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We arenít communist?
Tea Party Nation ^ | June 11, 2013 | Dan Short

Posted on 06/11/2013 8:09:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

We aren’t communist?

When the obvious is obvious, why is it that there are those who can’t seem to see the obvious? Strange metaphor is it not? That we in this nation have those who can’t see this obvious scenario that this nation is as communist as any that has ever been, or will ever be!

Perhaps it’s our identification of what we use as the yard stick to measure what is a communist government?

When we look at the definition of communism, it is obvious that it had never existed, will not ever exist, and cannot exist as it is defined. Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at establishing this order.

Is it not interesting that the failure of communism is defined in the very first identification of this ideology? Why is the word ‘revolutionary’ so prominent?

The answer is simple really—for in fact communism is based on the oldest of human actions—theft. This is the why it must be a revolution of taking that from a society that has productive capacity—as communism is not the ideology of the beginning…for it produces nothing…as the literate history of mankind has proven.

There is no more one need to know of communism. The basis of this dementia and the results are all based in this simple reality.

One thing about communism is that reality is never part of the evaluation. Take a moment to think of this; movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at establishing this order.....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: barackobama; communism; economy; obama; revolution

1 posted on 06/11/2013 8:09:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.

Eurasia has Communism - we in Oceania have Ingsoc, a far superior ideology.


2 posted on 06/11/2013 8:16:24 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at establishing this order. "

The key words there are "upon common ownership of the means of production". By that definition Soviet Russia really was communist. China is still mostly communist. And America is not communist but we have moved slightly in that direction.

3 posted on 06/11/2013 8:20:36 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at establishing this order. "

The key words there are "upon common ownership of the means of production". By that definition Soviet Russia really was communist. China is still mostly communist. And America is not communist but we have moved slightly in that direction.

4 posted on 06/11/2013 8:20:37 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

America is and has been fascist for many years.

Communism requires “ownership” of everything. Fascism only control of it - regulation of every stupid thing.

We are there. Communism is the next step.


5 posted on 06/11/2013 8:25:51 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dude knows nothing about Communism. America has become a corporatist state, yes, something similar to Italian fascism (or in the FR parlance ‘facism’.) Private industry heavily regulated and much dependent on the central government.


6 posted on 06/11/2013 8:28:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I prefer the term MarxoFascists - because I think that describes the tyranny we currently exist in a little more accurately.

7 posted on 06/11/2013 8:33:52 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’re not? I can’t say I’d noticed.


8 posted on 06/11/2013 8:33:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Posted wrong dang image, but perhaps the icon is more accurate. Here's the original cover that informed the nation what was self-evident to the Statists

I prefer the term MarxoFascists - because I think that describes the tyranny we currently exist in a little more accurately.

9 posted on 06/11/2013 8:37:33 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Revolting cat!
Dude knows nothing about Communism. America has become a corporatist state, yes, something similar to Italian fascism (or in the FR parlance ‘facism’.) Private industry heavily regulated and much dependent on the central government.

Of course there are elements of fascism present in America, but the federal government has adopted several central planks of the Communist Manifesto, such as the progressive income tax, inheritance taxes, and fractional reserve banking, to name only a few.

While there is obviously plenty of corporate welfare and illegitimate influence on a bloated government bureaucracy, to assert that the USA is not slipping further and further into Marxist/Communist Tyranny is to miss much of the picture.

To me, blaming "corporatism" and ignoring the authoritarian collectivism is a little too convenient, and seems instead like an oblique attack on capitalism in general.

10 posted on 06/11/2013 8:42:24 PM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon
central planks of the Communist Manifesto, such as the progressive income tax, inheritance taxes, and fractional reserve banking

Those are central planks of the Communist manifesto? Supporting quotes from it, please!

11 posted on 06/11/2013 8:44:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: INVAR

I prefer the other logo - more accurate in post #7


12 posted on 06/11/2013 8:45:19 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The more we scream “COMMUNISM” “FASCISM”, “NAZISM”, the less credibility we have!


13 posted on 06/11/2013 8:46:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Yeah, even though it’s true, right?


14 posted on 06/11/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

oligarchical socialism?!


15 posted on 06/11/2013 8:48:30 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Revolting cat!
Those are central planks of the Communist manifesto? Supporting quotes from it, please!

Yawn. Just offhand, from http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

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2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

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5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

...

Do changing words, change the end result? ... By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

For the remaining planks, which should also seem very familiar to any American, just go to that page. America has adopted its own apple pie versions of virtually every tenet of Communism.

You don't know that Communism calls for a progressive income tax? For confiscatory inheritance taxes? For a central banking system that can loan money to the government on request, in order to engage in deficit spending? For a compulsory public education system in order to indoctrinate the youth?

Fascism can function quite smoothly against the backdrop of Communist/Socialist/Marxist state policy (whatever you'd like to call it.)

16 posted on 06/11/2013 9:03:42 PM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon

I asked for quotes from the Communist Manifesto itself, not from self-serving interpretations of it.


17 posted on 06/11/2013 9:06:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

It is fascism. Why call it something else?.


18 posted on 06/11/2013 9:07:31 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Revolting cat!

“The more we scream “COMMUNISM” “FASCISM”, “NAZISM”, the less credibility we have!”
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I disagree. While the USA is not Communist as in the previous
Communist countries of Europe, it is like the frog put in the pot of cool water, but over a slow fire.
Sadly, the country is probably past the point of no return. America will become the USSA.
By the way, I did spend eight years in post Communist central Europe. I saw the scars from the past.


19 posted on 06/11/2013 9:10:17 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

There are certain characteristics of the Communist societies in Europe and elsewhere that this country’s system doesn’t share. I won’t list them, because there is plenty of literature about it. Using the word ‘Communism’ as a scare tactic is ignorant and ineffectual, and offensive to those who suffered under Communism, but yes, the country is moving in the direction of some liberal Communism like Tito’s Yugoslavia, or Mussolini’s fascism. We’re not there yet, still the chummy relationship between the industry and the government is what if not something called ‘corporatism’? Who’s Apple’s biggest customer? Procter and Gamble’s? Etc.


20 posted on 06/11/2013 9:18:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
I asked for quotes from the Communist Manifesto itself, not from self-serving interpretations of it.

That link was just in the first couple of results. You will find many others with consistently similar "self-serving interpretations" regarding the similarities between the central tenets of Communism and American domestic policy during the last century plus. Many. Others.

That America has adopted several tenets of Communism is not really a very controversial thesis with the "classical liberal" or "Patriot" crowd, as far as I've seen. I'm surprised you're not aware of that.

You can go on believing that America hasn't adopted tons of Marxism. I'm sure that's very comforting. But it's pretty clear we have. You can make the argument that it's a watered down version, but to deny the similarities is absurd.

I'm sure it makes you feel like less of a slave that you've paid income tax your entire life, because, hey, at least it's not Communism! LOL!

21 posted on 06/11/2013 9:21:05 PM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon
the federal government has adopted several central planks of the Communist Manifesto

You are running all over the place making subtle accusations and assumptions about what I believe and think, all wrong, by the way. And I only replied to your assertion, quoted again above, and asked for quotes from the very Communist Manifesto (which I have read, thank you) to support your assertion. You've run away from it, because such quotes cannot be found there. That is all I asked for and don't care for all your other comments, wild fantasies, theories and whatever, neither agree nor disagree, they are totally beside the small point and request for evidence that I was making.

22 posted on 06/11/2013 9:28:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I never said that America would fall to the level of the previous Communism of the Soviet Union. I certainly do not expect the citizens to be fenced/walled in.
I do not expect gun towers for shooting those that try to escape. It will, however, easily become the United Socialist States of America. The life that we had in the past will fade away.
Fortunately, I have already escaped what America is becoming.


23 posted on 06/11/2013 9:35:54 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

We are already more socialist than China. I’ve heard from a Chinese scholar whom I met and had long conversations with. He could not believe when I reported to him about the cradle to grave care given by our government - they have nothing of the sort in China. Obamafoams? Not in China, not in Cuba, certainly not in North Korea. We are a welfare state, with the government bigger and in some ways more intrusive than anywhere in the world now.


24 posted on 06/11/2013 9:41:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Sorry man, I don't find those accusations regarding America adopting tenets of Communism to be wild-eyed fabrications. Those who believe such a thing draw valid parallels between the theories Marx states in his own words, and the actual policy practices which have been adopted in America. The progressive income tax, at the very least.

Most patriots believe that America has adopted Communism in many ways. They base this on the evidence of their own eyes when compared with the beliefs of Marxists.

Personally, I believe it's inaccurate to try to reduce American domestic policy to simple "corporatism" or fascism. The Communism/Socialism/Marxism is there to be seen, and playing word games or ascribing it all to "self-serving interpretations" is either disingenuous or naive, IMHO.

The paradigm in the Patriot movement is that we are slipping further and further into the corrosive mobocratic abominations known as Marxism, Socialism, Communism, authoritarian collectivism, or whatever you'd like to call it. Calling it "corporatism" is far too oversimplified.

If you don't believe America has adopted much of Communism, you're at liberty to do so. But the patriot movement, by and large, may disagree with you. The fact that we've gone from approximately 0% Communist to "only" 65% Communist, or whatever, doesn't mean that we're not "trending" Communist.

We aren't at 100% Commie, fine, but there's no denying the trend...

25 posted on 06/11/2013 9:42:27 PM PDT by sargon
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To: Revolting cat!

“We are a welfare state, with the government bigger and in some ways more intrusive than anywhere in the world now.”
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Of course, and you have made my point.
I also contend that it will get much worse.
America has passed the point of no return.


26 posted on 06/11/2013 9:49:35 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The communists have convinced the witless that communism and democracy are mutually exclusive, when in fact, they work quite well together once a majority of the population votes to redistribute the wealth of a minority. Our Democratic Party is completely controlled by communists, as is our media and our educational systems. Obama is a communist. He knows it. I know it, and all but the hopelessly stupid of his apologists know it. He represents and reflects his party, and he will lead them to destroy the rest of us, any way they can.


27 posted on 06/11/2013 10:28:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We can still find toilet paper in the supermarkets, so we haven’t hit rock bottom just yet; but give Obama another three years.


28 posted on 06/11/2013 11:26:51 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping


29 posted on 06/12/2013 2:06:13 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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>> We aren’t communist?

No, we’re Betrayed.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 2:16:05 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Revolting cat!

>> The more we scream “COMMUNISM” “FASCISM”, “NAZISM”, the less credibility we have!

Credibility with whom? Habitual Democrats?


31 posted on 06/12/2013 2:18:53 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: sargon; Revolting cat!

But corporatism is form of authoritarian collectivism.

One may view corporatism as a heterodox form of Marxism.

I have a preference for the term “corporatism” because Mussolini’s fascism had strong nationalist elements. The corporatism we live under is transnational.


32 posted on 06/12/2013 2:40:29 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The key to the establishment of fascism in America was to to eliminate states rights and for FedGov™ be able to tax the people directly. The 16th and 17th amendments ere the fascist amendments....

Wage withholding is the most fascist thing I can think of. Hell they get it before you even touch it.

Corporations hate states rights and the republic, that is why the always cry for "we need a national law not 50 individual laws". Well that is crying for centralized fascism at it's core.

33 posted on 06/12/2013 2:42:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sure we are.

34 posted on 06/12/2013 2:44:03 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Gene Eric

I forget, what did the boy cry? Oh yes, the boy cried “COMMUNISM!”


35 posted on 06/12/2013 7:58:13 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Long post,

Is Obama a communist....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3029805/posts?page=8#8


36 posted on 06/12/2013 11:11:15 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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