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Decline and fall: how American society unravelled
Guardian UK ^ | The Guardian, Wednesday 19 June 2013 12.47 EDT | George Packer

Posted on 06/20/2013 10:36:14 AM PDT by Perdogg

Thirty years ago, the old deal that held US society together started to unwind, with social cohesion sacrificed to greed. Was it an inevitable process – or was it engineered by self-interested elites?

In or around 1978, America's character changed. For almost half a century, the United States had been a relatively egalitarian, secure, middle-class democracy, with structures in place that supported the aspirations of ordinary people. You might call it the period of the Roosevelt Republic. Wars, strikes, racial tensions and youth rebellion all roiled national life, but a basic deal among Americans still held, in belief if not always in fact: work hard, follow the rules, educate your children, and you will be rewarded, not just with a decent life and the prospect of a better one for your kids, but with recognition from society, a place at the table.

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1 posted on 06/20/2013 10:36:14 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SeekAndFind; SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 06/20/2013 10:36:36 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Perdogg

“Thirty years ago, the old deal that held US society together started to unwind, with social cohesion sacrificed to greed...”

Started off with a bang...then saw the word “greed”.

Error, error.

Earth to Guardian dolts, the word “greed” should be replaced with the word “progressives”.

And don’t be smug, we’re just following you folks. You’ll have your war with Islam and Socialism sooner than we.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 10:38:59 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Perdogg

Roosevelt Republic?
History rewrites itself once again.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 10:39:39 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Da Coyote

5 posted on 06/20/2013 10:41:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Da Coyote

I don’t agree with everything this guys says, but he does hit the truth here and there.


6 posted on 06/20/2013 10:41:32 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: poobear

I thought the same thing. Roosevelt (both of them) dragged us into this mess. If we could turn back the tides, we’d be much better off.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 10:41:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: poobear

“Roosevelt Republic?”

Ha! I saw that, too.

I never thought of the two, in any way correlated.


8 posted on 06/20/2013 10:42:40 AM PDT by SMARTY (“The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. “Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Perdogg

They have it exactly backwards.

If this is what they now believe in England, no wonder Great Britain is broke after being an astounding empire that the sun never sat upon.


9 posted on 06/20/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Perdogg

Nah. Wasn’t ‘78.

It was ‘65, when the Kennedy crap really started to kick in.

The things they implemented were just cultural Marxist initiatives; the economic Marxism was implemented in the ‘30s by Roosevelt.

The 70’s was when it all started to bear fruit (rotten fruit, but fruit nonetheless). The 80’s was just a bump in the road, as the WWII generation tried to throw a rock on the track to Hell.

But they’re lives are finite, and they are almost gone now.

Been downhill ever since. And pouring tens of millions of desperate foreigners into the country is just gas on the fire.

Which is intentional.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 10:42:57 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Da Coyote

He’s making the case that free trade deconstructed society.

Not soley responsible, but you can make an argument that it played a significant part. Even uneducated males could hold down a decent paying job and maintain a marriage and a family back then. No longer possible.

Though you could just as easily argue that with the social decay the guys in those jobs today would still have bastard children running around and would just be spending that money on drugs or something now.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 10:43:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg

Abortion and identity politics, and those who gain their power from them, have ruined the country. Plain and simple.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 10:44:03 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

One of the most stalwart advocates of free trade was Karl Marx:

“Generally speaking, the Protective system in these days is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade.”


13 posted on 06/20/2013 10:45:57 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Perdogg

Agree...


14 posted on 06/20/2013 10:47:20 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Perdogg

Evidently, nothing happened in America between Carter and Obama


15 posted on 06/20/2013 10:47:49 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Perdogg

Why do these know-nothings in the UK feel they are able to opine about American history when in fact the material they present is rubbish?

> “In or around 1978, America’s character changed. For almost half a century, the United States had been a relatively egalitarian, secure, middle-class democracy, with structures in place that supported the aspirations of ordinary people.”

First off in 1978, America was facing its second oil crisis in 5 years leaving long lines at the pump. Interest rates were 18% with double digit inflation and high unemployment. This was Carter’s ‘Malaise’ and certainly Americans did not feel secure in any sense egalitarian or otherwise.

Secondly, the American government is not a democracy! Its elections are democratic but governance is carried out under a republican form of government.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 10:47:54 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: CrappieLuck

The author is almost exclusively focusing on Youngstown, Ohio, which has some unique local challenges.

Like taking a national poll with a sample size of 17.


17 posted on 06/20/2013 10:49:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg
Right around 1978 would be the start of the Carter/Reagan election.

It's interesting that the Guardian would peg the start at that time.

-PJ

18 posted on 06/20/2013 10:49:19 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Perdogg

American society didn’t unravel, democrats picked
it to pieces “improving” it.


19 posted on 06/20/2013 10:49:56 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Perdogg

An awful lot of pure drivel in that article.


20 posted on 06/20/2013 10:50:11 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Da Coyote

Yeah, he lost me there too. Typical Brit, equates capitalism with only greed.

I bet he likes his iPhone though ;)

Of course the breakdown of the family and moral values have nothing to do with it!! Thank you liberals.


21 posted on 06/20/2013 10:51:05 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Perdogg

Americas down fall can be easily traced....

1. The 19th amendment.
2. Group right’s becoming more important that Right’s of the Individual.
3. Removal of Prayer from the public schools.
4. Abortion legalized.

Yep...that pretty much covers it.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 10:56:34 AM PDT by mm427 (Repeal the 19th amendment.)
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To: fuzzylogic
Good grief. George Packer isn't a brit. He's been writing op Ed's like this for while in support of his pov and book.
23 posted on 06/20/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Perdogg
In the 1960's those who formed this country, and operated its government over the centuries collapsed and abdicated their right to govern. The Third World eagerly stepped up and is in the process of taking control. Already the descendants of the white former governors are being beaten on the streets; their children cannot get into school and upon graduation must wait until the Third World ethnic studies major has his place in a government job-(as jobs in the private sector with few exceptions are largely gone.). The few large private companies still remaining largely hire minorities. My local Wells Fargo branch is all black with the exception of a Mexican female. When they do a service for you they have a cook book on how to do it. If the cook book does not handle the transaction they have a center they can call. (I saw the aforementioned.)

The above is the price my children for equality and surrendering the right to govern. At least you can gaze into your new masters shiny black face and sigh how wonderful you are.

24 posted on 06/20/2013 10:57:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rarestia; SMARTY

Great minds... I love how they throw in Bull Chit over Horse Chit! Like it will stink less!


25 posted on 06/20/2013 10:58:06 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Perdogg

Karl Marx HATED the middle class and the Capitalist system.

So here we sit in 2013, implementing Marxist idea after Marxist idea after Marxist idea - and the people who bring us this stuff sit in mystified wonder at where the middle class went.

This would be like the Nazis acting shocked that the Jewish population is disappearing...


26 posted on 06/20/2013 11:00:34 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: clintonh8r

He says that the scoial contract changed in 1978 but actually the whole social compact changed in 1973 with Roe v. Wade.


27 posted on 06/20/2013 11:01:49 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: poobear

The bottom is it all has to do with leftists...either DIMocRAT or republican. Pox on all of them.


28 posted on 06/20/2013 11:02:08 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: Perdogg

Multiculturalism killed the USA. Everything else is a footnote.


29 posted on 06/20/2013 11:03:24 AM PDT by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

My thought too. Why not just come out and peg it at 1980.


30 posted on 06/20/2013 11:04:15 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Perdogg
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade.

Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

We are not the same country we were 30 years ago. We are importing millions of uneducated, unskilled people--87% of whom are minorities as defined by the USG. We are becoming Balkanized along racial, ethnic, and linguistic lines. Tribal politics is the result.

31 posted on 06/20/2013 11:06:01 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg

Although well-intended, the Civil Rights Act was the first knife in Uncle Sam’s back. It created ‘protected classes’ where we were no longer Americans, only ‘groups’. Next came the women’s liberation movement, led by man-hater lesbians such as Bella Abzug and Gloria Steinem. The family unit became broken, females assumed the male role resulting in broken marriages. The divorce rate skyrocketed and perhaps worst of all, boys became emasculated without a father in the house. Case and point, Barack Hussein 0bama. He is the embodiment of how feminism destroyed America. He is not a man. He throws like a girl. He is obsessed with style over substance. He is a celebrity, not a leader.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 11:07:39 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Perdogg

Interesting that they admit our society has unraveled. They are far off on the reasons for it. The main reason as I see it can be summed up in 1 word- Liberalism. And the tools of liberalism used to dismantle the greatest society that ever existed ie multiculturalism, feminism, govt dependency, affirmative action, moral decay, and contempt for the constitution.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 11:16:02 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Perdogg
Was it an inevitable process – or was it engineered by self-interested elites?

I'll take 'will-to-power driven monsters' for $50, Alex.

34 posted on 06/20/2013 11:21:08 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: oblomov
“Generally speaking, the Protective system in these days is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade.”

And Marx was right with that quote. Free trade is destructive and it does work to break up nationalities and national borders.

That's why the first step toward a unified Europe was free trade and the EEC, and then on to the destruction of national sovereignty and the grand EU.

And free trade is the first step to break up nationalities and national borders in the Western Hemisphere, and then on to some sort of North American Unionm, or whatever.

Large numbers of Americans who think they're just supporting free trade like they learned in college are unwittingly serving the purpose of those who do want to see an end to US sovereingty and the creation of a larger, borderless hemisphere and world.

35 posted on 06/20/2013 11:24:29 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Tzimisce

Check the comments below the Guardian article. Constant referencing of Marx. Disgusting.


36 posted on 06/20/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: Perdogg

Hindsight is always 20/20 vision. Except distorted by nostalgia, the current agenda, ignorance of history or current events, etc. In other words, the “good old days” were not seen as particularly good at the time.

The author bemoans the loss of American industrialism, but America moved away from industrialism because we were no longer competitive, and we didn’t want the pollution and other stuff that came with it. Who wants to do hard work in a steel mill when you can get paid almost as much, or more, for a desk job?

Charles Bronson was raised to be a coal miner, until he discovered that acting was where it’s at. At least compared to coal mining.

And a lot of today’s asocial or antisocial behavior was also voluntary. Kids were and are raised to *not* hang out with each other. Like the kids on South Park, your “friends” are just the kids you meet at the bus stop.

When you grow up, you want to get a home, get married, have kids, etc. You do not give two hoots *where* this is, or if any of your friends will live nearby. Zero “community”.


37 posted on 06/20/2013 11:32:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Will88

Whatchyou talkin’ ‘bout Willis?


38 posted on 06/20/2013 11:33:04 AM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: Perdogg

ping


39 posted on 06/20/2013 11:37:10 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Perdogg

Government policies are the symptom. Most FReepers make the error of thinking that the symptom is the same as the cause.

The cause is the thinking that man is good, man is smart, man can solve his own problems, and that man can solve any problem acting as his own higher power.

Progressivism is simply the vehicle to advance the belief.


40 posted on 06/20/2013 11:39:44 AM PDT by lurk
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To: ogen hal

They seem to think “they’ve got theirs” and they could be right. In the meantime their compassion for people are limited to people who think like them. Democracy? Yes. Finally they have arrived! Everything eventually comes out in the wash. Lots of carcases in the dryer vent tho. Especially those who disagree. They will run out of other people’s money eventually. Well, already have. Fact Jack!


41 posted on 06/20/2013 11:41:04 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Perdogg

Identity politics, along with the surging dependent class, combined with the breakdown in the family structure caused a shift from rugged, traditional individualism to a clamoring for the government to provide virtually everything.


42 posted on 06/20/2013 11:51:20 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL!


43 posted on 06/20/2013 11:57:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Perdogg
Decline and fall: how American society WAS unravelled

Anybody who thinks it wasn't intentional at the highest levels is not awake and doesn't know their history.

44 posted on 06/20/2013 12:07:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: PATRIOT1876

The Guardian is an ultra-left newspaper that does not represent British thought. The UK also has right-of-center daily newspapers, which is more than can be said of the US.


45 posted on 06/20/2013 12:09:22 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Da Coyote
Earth to Guardian dolts, the word “greed” should be replaced with the word “progressives”.

Right on. Greed comes in all forms. Greed for power, as the progressives practice, is still greed.

My theory is the 60's college radicals who saw that they could bring a university to it's knees by "sitting in" took that a huge step farther by now wanting to bring long standing institutions to their knees for greed of power (if alone) and replacing those institutions with those of their own making. They are the post 60's democrats of today.

They were spoiled brats then and are spoiled brats now.

46 posted on 06/20/2013 12:15:14 PM PDT by llevrok (We are in a new Cold War. At home.)
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To: Perdogg

Revisionist history. It was FDR who started us down the road to socialist hell.


47 posted on 06/20/2013 12:20:01 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: llevrok

Moral relativism and envy.


48 posted on 06/20/2013 12:22:07 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed, haters love to nuke other haters too.


49 posted on 06/20/2013 12:42:30 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed, socialist political exploitation of the people by politicians and singers and what not, became the good thing to do, while using your own ingenuity and Republic became smoehow evil, despite using no exploited service labor, quite an independent profit.

Progressives’ greed lay at their own feet of calling the engineer greedy while getting votes and moneys for mere notes on a partition from people. It is that stupid. And the nation is still being taken apart, dismantled and dissolved with illegal immigration in the name of stopping greed.

The sad part is that sick rhetoric works. Latinos will vote down the Republic and bring in the same democratic trash they tried to avoid back home back into their own US neighborhoods. SMH.


50 posted on 06/20/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by lavaroise
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