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Priests to Pelosi: condemn abortion or leave the Church
dailycaller.com ^ | 6-20-2013 | Katie McHugh

Posted on 06/20/2013 12:32:22 PM PDT by servo1969

A pro-life group called on California Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi to “exercise your duties as a public servant and a Catholic, or have the honesty to formally renounce them,” in a widely-circulated open letter Wednesday.

“Public servants are supposed to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. Apparently, you can’t,” wrote national director of Priests for Life Father Frank Pavone. “Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder.”

Pavone’s letter was written in response to the Minority Leader’s argument with a reporter — The Weekly Standard asked Pelosi to clarify her position on abortion in the wake of the Kermit Gosnell case during a press conference Thursday.

“What is the moral difference between what Dr. Gosnell did to a baby born alive at 23 weeks and aborting her moments before birth?” the reporter asked.

Pelosi dismissed the question and equated Gosnell’s crimes with pro-life activists’ condemnation of abortion.

“What was done in Philadelphia was reprehensible and everybody condemned it. For them to decide to disrespect a judgment a woman makes about her reproductive health is reprehensible,” she said. “Next question.”

When pressed for an answer, Pelosi pushed back harder, telling the reporter abortion should not be a political matter.

“As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics. And that’s where you’re taking it and I’m not going there,” Pelosi said, according to the press conference transcript.

In response to Pelosi, Pavone wrote that Pelosi’s answer violated both her duties as a public servant and a practicing Catholic.

“Abortion is not sacred ground; it is sacrilegious ground. To imagine God giving the slightest approval to an act that dismembers a child he created is offensive to both faith and reason,” Pavone wrote. “And to say that a question about the difference between a legal medical procedure and murder should not ‘have anything to do with politics’ reveals a profound failure to understand your own political responsibilities, which start with the duty to secure the God-given right to life of every citizen.”

“Whatever Catholic faith you claim to respect and practice, it is not the faith that the Catholic Church teaches,” Pavone continued. “And I speak for countless Catholics when I say that it’s time for you to stop speaking as if it were.”


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KEYWORDS: abortion; belongsinnews; catholic; pavone; pelosi; priest; uglyskank
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To: servo1969

About time this liar got called out.


41 posted on 06/20/2013 1:06:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: servo1969

Hey. There’s always Dolan. Ask Slow Joe.


42 posted on 06/20/2013 1:07:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ThomasMore; All

Indeed. Her private excommunication would not seem to do her much good if it hasn’t convinced her of the gravity of her situation.

Because remember (all), the real point of excommunication is to help the one excommunicated, not to say to them, “Begone dirty sinner, rot in Hell!”

No, the real point of excommunication is to let the person know they are in grave danger of hellfire if they don’t change their ways immediately. Her private excommunication does not seem to have had this effect. Maybe a public one would.

Or maybe not. Again, returning to the point of an excommunication (to help a person), if a public one would make her even more obstinate, her local ordinary may feel it could harm her more than help her. That MAY be the thinking here.

Thinking rooted ultimately in the feel good, Kumbaya type of Catholicism from the 60s and 70s, and the bishopric we now “enjoy” from that era.

IOW, in 20-30 years, when the pendulum has swung away from that dark time in Church history, and we enjoy a more orthodox bishopric, we may see a greater willingness to use such a last resort. Or perhaps not.

Because again, it’s for the sinner not the Church that one is excommunicated. Let’s remember that and keep this wretched woman (and those like her) in our prayers.


43 posted on 06/20/2013 1:17:00 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: servo1969
“Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder.”

Why is someone's Right to Life dependent on anatomical "geography"?

On one side of your mother's cervix, you have a right to life; on the other side you can be dismembered at will.

44 posted on 06/20/2013 1:17:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: onedoug

While we’re on the subject, how about Cuomo?


45 posted on 06/20/2013 1:18:52 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: servo1969

the outcry from his fellow Baptists would be audible from Tanzania.”

Raised as a Southern Baptist and I can guarantee you there would be a huge uproar.

Went to a Christmas program when I first came to Houston in the mid-80’s at one of the Baptist churches. First half was secular. There were people dancing on the stage. My son leaned over and mentioned that his grandmother was probably rolling over in her grave to think that we were watching such a display in the church.


46 posted on 06/20/2013 1:19:57 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: servo1969

It’s about damn time! Now let’s see some follow through the next time she tries to get communion.


47 posted on 06/20/2013 1:21:37 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: ThomasMore; All

Another possibility is that her local bishop has already explained to her that she has excommunicated herself privately, but she refuses to accept it. Thus, he sees no need to publicize her excommunication as it would do no good.

If that’s the case though, his excellency should instruct her parish priest to withhold the Sacrament of the Eucharist from her until she confesses her sin.

Who knows though. Keep her in prayer.


48 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:04 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: PATRIOT1876

well.... i’m not blaming her for this, but just coincidentally perhaps ,... the church in this link is located in her congressional district close to her office

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/ChaplainsHandbook.html


49 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:31 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: no-to-illegals

May it be so!

Must ping this one out...


50 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: servo1969

Pelosi answers only to Satan.


51 posted on 06/20/2013 1:25:02 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: rigelkentaurus
A priest has NO authority to excommunicate anyone. A bishop does have that authority, provided that person falls within his diocese.

IMO, two bishops have the authority to excommunicate a pro-abortion congressthing: The bishop of the congressthing's home diocese, and the Archbishop of Washington. So ... IMO, if you wish to express your concerns to someone with the authority to act on them, communicating with those two bishops would be appropriate.

52 posted on 06/20/2013 1:31:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rigelkentaurus

If the Church cracks down on members who support abortion, it could lose a lot of members.

You can’t just crack down on the famous.

She should have been excommunicated years ago.

Today’s Catholic Church is a non-profit secular organization with the trappings of a religion. It’s already losing members and doesn’t want to lose more.

So it’s rules are meaningless, aren’t followed and haven’t been followed for years.

The Catholic Church left me long ago. Thank God intermediaries (be they churches or people) are not required for salvation.


53 posted on 06/20/2013 1:36:44 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: servo1969

Why should the Aemrican Catholic Church be different from the rest of America?

* Growing tolerance for pederasty? Check!
* No one gets thrown out of either of the two political parties? Check!

I believe excommunication is practiced in other countries, as is eviction from political parties. As for tolerance for what most here happily call ‘gaiety’, that’s a worldwide disease.


54 posted on 06/20/2013 1:41:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Nancy Pants left the Catholic Church many years ago.

She just recently met with the Pope and received communion at the Vatican, she seems golden.

Dittos for Biden.

55 posted on 06/20/2013 1:44:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: M Kehoe

Perhaps hanging over the line like a well used dusty carpet?


56 posted on 06/20/2013 2:03:25 PM PDT by glyptol
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Too bad Salvatore Cordileone doesn’t have Frank Pavone’s spine.


57 posted on 06/20/2013 2:06:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: servo1969

Did Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore or Bill Moyers ever get excommunicated by the Baptists?


58 posted on 06/20/2013 2:13:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: MrB
unless there is some official rejection of her membership in the church by someone who matters.

That will happen during her particular judgment unless Salvatore Cordileone steps up and does his job prior to her demise.

59 posted on 06/20/2013 2:16:25 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: servo1969

“I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics.”

Idiot Pelosi...politicians (including YOU) are deciding what is legal which includes abortion. It is political, you brain dead, over-Botoxed moron!


60 posted on 06/20/2013 2:18:18 PM PDT by kcvl
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