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3 Former NSA Employees Praise Edward Snowden, Corroborate Key Claims
The Atlantic ^ | June 18, 2013 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 06/18/2013 4:37:20 PM PDT by BfloGuy

USA Today has published an extraordinary interview with three former NSA employees who praise Edward Snowden's leaks, corroborate some of his claims, and warn about unlawful government acts.

Thomas Drake, William Binney, and J. Kirk Wiebe each protested the NSA in their own rights. "For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens," the newspaper reports. "They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media."

In other words, they blew the whistle in the way Snowden's critics suggest he should have done. Their method didn't get through to the members of Congress who are saying, in the wake of the Snowden leak, that they had no idea what was going on. But they are nonetheless owed thanks.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: benghazi; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; snowden
He's not the only one.

He's just the one who didn't do it through proper channels -- because proper channels are designed to quash any dissent.

1 posted on 06/18/2013 4:37:20 PM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: BfloGuy

That said, what was the impact
of what they reported?

NOTHING.

Corruption is interwoven with the US government in a way
NEVER seen in the history of what was once a free country.


2 posted on 06/18/2013 4:41:49 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: BfloGuy

“It seems to me, that’s where our focus should be on how there could be a betrayal of trust and how a traitor could do something like this to the American people.”

Michele Bachmann


3 posted on 06/18/2013 4:42:14 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: BfloGuy

IBTFWWESSOS.

In Before The FReepers Who Want Edward Snowden Shot On Sight.

(Who needs to bother with a trial?)


4 posted on 06/18/2013 4:44:13 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: BfloGuy
"proper channels are designed to quash any dissent.

Exactly.

5 posted on 06/18/2013 4:45:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: BfloGuy

No prob. Soon the FR liberal wing will soon arrive to call them traitors as well. Because after years of conservatives pleading for someone inside to come forward at great risk to themselves and their families, the best thing to do is scream TRAITOR! to encourage more to come forward.


6 posted on 06/18/2013 4:45:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: null and void

I’m waiting to hear someone say that this data was used to target conservative groups. If it comes out that this data was used for political purposes to swing an election it’s all over.


7 posted on 06/18/2013 4:51:15 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Diogenesis
I agree...I am completely astounded at those whom we once trusted as champions of Freedom. They seem absolutely oblivious to the fact that everyone has been made aware of the level corruption.

Karl Rove and the old lineup at Fox have proved they are for a nanny state, so they didn't surprise me, but I actually felt sorry for the Cheneys this past week.

8 posted on 06/18/2013 4:52:18 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Irenic

“Michele Bachmann”

Yeah, I heard her today. It seems as though Obama will win again by intimidating enough people. He’s got the Republicans who are all enthused for a lynching of Snowden and any journalist who takes him seriously. I do suspect the NSA has some powerful dirt on her.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 4:54:05 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: BfloGuy

They need to get themselves before congress now


10 posted on 06/18/2013 4:54:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: hoosiermama
"They need to get themselves before congress now

They apparently tried that and got nowhere. It is much worse than we all suspected.

11 posted on 06/18/2013 4:56:37 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: JimSEA

Enough that she isn’t running for re-election.


12 posted on 06/18/2013 4:58:13 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Earthdweller
It is much worse than we all suspected.

That's exactly my take. It's bad. And Bolton's and Cheney's full-throated defense of it has shaken me.

13 posted on 06/18/2013 5:01:58 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The Eurozone policy might best be described as "Laurel and Hardy Carry a Piano Upstairs.")
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To: peeps36
If it comes out that this data was used for political purposes to swing an election it’s all over.

You mean like, if, say, the IRS was used to prevent TEA part supporters from forming 501(c)3s in time to promote conservative viewpoints before the election it would be all over?

Hypothetically, of course, since the IRS would never dare do such a thing...without direct orders!

14 posted on 06/18/2013 5:04:40 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: BfloGuy

Rhut Ro!


15 posted on 06/18/2013 5:04:42 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: kjam22

That’s my suspicion as well.


16 posted on 06/18/2013 5:04:49 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: BfloGuy
Can he make it to Iceland in time?


17 posted on 06/18/2013 5:04:51 PM PDT by drewh
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To: JimSEA

She hired King RINO to tank her campaign and helped clear the decks for Romney. That’s all anyone who cares about the truth in this really needs to know about where her loyalties lie.

And boy do they lie.


18 posted on 06/18/2013 5:05:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: JimSEA
I do suspect the NSA has some powerful dirt on her.

She's a witch, you know...

};^P>

19 posted on 06/18/2013 5:05:57 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: drewh

I heard he just popped up on the grid in Naples.


20 posted on 06/18/2013 5:06:50 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: peeps36

if they can tap an collect all emails and phone calls,
taping electronic voting to steal the election would be a
piece of cake


21 posted on 06/18/2013 5:07:37 PM PDT by jonose
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To: BfloGuy

I lived through Watergate and this is how the leaks unfolded that drove Nixon to resign. Painfully slow. Drip... drip... drip...


22 posted on 06/18/2013 5:08:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Italy or Florida?


23 posted on 06/18/2013 5:09:45 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I guarantee that this is gonna be a movie someday...


24 posted on 06/18/2013 5:12:03 PM PDT by drewh
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To: BfloGuy

The majority of Americans have no idea they have lost America. Before King Obama leaves America will not have the resources to defend ourselves and our freedoms will be gone. Guess they prefer communism.


25 posted on 06/18/2013 5:14:03 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Irenic

I assumed Florida. I’m not very exotic in my thinking.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 5:16:05 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Irenic

Maybe Francis has some outposts... and he doesn’t extradite!


27 posted on 06/18/2013 5:17:20 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Ah.

A couple of days ago I started to think that maybe he was in the states, that made more sense than Hong Kong. (to me,anyhow)

Where did you hear/read this?

Oh, and thank you for the information and the reply.


28 posted on 06/18/2013 5:22:58 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic
lol...sorry, I thought you were following the "Bourne" thing.

In the second movie, "Bourne Supremacy", all the secret squirrels are meeting, talking about how to find Jason Bourne, then a lackey comes running in and says "You're not gonna believe this. Jason Bourne just popped up on the grid in Naples."

He was talking about Italy, though.

29 posted on 06/18/2013 5:31:27 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

OH! hahahaha! Whoosh!

I’ve not watched those movies. Maybe I will...


30 posted on 06/18/2013 5:34:49 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

The first three are great (the Matt Damon ones). The fourth one with Jeremy Renner was crap.


31 posted on 06/18/2013 5:37:41 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater; Irenic

I too think he’s not in Hong Kong. Have said from the beginning he is still CIA


32 posted on 06/18/2013 5:39:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: BfloGuy

This has been going on a lot longer, in some degree, than is currently being discussed. The Starr report mentions Bill Clinton’s warning Monica to be more careful in their phone discussions as he believed his phone was being tapped by either a foreign government or the FBI. He knew what was going on then at least with respect to our government and “friendly” governments they likely had agreements with - consider Echelon and Carnivore. I recall being told in unclassified briefings to be careful - that all electronic communications in the world were being monitored, the implication was that the US was trying to be in strict compliance with the law and not monitoring its own citizens and the Brit’s likewise - each country was likely monitoring the other’s communications and if there was a threat letting the other have enough info to deal with it. This was during the Clinton administration, it sounds like things just evolved and with this administration there are no limits.


33 posted on 06/18/2013 5:39:22 PM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: Logical me
The majority of Americans have no idea they have lost America. Before King Obama leaves America will not have the resources to defend ourselves and our freedoms will be gone. Guess they prefer communism.

You are wrong; even if the funding for the Armed Forces were cut to zero we would have the resources to defend ourselves. (What is a militia?)
The resources wouldn't magically disappear even if the entire Federal Government did.

34 posted on 06/18/2013 6:07:45 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: BfloGuy

I can’t believe so many traitors have been bought off by the Chinese.


35 posted on 06/18/2013 6:34:18 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: BfloGuy

Thanks to the Lawyers, we now have what Engineers have known forever - a system built on feedback that approaches unity will destroy that system.


36 posted on 06/18/2013 6:38:04 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Painfully slow. Drip... drip... drip...

I was in high school when that all started. Was a staunch Republican but I remember how, after a couple years, you just got tired of the constant scandal. Make it go away.

37 posted on 06/19/2013 4:38:35 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The Eurozone policy might best be described as "Laurel and Hardy Carry a Piano Upstairs.")
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