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Soybean catalyst for hydrogen evolution
Chemistry World ^ | 30 May 2013 | Helen Potter

Posted on 05/30/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 05/30/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the interesting article. Very nice....


2 posted on 05/30/2013 7:10:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: neverdem

So now people in poor countries will have to forego corn and soybeans as part of their diet, so that we don’t have to use fossil fuels to drive.


3 posted on 05/30/2013 7:10:54 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

and this is a problem why?


4 posted on 05/30/2013 7:18:47 PM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop

It may not be a problem for us, but it could be a problem for those whose diet was primarily soybean or corn.


5 posted on 05/30/2013 7:20:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

Not our concern. They would simply have to locate an alternate source of food.


6 posted on 05/30/2013 7:22:42 PM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: neverdem
The platinum catalyst used to make hydrogen via water electrolysis is a significant part of the cost

but it is the cost of the electricity used for the electrolysis that wipes out any chance for h2 to become worth the cost of producing it

7 posted on 05/30/2013 7:26:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: txnativegop

Yes. I suppose they could try to make rocks work.


8 posted on 05/30/2013 7:26:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: txnativegop

It may also be that the chemical in soybeans can be produced artificially


9 posted on 05/30/2013 7:26:24 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: neverdem
The problem is the law of conservation of energy. Oxidizing hydrogen yields a great deal of energy in the form of heat as the hydrogen is combined with oxygen to form water, one of the world's most stable compounds. Reversing that reaction inevitably requires all of that energy plus a good deal more, all of which must come from fossil fuels.
10 posted on 05/30/2013 7:30:28 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Jonty30

The problems faced by the underdeveloped world are not our direct concern. The problems that directly affect this nation should be dealt with first. As most of that part of the world is controlled by one form or another of dictatorial governments, what ever aid we send would be misappropriated in any case.

I don’t bother with hand-wringing, makes my fingers sore and accomplishes nothing.


11 posted on 05/30/2013 7:30:53 PM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop

Then don’t be concerned if third world countries have to resort to eating rocks.

It’s all good.


12 posted on 05/30/2013 7:33:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: txnativegop

GMO soybeans owned by Monsanto that sues farmers for trying to save seed? Michael Taylor former Monsanto guy , 2nd in charge at the FDA? Follow the money.... who in Congress/Executive branch has a vested interest in MONSANTO?

These scumbags are insidious! This is all b/s the elites are making money off of anything...but mostly from evil technology like this.
Science is as “bought” as the IRS... it’s the Chicago way!


13 posted on 05/30/2013 7:33:28 PM PDT by acapesket
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14 posted on 05/30/2013 7:37:09 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Jonty30

They already do. But, then, so do we.


15 posted on 05/30/2013 7:43:28 PM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: libstripper
Reversing that reaction inevitably requires all of that energy plus a good deal more, all of which must come from fossil fuels.

Not ALL. There is electricity generated by nuclear.

16 posted on 05/30/2013 7:45:09 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Jonty30
"So now people in poor countries will have to forego corn and soybeans as part of their diet, so that we don’t have to use fossil fuels to drive."

Oh, please. The amount of soybeans needed to produce the necessary catalyst wouldn't even cause a detectable blip in the multi-megatons of soybeans produced.

17 posted on 05/30/2013 7:56:22 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: bigheadfred
but it is the cost of the electricity used for the electrolysis that wipes out any chance for h2 to become worth the cost of producing it

That might not be entirely true, there are times when the wholesale value of power goes negative in the middle of the night when usage is very low and the gigawatts of wind turbines that have been installed are working full steam ahead, wind is mostly blowing at night and during those periods wind power producers actually pay the wholesale market to take it since they cannot curtail production per contract and by the nature of the spinning mass of the turbines. At those times when the power us under 2cents or even negative hydrogen from electrolysis would make a ideal way to store and use this surplus power. Here in Texas this happens quite a bit where the wholesale power market goes negative at nights especially spring and fall when weather fronts bring high winds to west Texas at night.

18 posted on 05/30/2013 7:56:24 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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So you spend millions to set up plants in the hopes you get that kind of negativity and every time it happens you get an atta boy but remember just one aw sh** wipes out one attaboy. But even if can mass produce the hydrogen cheaply, exactly what do you do with it without its complete and own storage and distribution network?

What kind of sense does it make to even try when we are sitting on all that coal?

BTW, do you see any credits on your power bill from that “free” power?


19 posted on 05/30/2013 8:08:26 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: JD_UTDallas

The more I think about it why not build wind farms to exclusively produce hydrogen fuel if the use and efficiency of the hydrogen is worth more than the production costs?


20 posted on 05/30/2013 8:15:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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