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Manson family member Leslie Van Houten is again denied freedom
LA Times ^ | June 5, 2013 | Andrew Blankstein

Posted on 06/05/2013 6:19:34 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo

A smug little girl learns her lesson for the 20th time - nice :-)


81 posted on 06/06/2013 4:45:33 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SkyPilot; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; GSP.FAN; campaignPete R-CT; ...

“...she has paid sufficiently for her crimes....”

SkyPilot, maybe you should ask Sharon Tate, Leno and Rosemary LoBianco, Stephen Parent, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, et. al, if she’s paid sufficiently for her crime.

Think about this...

These freak hippie psychotics broke into two homes and slaughtered - not just merely killed, but slaughtered - completely innocent people just living their lives. This was killing just out of sheer pleasure, lunacy, and mayhem.

I was a kid - 10 years old - when that happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday. I was horrified at it then. The passage of time does not diminish it, nor does it wipe away the crime itself.

The idea that any one of them should EVER see free daylight again is sickening. If jail is to be a deterrent against murder, and the death penalty is not, then what kind of a deterrent is it when you know you have even the remotest possibility of getting out later on?

Personally, I think they should have been dragged out and hanged or electrocuted immediately after being found guilty.

“Denied Freedom” the title says, as if some great social injustice has been perpetrated on her... She’s damned lucky she wasn’t denied the remaining years of her own life after she was convicted.

She has been shown more mercy than she ever showed the innocent people she butchered.

Gee...weren’t the 60s great? They gave us such luminary figures...


82 posted on 06/06/2013 5:36:56 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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Personally, I think they should have been dragged out and hanged or electrocuted immediately after being found guilty.

That was actually her Original Fate, until California got rid of the Death Plenty.

If anyone ever deserved it it would be Leslie Van Houten.

Maybe on her 106 Year Old Corpse they should carve the word "Pig" like they did to the LaBiancas.

83 posted on 06/06/2013 5:48:28 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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“...Maybe on her 106 Year Old Corpse they should carve the word “Pig” like they did to the LaBiancas...”

I’d be fine with the state just carrying out her original sentence, along with Manson and whatever others are left, and closing the sick chapter in the book for the families of the victims.


84 posted on 06/06/2013 6:17:56 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: untwist

The Manson people are an anomaly. The vast majority are paroled ... some too soon. So the Manson murders are NOT the norm.

The 6 or so of them are not the cause of the default.


85 posted on 06/06/2013 8:42:01 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: wardaddy

Thanks, w, no offense taken.


86 posted on 06/06/2013 9:02:40 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Cementjungle

Yes....Anderson was overturned but in the process all death sentences commuted to life in that time period stayed that way.

It was not a reinstatement of death penalties to those commuted.

They got very very lucky by the timing.


87 posted on 06/06/2013 9:30:05 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Cementjungle; Pelham; Travis McGee

This is one of those things where over early 50s aged folks here remember all this like Kennedy or the moon landing

But for younger freepers it’s just old history

man does time move on

every Manson family member involved with the killings shoulda have been executed long ago

and like some here rationalizing it by their upbringing?

hell Charlie had far and away the worst upbringing...some of these girls were just bored suburbia chicks

Charlie’s mom was a whore...turned tricks with him in the bed as a boy...let folks diddle him

and so forth

but at some point you have to draw the line

Charlie thought Terry Melcher and some others who had spurned his songster skills ..and he did have a little...still lived in that home

and that was why they hit it...Charlie just cooked up all this acid fantasy for simply getback

and his band of fried kids went along

it was bizarre


88 posted on 06/06/2013 9:36:58 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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I'm surprised there are actually posts on this forum in favor of releasing her, especially given that freepers tend to be strong on punishing criminals.

She's 70 years old (actually 63, I looked it up) and not a threat anymore? SO WHAT? She brutally murdered multiple innocent people. How the heck can her time in prison equal what she did to those people? Tell the families of the victims she deserves freedom. She's still allowed life on earth, something they were denied decades ago. As someone else noted, she should have been executed long ago.

More proof we need the death penalty, IMO. Even in this rare example where "life in prison" actually DOES mean "life in prison", you STILL have people who want them released years later. Even if it's a Manson family member. Sad.

89 posted on 06/06/2013 10:18:54 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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>> I concur that 44 years in prison is enough time served by Leslie Van Houten (I am NOT in favor of letting Tex Watson out). <<

Hang on.

Charlie "Tex" Watson brutally murdered innocent people just like his fellow Manson family member Leslie Van Houten did. They have BOTH served around 44 years in prison and would be close to 70 now if they were released (actually this is much truer in Watson's case -- he's 67 and she's 63) Watson's lawyer likewise makes the case that Tex Watson has "served his time" and is "no threat to anyone" now because of his age.

Charlie Watson became a born-again Christian in 1975 and now says he found Jesus and he regrets the murders, asked God for forgiveness, believes that God has forgiven him, etc., just like Van Horton is "deeply sorry" and supposedly remorseful. He's behaved himself in prison, just like Van Horton, etc. His next scheduled parole hearing is in November 2016.

So parole is good enough for her because she "served her time", but NOT her fellow Manson family member who participated in the SAME murders and has the SAME punishment and track record in prison?

Someone explain the logic of this one to me. Makes as much sense as the people who are morally opposed to the death penalty and argue execution is a "lesser sentence" than life in prison without parole, but they would "allow the death penalty for terrorists" (giving them a "lesser sentence" according to their own internal logic)

90 posted on 06/06/2013 10:43:11 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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IMO if you murder as she did you can’t ever “pay your debt”. She can take it up with God when she dies which should have been 30 years ago because she should have been hung despite the fact she was an “easily manipulated young girl”. If’s she was not mentally retarded or insane then she was as morally and legally responsible for her actions as anyone else.

Whatever, not feeling very merciful today.


91 posted on 06/06/2013 11:19:51 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: KC_Lion

Meant to ping you to post 91.


92 posted on 06/06/2013 11:22:19 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: jazusamo

Why are “life in prison” and “life without parole” so meaningless in this country today? Why is any prison sentencing meaningless, just another nudge-nudge-wink-wink among lawyers? Just look at the “compassionate conservative” posts on this thread. Shame.


93 posted on 06/06/2013 11:22:46 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Oh, I forgot: This monster has suffered enough, let her out of prison!


94 posted on 06/06/2013 11:24:45 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I hear ya and can’t any compassion for the murdering scumbag Manson Family.


95 posted on 06/06/2013 11:27:31 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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96 posted on 06/06/2013 11:30:27 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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97 posted on 06/06/2013 11:33:01 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Impy

I absolutely agree.

It was savage and psychotic. Whether she is still a “threat” is irrelevant - she butchered two human beings without any provocation, reason, or motive.

Forgiveness, sure. She can have all the forgiveness she desires in prison until she dies there.


98 posted on 06/06/2013 12:42:13 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SkyPilot

I might go for that if we can leave her homeless and destitute in the worst part of LA.

Problems is, as bmwcyle mentioned, she would probably get a job as a “professor” at some university, where she do even more harm.


99 posted on 06/06/2013 12:49:31 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: SkyPilot

Threat has little to do with it. She has no right to her freedom, she forfeited that when she helped to murder two innocent people in their home.


100 posted on 06/06/2013 12:52:35 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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