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Ghosts of Waco (Jeff Knox: Revelations involving cover-up could bring down Obama machine)
WND ^ | June 20, 2013 | Jeff Knox

Posted on 06/20/2013 9:26:45 PM PDT by Perseverando

Could they end the reign of Obama?

Could the tragic events of Waco in 1993 bring down the president and the Democratic machine after 20 years? Mike McNulty, producer of the Emmy Award winning, Academy Award nominated documentary “Waco: Rules of Engagement” and its follow-up films, “Waco, A New Revelation” and “The FLIR Project,” believes it could. McNulty says that the close ties between the Waco atrocity and members of the Obama administration – including Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and powerful congressional Democrats – could unravel the administration and the entire Washington Democratic power structure.

McNulty insists that Hillary Clinton in particular was deeply involved in the Waco debacle and in the multiple cover-ups that followed, and that criminal prosecutions could be brought against her and others. “There’s no statute of limitations on murder,” says McNulty.

That’s a pretty dramatic allegation, but McNulty says he believes that’s where the evidence leads, and no one knows the evidence of the Waco tragedy better than McNulty. He and his experts were given unprecedented access to the Waco files and evidence locker during the making of the documentaries, and they carefully cataloged what they found – including items that were incorrectly identified in the records.

McNulty is no wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, either. As a matter of fact, he was credited with debunking a number of claims made by earlier documentarians who distorted the evidence to fit their own anti-government agendas. McNulty and his team went to extreme lengths to verify every detail and validate each assertion they have made regarding the event, and there is much damning evidence that is totally irrefutable. Actions of the government after the violent conclusion of the Waco siege, while not conclusive proof of wrongdoing, strongly suggest an organized, intentional effort to obscure and conceal the facts of

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 06/20/2013 9:26:45 PM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

IIRC, one Eric Holder was deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno when the massacre occurred.


2 posted on 06/20/2013 9:29:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I recall you did a lot of research into this, so I’m pinging you.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 9:29:58 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Nachum; LucyT

Let’s see where this goes.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 9:31:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Perseverando

Hillary and Web Hubble managed Waco on the day of the farm house was incinerated.

Janet Reno was sent away so that it would appear there would be no siege.

If anyone gets the blame, it would be this Clinton skank.

Little Miss Lefty sure knew how to manage an event.

Does this remind anyone of the fiasco in Benghazi, the same idiot making command decisions?


5 posted on 06/20/2013 9:31:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Perseverando
Obama or a Clinton is never going down!

Wish all you want but it will never happen in this country!

6 posted on 06/20/2013 9:33:20 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Perseverando

TWA800? Waco?

What the hell is going on here? Why are we revisiting these things from the 90s, when there are unsettled things from this administration?

I see this as running interference for Obama. They take the important issues of today off the front page.

Waco and Flight 800 deserve review. Not now. Get Obama out of there and we can talk about these things.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 9:34:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Perseverando

Gee, whatever happened to that front door, anyway? Maybe Lon Horiuchi has it.


8 posted on 06/20/2013 9:36:33 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

Too many holes going in, and no holes going out.


9 posted on 06/20/2013 9:39:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Perseverando

I have the McNulty films. Got them while the attempt to censor the 9.11 documentary was going on.

But here’s the interesting thing: an old friend, Jean Rosenfeld (she’s a cali/berserkeley liberal) told me she knew Koresh well, that the picture of him that was presented was not real, and that she’d spoken to him not long before the attack. Oh, and she’s a professor of comparative religion.

Anyway, I offered to show her the McNulty stuff. She told me she was forbidden to watch material not approved by her academic superiors.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 9:45:18 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: DoughtyOne

Because it started there, and it never stopped.

Why, exactly, do you think every single Obama admin cog is an old Clintonista?

You might not believe that. Check it.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 9:49:30 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Hardraade

Yes it did. It did start then.

Let me ask you this? If we couldn’t put this woman behind bars for what she did back then, what chance do we have of doing it today?

Once again, we are taking our eyes off the prize by going back to the 90s.

This is the Leftist play book. Misdirection!

We have enough crimes in the last 18 months to sink this ship of state. Please, lets not decide to focus on the Clintons instead right now.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 06/20/2013 9:55:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Hardraade

Forbidden! Geez...


14 posted on 06/20/2013 9:56:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Are you suggesting the center fuel tank exploded at Waco?


15 posted on 06/20/2013 10:00:09 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s not so unusual in academia. These critters are pretty rigid.

Still, Jean always managed to think for herself even if loyal to the system.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 10:04:28 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: umgud

No, but the center bunker did...

Actually there appeared to be a shaped charge hole in the bunker top. Of course the place was incinerated killing all the kids and adults in there.

You know all this, just sayin’...


17 posted on 06/20/2013 10:07:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: DoughtyOne

To get at the current system you need to know what happened then. And you need to know the current stressors .

Bill Clinton and Obama are new, in realterms, enemies. Also, Bill Clinton and Hillary are in real terms enemies. There’s a three-way “war in heaven”.

Lots of cracks to leverage :).


18 posted on 06/20/2013 10:09:36 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Hardraade

Well, it sounds like she was on the right track on this one.

I have accepted that Koresh was wounded. It would actually surprise me to find out he hadn’t been.

At the time, I thought he addressed his wound in phone conversations with the feds.


19 posted on 06/20/2013 10:10:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
"IIRC, one Eric Holder was deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno when the massacre occurred.

You recall correctly.

20 posted on 06/20/2013 10:10:48 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: DoughtyOne

And then there are the operators rolling out of the armored vehicle and firing into the house.


21 posted on 06/20/2013 10:13:47 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Hardraade

Both administrations were the most corrupt we’ve ever seen.

It is true that the staff are incestuous between the two administrations also.

In the illegal donations scandal from the Clinton administration alone, over 100 foreign nationals fled the nation rather than appear before the Congressional body investigating the affair.

I have always thought Hillary and Bill belonged behind bars. Barry should be serving time right down the hall too.

Of course minions from both administrations should be as well.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 10:14:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Hardraade
She told me she was forbidden to watch material not approved by her academic superiors.

Where is that Academic Freedom that tenure is supposed to be about when you need it?

23 posted on 06/20/2013 10:24:20 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: andyk

They put literally tons of highly flamable chemicals into the farm house to get the people to exit. Those chemicals were contra-indicated for use when children were present.

It would have killed the children all by itself, from what I understand. It’s toxic to kids. Reno was told not to use it. She authorized it’s use anyway.

Then they opened up the building, so the wind could blow through to fan the flames. As I mentioned a few moments ago, they also opened up that bunker so it would ventilate. Otherwise the fire would have chocked due to lack of oxygen.

They also had listening devices all over that farmhouse. When they pulled their track vehicles into the farmhouse, they purposefully drove over Davidians.

I have seen pictures of the mangled bodies from those track vehicles and the burned out bunker.

I have video of an FBI agent refusing to allow Koresh’s mom onto the farm to talk Koresh down. The agent says to her, “I hope you’ve already said your good-byes.”

Oh but they didn’t know the place was going to burn down and everyone would be killed. Assholes!

They scraped that property clean as a whistle destroying any evidence of the assassins they had using automatic weapons outside the house, so that nobody could flee.

I went out to dinner one evening with some friends of my wife. Shortly before we left to attend, I found out that the male of the third couple was an special ops FBI agent that had been at Waco.

The topic did come up. Rather than embarrass everyone there, I addressed the matter this way right to the guy’s face. I was asked for my opinion, and I said, “This is all I’ll say on the subject. People don’t realize this, but this nation can become as oppressive as the worst governments on record, if we are not vigilant. We must not let that happen.”

The guy wouldn’t say a word on the subject. I don’t blame him. One day I hope he understands how vile an operation he participated in. I doubt it though.


24 posted on 06/20/2013 10:29:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Pontiac

Lol. I think she was on her way to full professorship back then and still had to follow guidance.

Still managed to upset quite a few people being too independent-minded.

We don’t quite agree on what islam is, but other than that, she’s pretty sound.


25 posted on 06/20/2013 10:39:07 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: america-rules
Obama or a Clinton is never going down!

Is that you, Rush?

26 posted on 06/20/2013 10:44:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder

he assisted in the prosecution of Democratic Congressman John Jenrette for bribery discovered in the Abscam sting operation.[10] In 1988, President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.[11]


27 posted on 06/20/2013 11:16:22 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: andyk

The op was very weird.

Yhe infrared films are a revelation, how the fire exploded inside the house following the ventilation shafts. It fried every room in seconds.

And how many knows, or remember, that there were troops involved in the attack? Not just US, but British troops?


28 posted on 06/20/2013 11:19:11 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: DoughtyOne
Get Obama out of there and we can talk about these things.

The biggest obstruction to justice in this administration has been Eric Holder.

Get him out of the picture, and some serious armor goes away.

He was Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno when the Waco massacre occurred.

One of the deputy AGs had allegedly checked into the 'wisdom' of introducing CS with a methylene chloride carrier agent into the building, which was done with combat engineer vehicles. (Rep. Sonny Bono--later killed in a 'skiing accident' -had staffers look into that and found exposure would not be safe for the occupants, in just a few hours--and commented to that effect in the hearings.)

Allegedly, the DOJ at the time took a couple of days to look into the matter of using CS.

CS is banned in warfare, methylene chloride is an active ingredient in carburetor cleaners. Neither is good for children and other living things, and there were infants to adults in the building. Methylene Chloride burns well, too, and it wasn't long afterward that the facility, the inhabitants, and much of the evidence was incinerated.

With a frame structure which had an accelerant liberally sprayed inside, with holes which would act as a flue poked in the shell of the structure (and damaged the structure, making internal movement difficult), the use of pyrotechnic tear gas rounds virtually guaranteed a lethal conflagration, whether or not there was gunfire from outside to deter exit from the structure, as some have claimed.

You may recall all this, but I am pointing it out for the benefit of those who do not.

29 posted on 06/20/2013 11:27:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You’re right Smokin’ Joe. It’s one of a myriad of important issues that seemed too mundane to be addressed in Congressional hearings.

Instead the FBI agents were allowed to lie their asses off with almost no push-back at all. A number of them were promoted to boot.

Note that I did mention the tear gas chemicals and the problems with them as it related to being caustic and highly flammable.

You probably did a better job than I did though, and it’s an important enough issue, that I’m glad to have more than one person address it. Some people aren’t familiar with all the problems at Waco. This will be new to them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3033862/posts?page=24#24


30 posted on 06/20/2013 11:41:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: DoughtyOne; Hardraade

It’s important because sometimes the key to unwinding the present lies in the past.

If the Leftist play book involves misdirection, then whoever tried to lead us astray has fielded a poor misdirect.

Why do I say that?

Because it leads straight to Eric Holder. More importantly, it ties into the Clintons, and that leads us to David Rockefeller.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 11:50:39 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Hardraade

Those fellows deserve a traitor’s death.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 11:58:12 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SatinDoll; Hardraade; Smokin' Joe

You folks are touching on Holder, and I think it’s justified to do so. And yes, if we could take him down, that would be great.

I remember all the times we really thought we had either one of the Clintons or one of their goons on the rocks back in the 90s. Did it happen?

Now we have obama overseeing a myriad of crimes. We have the administration dead to rights. I think we should go after him now. Where was he on the night of 09/11/2012? Why didn’t we send help? How was Hillary involved, and just how much control did she have over what did and didn’t take place that night?

You folks seem to think Holder could be taken down, and then it would spur more sound investigations of Obama. I doubt it. Obama would simply replace Holder with another crook.

IMO, we focus on Obama and Hillary Clinton, either taking him down or killing her 2016 aspirations, hopefully both.

We’ll see what comes of this. I’m not always right.


33 posted on 06/21/2013 12:00:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Perseverando

“...could bring down Obama machine)...”

Always get a chuckle when I see those words. It indicates without possibility of error that the writer simply has no comprehension of the sort of hero worship that got Obama elected and is keeping Obama in office.

He could turn out to be a North Korean agent whose hobby is buggering goats and is keeping young male sex slaves in the Oval Office closet while using George Washington’s portrait as a dart board and wipes his *ss with copies of the constitution, and that ‘certain segment’ of the population would still mindlessly intone, “He’s the greatest... He’s the greatest.... He’s the greatest...”


34 posted on 06/21/2013 12:51:24 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Let’s see where this goes.

World Net Daily

The story goes nowhere.

35 posted on 06/21/2013 1:15:34 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Perseverando

If they couldn’t bring these KILLERS to Justice back when they BURNED 83 INNOCENT, MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN, then Nothing will get them, here on earth. God however......


36 posted on 06/21/2013 1:58:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I remember all the times we really thought we had either one of the Clintons or one of their goons on the rocks back in the 90s. Did it happen?

For starters, the Oklahoma City bombing happened.

Now, consider that the Waco Investigation/hearings were scheduled in Congress...

...The "Assault Weapons Ban" was on the way to being repealed (not just sunsetting after 10 years--repeal would have been a reversal of the Clinton Agenda)...

and Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge) was going to have his day in court, with Gerry Spence as his attorney (pro bono!)..

And the timing of the OKC bombing could not have been worse for any Patriot cause.

Any Islamist connection was promptly ignored and apologies were made to CAIR the same morning as the bombing, despite the description of the two John Does, in favor of blaming the Patriot/Militia movement, gun owners, and who are now described as "bitter clingers", without fail. That site, too, was bulldozed as rapidly as possible, preventing any independent analysis on the ground, just like Waco.

The names and locations and dates may have changed, but the same style pervades, the same lies are told, and, allowing for attrition with time, the same people are involved.

The Clinton meme of ignoring any possible (Islamic) terrorist behaviour, continues to this day, and it was the progression of ignored events which led up to 9/11.

Taking down Hillary would buy a small amount of safety for the Republic, but pulling down the cronies, the behind the scenes people who are pulling the strings would be the ideal. Fat chance, but the fingerprints on both administrations, the whole modus operandi, is the same right down to the last whorl.

Find out who their kingmakers were, who gained, and you will find the man behind the curtain for this administration, too.

37 posted on 06/21/2013 2:54:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Let’s see where this goes.

You know where it's going.
The circular file.

38 posted on 06/21/2013 4:54:57 AM PDT by Vinnie (][p)
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sfl


39 posted on 06/21/2013 5:20:06 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: DoughtyOne

But if the two factions could be turned against each other?

They do like to throw others under the bus.


40 posted on 06/21/2013 5:27:41 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Perseverando

The obama machine is not going to be brought down, period. To bring down the obama machine one must eliminate:1. The main stream media. 2. The Democrat Party. 3. Self hating White elites. 4. The parasite class. 5. American haters. 6. Idiots that vote. 7. And in all probability, the Republican Party. As long as any of the above exist, the obama machine is safe. He could bite the heads off infants, drink their blood, and sodomize the corpses on the White House Lawn in front of every news camer in the Nation and no one would raise an eyebrow.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 5:37:24 AM PDT by sport
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To: Hardraade
Why, exactly, do you think every single Obama admin cog is an old Clintonista?

Or part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
42 posted on 06/21/2013 5:46:42 AM PDT by Old Yeller (You can't spell Stanley Ann without S-A-T-A-N)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Sonny Bono--later killed in a 'skiing accident'

Always had a problem believing that. He mocked the establishment politicians and he wasn't afraid to tell it like it was.

43 posted on 06/21/2013 5:51:13 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Perseverando
...and that criminal prosecutions could be brought against her and others.

And pigs could fly too.

44 posted on 06/21/2013 5:53:35 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Wilum

Me, too, at least the “accident” part. There was a Kennedy who met a similar fate. Seems a couple of escorts could cause any but the most expert skier to go places that were not healthy or collide with fixed objects well enough to explain the blunt force trauma.


45 posted on 06/21/2013 6:13:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well those are good comments. I’m not sure it would turn out like you think.


46 posted on 06/21/2013 6:16:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: old curmudgeon

Yes, they do...


47 posted on 06/21/2013 6:16:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Rememer, your home is your incinerator.


48 posted on 06/21/2013 6:20:01 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory

Yep... rather unsettling.


49 posted on 06/21/2013 6:30:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I’m not sure it would turn out like you think.

Me neither, but it's worth a try. There is nothing sure but death and taxes.

50 posted on 06/21/2013 6:37:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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