever the DemocRAT’s run for office. Catholics in this country alone could completely change the face of government in one election cycle if they would unite to think and vote with a correctly formed Catholic conscience. The trouble is getting them to listen to reason when they are so steeped in a generational DemocRATic mindset, they simply won’t listen to reason...


97 posted on 05/28/2013 11:01:42 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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Interesting post and I'm going to thoroughly read it, but I strongly question the initial premise:

For centuries, Christians thought culture would change if we just had a majority of Christians in the culture.

When have Christians ever been in the majority anywhere? On what basis would Christians ever believe that they might ever be in the majority prior to Christ's return?

106 posted on 05/28/2013 11:36:53 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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Good article.

BTW, this is why all that talk about "moderate muslims" is a bunch of hooey.

108 posted on 05/28/2013 12:01:35 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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This same principle also explains why homosexuals have so much power and influence in the United States.


120 posted on 05/28/2013 2:14:33 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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It depends.

Wilberforce and his group could have a major influence on policy because in his day slavery was largely something that went on overseas.

It took a massive effort to overcome the power of the slave traders and sugar planters, but still, most Britons didn't have an obvious material interest in slavery.

If you want to change things at home, sheer numbers are more important than well-placed minorities. Masses of people resolved to change their lives (if you can get that) count for more in that case than tactics practiced at the elite level.

121 posted on 05/28/2013 2:30:08 PM PDT by x
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