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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 16 June 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 16 June 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 06/16/2013 4:50:41 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Fishtalk

The only excitement with the Cheney interview happened when his cell phone went off. :o/


51 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:27 AM PDT by maggief
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To: kabar

Well Kabar let us share a dance shall we?

Cause you are exactly right....Cheney came up with a lame, lame, lame....”trust us, we know what’s best” defense and dear Lord, in view of the Obama administration’s abuse of EVERYTHING, I am astonished he would even suggest such a thing.

Again, he did not invigorate me, Cheney came off sounding old and stale. A blue blood GOP elite, a proponent of big government.


52 posted on 06/16/2013 6:48:22 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: maggief

Man.....thank you Maggie.

That was the dullest, dumbest, doltish interview I have ever seen.

Loved the cell phone ringing....showed how lame the mad was.


53 posted on 06/16/2013 6:49:13 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: bray

Give me more detail....how did Obama stir the Syrian pot?

Enquiring minds want to know.


54 posted on 06/16/2013 6:50:01 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

The guy gave it to Putin...then had second thoughts and asked for it back.


55 posted on 06/16/2013 6:50:33 AM PDT by caww
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To: Nextrush

Keep posting, tell us more.


56 posted on 06/16/2013 6:50:56 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

The owner said he gave the ring to Putin, but who knows? Rove is telling us how great it is to have our phones monitored. We have nothing to worry about, just like the IRS and every other agency.


57 posted on 06/16/2013 6:52:01 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: caww

That’s NOT the story I heard.

I heard he did show it to Putin but noticed after the meeting that it was missing.

The administration straightened out the mess as I understand.


58 posted on 06/16/2013 6:52:06 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Alas Babylon!

All pro-amnesty, all the time on “This Week”!


59 posted on 06/16/2013 6:53:04 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: kabar

Even good people can do bad things, if they convince themselves it is for a noble purpose.


60 posted on 06/16/2013 6:53:40 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Fishtalk
In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, shouldn’t we STOP dictators spraying chemical weapons on their own people? A well-placed bomb would put an end to that.

We did that in Iraq.

I am heartened somewhat by the Turkey protests. THAT’S who we should be helping. Cause those protesting now are those who thought the new president would be a great guy except he’s just more of the same.

Actually, Erdogan is not more of the same. He is trying to change Turkey into an Islamist state from a secular one. He is undermining the policies put in place by Ataturk, aka, Mustafa Kemal who founded the Turkish Republic in 1923.

In the years following 1926, Mustafa Kemal introduced a radical departure from previous reformations established by the Ottoman Empire. For the first time in history, Islamic law was separated from secular law, and restricted to matters of religion. Mustafa Kemal said

“We must liberate our concepts of justice, our laws and our legal institutions from the bonds which, even though they are incompatible with the needs of our century, still hold a tight grip on us."

What we are seeing in Istanbul is a clash between Western oriented secularists versus Islamic fundamentalists. We should be supporting the demonstrators not Erdogan who wants to take Turkey backwards.

61 posted on 06/16/2013 6:54:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fishtalk

He stirred the entire Middle East pot with Egypt and Libya. He likely started the Syria riots expecting the same results and now he acts like he had nothing to do with it.


62 posted on 06/16/2013 6:54:23 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: Fishtalk

Again...the ring was offered to Putin...the guy asked for it back...simple. The guy’s an idiot taking the time of our Pres. over a ring....show’s clearly he has no grey matter between the ears.


63 posted on 06/16/2013 6:57:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: bray

Another immigration amnesty commercial on Fox. What could go wrong with basically making everyone in Mexico a voting American citizen?

Close the border and then worry about who is here.


64 posted on 06/16/2013 6:58:26 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Mitchell picked up her nasal problem on the casting couch. It’s backed up...well, something.


65 posted on 06/16/2013 6:58:53 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Fishtalk
NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants

For those trying to dismiss what Snowden has said or knows, they should be very careful because Snowden has a treasure trove on his thumb drive that could be very damaging. And based on the story above, it appears that Snowden could tap into anyone's phone calls or internet conversations. This is more than just metadata, but also content and the targeting of individuals.

66 posted on 06/16/2013 7:00:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PghBaldy

Agreed. The “ends justify the means” mentality can supersede laws and regulations. I don’t want such power in the hands of a few, unelected individuals. We saw such abuses under Hoover and now the IRS. There have to be institutional limits—not dependent on trust and “good men.”


67 posted on 06/16/2013 7:06:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

This isn’t about Snowden, but do we want to lose our right to privacy for fear of terrorism? This is targeting everyone so you don’t have to profile Islam.


68 posted on 06/16/2013 7:10:00 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: bray

o The bill increases dramatically legal immigration adding between 30 million to 57 million permanent immigrants above current levels (14 million now) over a ten year period. Most of those added will be low skilled with kinship being more important than merit.

o The bill doubles the annual flow of guest workers. During the first year, 1.6 million more temporary workers than currently allowed. Thereafter, the bill would increase temporary workers by more than 600,000 over the current levels.

o A number of new categories of temporary workers were created. One allows 5,000 visas annually to the 30 countries the US has free trade agreements with. This is in addition to the H-1B visa level, which is also being almost tripled to 170,000 a year.

o Importing massive amounts of additional labor while 22 million Americans are looking for full time employment is insane. There will be a huge increase in unskilled labor to “do the jobs Americans won’t do, A patent lie, but now we bringing in a large increase in skilled labor to “do jobs Americans can’t do.” Beam me up Scotty, the inmates have taken over the asylum.


69 posted on 06/16/2013 7:10:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bray

Agreed. It is using a meat cleaver to do the job of a scalpel.


70 posted on 06/16/2013 7:12:01 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!
This story is really about the DBM.

When you have no media to counter abuses by any administration the country is screwed. Whether the abuses be killing embassy officials in a foreign land,funneling arms to terrorists,abusing FISA laws or in this case the lack of investigation into known crimes. Without a fair and balanced media to report on what happens in an unbiased manner there is no need for govt. to fulfill their normal duties since there is no one to report they failed their country and their countrymen.

That's why what we do here is so important. We are the media of last resort.We report what the drivebys refuse to tell.If citizens want the truth they now get it from citizen journalists.We can not fail.The stakes are too high.

71 posted on 06/16/2013 7:20:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Diogenesis

Posts #6 and 7 great stuff guys,we are controlled by an ever-biased media.


72 posted on 06/16/2013 7:22:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: bray

More bray brilliance this time in the printed word.
FR mail for ya.


73 posted on 06/16/2013 7:23:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: HomeAtLast

Ewwww...so bad!ha.


74 posted on 06/16/2013 7:25:28 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Will Freepr combat)
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To: kabar

I think that it is oddly a good thing that abuses occurred under both Bush & Obama - it might help some to see it is not a partisan issue.


75 posted on 06/16/2013 7:25:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: shalom aleichem
Echo that for me! Happy Fathers' Day to all Freeper dads everywhere!

I had a wonderful Fathers Day yesterday in Wey West getting to see The Man of Steel: Superman. One of the best I have ever seen.!

Reminded me just how bad we need leadership in the country and how desperate our side is for a:

SUPERMAN!!

76 posted on 06/16/2013 7:26:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

Strangely enough, some of the people who are going to be hurt the most are low-skilled blacks.


77 posted on 06/16/2013 7:27:36 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: kabar

If hillary comes out of the closet in her new book do you still see an easy win for her?—What party will the fat basturd from NJ run in?


78 posted on 06/16/2013 7:28:30 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

That’s my take on how the NSA plays fast and loose with data, any data.
Its not the data per se but who is running the show.


79 posted on 06/16/2013 7:30:31 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: PghBaldy

Unfortunately, everything is a partisan issue. The Dems were decidedly against government snooping while Bush was in the WH (remember the “library card” fiasco?), but they are strongly in support of the snooping now that Obama is in the WH. Rep support has not experienced such wide shifts in approval, but it does depend on you politics as to how you view the issue.


80 posted on 06/16/2013 7:30:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911

A reminder from Breitbart - Media is everything

http://patdollard.com/2012/11/a-reminder-from-andrew-breitbart-the-media-is-everyting/


81 posted on 06/16/2013 7:32:19 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Alas Babylon!

I expected better things from Cheney, but he just laughed off concerns about NSA snooping and said we should just “trust” the government! WHAT?

Bush and Cheney started this mess. 0bama took the ball they handed him and ran with it.

Third party, anyone?


82 posted on 06/16/2013 7:38:21 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: kabar
See Biden of '06 debate 0bama '13 on NSA snooping, here.

Hilarious Dim hypocrisy example.

83 posted on 06/16/2013 7:38:37 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: rodguy911
Any candidate who has a D after his/her name will win. Hillary will probably be helped if she comes out of the closet. Another first. Not only our first woman President, but also, our first gay President, at least openly gay. Obama may try to claim that title for himself after he leaves office.

Christie is up 40 points over his opponent in the NJ governor's race. He'll probably run as Hillary's VP.

84 posted on 06/16/2013 7:40:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: All

Who is this being interviewed by Bob Shieffer on Face the Nation right now?


85 posted on 06/16/2013 7:41:01 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Fishtalk
Cheney also called the Snowden fellow a traitor. I don’t know the full story of that young man but I am holding off until I hear it all. I found it off-putting that first thing Cheney says sort of aligns him with the Obama crowd.

You line up with Judge Janine last night, myself and many others who are simply not sure who Snowden really is.

I think its waaay too early to call out whether or not Snowden is a traitor,hero or something in-between.

Last night Judge Janine on FNC had another whistle blower on who also told on the NSA and was also savaged by once again the ozero regime. Even though he was telling on abuses under the Bush Presidency.

So go figure.

It appears that anyone who does not bow to the alter of chicago thuggery is in deep trouble with the current regime. Its just how they play the game.

86 posted on 06/16/2013 7:44:04 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar
What we are seeing in Istanbul is a clash between Western oriented secularists versus Islamic fundamentalists. We should be supporting the demonstrators not Erdogan who wants to take Turkey backwards.

Absolutely. These people aren't taking forced burka-wearing lightly. Yes, we should be supporting them!

But we are not cause nothing in it for Obama.

87 posted on 06/16/2013 7:44:15 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: All

Never mind - it is White House chief of staff Denis McDonough.


88 posted on 06/16/2013 7:44:24 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: kabar

They are bound and determined to pass this “immigration” law.

By me this is a blue blood GOP effort. Rubio joined in because he was seduced by the political elite members of the GOP.

I despise everything about that immigration law.

and it could because we passed an alleged “comprehensive immigration law” once before. Then we granted amnesty to 6 million illegals and were told that the borders would be sealed, that this would not happen again.

Heh.

So now we don’t believe them and WE are the bad guys?

The political elite, the blue blood GOP....put Jeb Bush and his fertile immigrants right in that category.

I predict massive backlash if they pass any kind of stupid immigration bill BEFORE securing borders and setting up decent systems to monitor illegals.

They won’t.


89 posted on 06/16/2013 7:47:40 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: kabar

Of the progressives and Democrats I know, not one is upset with the IRS or NSA. They all believe the end justifies the means and they are intent on using the power they have to force their will on the rest of us.

IIRC, it began with smoking laws and taxes on tobacco. Once established they expanded government reach into other areas of our lives: light bulbs and low flush toilets, etc.

Maxine Waters let the cat out of the bag this month when she bragged about the Democrats database of voter information and that it would be available to Democrat candidates.

In Denver alone I know for a fact they can sort the information they have by blocks in neighborhoods, by R’s, D’s and I’s and by issue and voting patterns. Also by race or any other sort item within that database. It just depends on the algorithm query they want to use.

It’s all done with the end justifying the means.


90 posted on 06/16/2013 7:48:33 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: Believe spin and lies will save their corrupt party.)
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To: Fishtalk
Yeah the administration straightened out the ring problem all right! They told pootie he could keep the ring after he stole it!!Looks like zero definitely has more flexibility now that he got reelected.
91 posted on 06/16/2013 7:48:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

As a former Merrylander, and not proud of it....here’s how they do in blue states sometimes.

They can easily elect a Democrat. A little poll maneuvering and money changes hands and boom, some dolt Dem gets in....like O’Malley.

The Dems in power give the public unions all kinds of money until they almost break the bank.

THEN the Dems help a Republican get elected, like Ehrlich in Merryland and Christy in NJ.

The Repub comes in, cleans house, caps union wages, deals with them like the Dems know they need but can’t do for political expediency.

THEN that same Repub either turns Dem or, boom, is wiped out of office next time.

That’s the story with Christy.

I predict he will turn Democrat come time to run for Prez, he will lose lots of weight as that’s always a public relations hit.


92 posted on 06/16/2013 7:51:09 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

This is another bill that we must pass to learn what is in it. This bill will make the Dems the permanent majority party and it will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.


93 posted on 06/16/2013 7:52:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911

Agreed, rodguy. We have a failure in the media/press to report news that might upset the balance of power that favors the Democrats and an ever expanding government.


94 posted on 06/16/2013 7:53:34 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: Believe spin and lies will save their corrupt party.)
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To: kabar
Excellent post.

I got an e-mail a week ago showing OBl in the 70's with 14 of his closest friends probably in the USA as he was educated here.

They were all wearing brightly colored hippie clothes and there was not even a hint of anything muslim/islamist. ,p> Fast forward years later and see what saudi(no caps necessary) money and the butt of a rifle will do to the mid-east and now around the world.

Islam is a scary cult. we should never forget what it is really all about.

95 posted on 06/16/2013 7:54:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

Your post is true.

So why, Kabar and all.....does Lindsay, Rubio, et al, want this thing?

Rush Limbaugh asks the same thing.

Why do the Repubs, who have the most to lose with this thing, WANT IT?


96 posted on 06/16/2013 7:54:16 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: bray; Fishtalk
We have no business in Syria.

Well I generally agree with that, including boots on the ground in virtually any moslem hot-spot....BUT!...

Fishtalk: I don’t know what to make of Syria, Bray. A well-placed bomb would put an end to that.

We fab up awesome hardware which can generally, or specifically, do a lot of needed "corrections" from 20,000 feet. A basic concept I think Clinton had right (except where he applied it).

97 posted on 06/16/2013 7:57:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Fishtalk

We will never see another Rep as governor of MD in our lifetime.


98 posted on 06/16/2013 7:58:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PaleoBob

“Even Cheney is old news by now,”

Some interesting points about Mr. Cheney.
1. during Nixon’s first term Mr. Chaney was responsible for the regime’s Price Controls over-site committee - 3000 IRS comrades responsible for stifling America’s businesses.

2. Mr. Cheney as well as most republicans have no issues with the over reach that is the Patriot Act. Whom are they protecting? The Elites, like themselves?

3. Mr. Cheney does not like Mr. Obama, oh well. But Mr. Cheney (loves?) has great respect for the people Mr. Obama employes at the NSA.

Big G’ment by Republicans or Democrats - what is the difference? I see no honer amongst these thieves. And yes there are always a few exceptions - Ted Cruz comes to mind


99 posted on 06/16/2013 8:00:54 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: kabar
Ironically, no one pays any attention to what immigration policy should be.It should be only something that helps the US!! Not costs us!

We have laws that protect Cuban refugees from the tyranny that is the Castro rule in Cuba.

That's the way things should be. If you live under a communist regime where people are under threat of a gun 24/7 and you can escape, we should be a bastion of freedom for those who can get here under those circumstances. Illegal immigration that way is correct and the way our forefathers had envisioned the country.

Allowing anyone who can cross our border since they want to smuggle drugs, engage in terrorism or just make a fatter buck is sheer folly.

This is illegal entry and should have been stopped years ago.!!

The world had 7 billion citizens. Perhaps two billion would live here if they could.

How do we deny the best and brightest of even a minuscule percentage of these citizens US citizenship while allowing border crossers amnesty?

Its an insane policy and no one is talking about it.!!!

100 posted on 06/16/2013 8:05:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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