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Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman Open Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 21, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/21/2013 5:18:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 21st, is DAY #10 (of 2nd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. Yesterday they got a jury impanelled: [Day #9 Summary Here]

Yesterday they selected 6 primary jurists, and 4 alternates. All of the primary jurists are female. Here’s the breakdown:

B-29: A “Black-Hispanic” (?) nurse on an Alzheimer’s ward who has several children and lived in Chicago at the time of shooting.......

B-76: A white, middle-aged woman -- 40s who said Zimmerman had an “altercation with the young man. There was a struggle and the gun went off.”....... The state tried to strike her, but was denied.

B-37: A middle-aged white woman -- 50s who has worked for a chiropractor for 16 years and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford as “rioting.” .... She uused to have concealed weapons permit, but let it lapse. Her husband also has one.

B-51: A retired white woman -- 60s ...... She knew a good deal about the case, but said “I’m not rigid in my thinking.” She has been in Seminole County for nine years, is unmarried and has no kids.......

E-6: A young white woman -- 20s and mother who used to work in financial services.......... Her husband has guns. The state tried to strike her from the jury, but was denied.

E-40: A white woman in her 60s who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting.....She said she’s very well versed in cell phone technology, and has been a victim of crime.

The alternates are:

E54 a white male in his 60′s

B72 a mixed race male in his 20′s

E13 a white female in her 20′s

E28 a white female in her 50′s

Yesterday Judge Nelson also heard the last of the Frye hearing experts, and will rule on whether or not the jury will hear the conflicting testimony of audio experts about who was screaming for help on the 911 tapes.

If the defense loses, and Nelson lets that argument take place, they are in a pickle – Because their experts have claimed no-one can determine who is screaming, while the prosecution has claimed their experts reflect it was Trayvon’s voice calling for help.

They also have other business (various motions) to attend today.


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This jury [with alternates] was chosen in sequential order from the first 18 potential jurors. The remaining 22 never entered the mix.

The prosecution struck 4 [a black man and 3 white women] and the defense struck 4 [a white man, white woman, and 2 black women]

1 posted on 06/21/2013 5:18:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Bronzy; hoosiermama; Fawn; Beagle8U

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/11/watch-live-coverage-george-zimmerman-trial

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/s/news/trayvonmartin/

Click Orlando http://www.clickorlando.com/news/trayvo … index.html

Orlando Sentinel (Fox 35 live stream) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc … on-martin/

WESH http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florid … index.html

cfnews http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cf … artin.html

MyfoxOrlando http://www.myfoxorlando.com/category/23 … von-martin

CNN http://edition.cnn.com/US/

TruTV/InSession link: http://www.superusvoxtv.com/index.php/speciality/tru-tv


2 posted on 06/21/2013 5:20:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It doesn’t matter who is empaneled.

George is being framed for protecting himself from an enraged, out-of-control bully.

George needs to be released right after the bogus case against him his thrown out!


3 posted on 06/21/2013 5:21:08 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Based on what I’ve seen regarding the facts of this case in the MSM, the internet and Conservativetreehouse, if the information on these six is not fake, there is no way they get a conviction. Not even for involuntary manslaughter.


4 posted on 06/21/2013 5:23:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Al Sharpton and the Crumpmeisters are already singing their favorite song:

Can Mostly-White Panel Give ‘Equal Justice?’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-martin-attorney-question-zimmerman-jury-selection-can-mostly-white-panel-give-equal-justice/


5 posted on 06/21/2013 5:23:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

If the defense loses, and Nelson lets that argument take place, they are in a pickle – Because their experts have claimed no-one can determine who is screaming, while the prosecution has claimed their experts reflect it was Trayvon’s voice calling for help.


I sat on a jury on a highly technical case where this sort of thing happened. The impression the whole jury got was that the guys who could tell what it was were pompus and arrogant asses and the ones that claimed it was not exact science were the ones that sounded sincere and actually valued the truth. The effect was that the evidence being argued by the experts became irrelevant. The jurors thew it out as too ambiguous to be used in forming an opinion.


6 posted on 06/21/2013 5:26:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Can Mostly-White Panel Give ‘Equal Justice?’


That is an insulting, racist question. They are projecting and don’t even realize how they look to reasonable people.


7 posted on 06/21/2013 5:27:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: IbJensen

The cannonball express on the main line to conviction junction is running open throttle, all greens. Hopefully somewhere along the path a bridge is out but don’t bet on it given the power of a judge to influence a jury.

If the descriptions of the jurors is correct, this should end up in not guilty in a fair unbiased trial but like I said, the judge has the power to limit exactly what the jury hears and how they hear it.


8 posted on 06/21/2013 5:30:55 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: cuban leaf

Beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the issue. Defense witness inserts the doubt.


9 posted on 06/21/2013 5:33:06 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: hoosiermama

Beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the issue.


Exactly. Frankly, the prosecution can scream and wave its arms for weeks about what an animal Zimmerman is. Then they show the pictures of zimerman’s body, grass stains, etc. along with the ONLY injuries to martin beyond the gunshot wound. Specifically, his hands.

They then claim self defense, rest their case and Zimmerman walks.

I exagerate. But if the jury is actually reasonable people, only slightly.

As you said, reasonable doubt.


10 posted on 06/21/2013 5:35:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Mouton; cuban leaf; hoosiermama
If the descriptions of the jurors is correct, this should end up in not guilty in a fair unbiased trial but like I said, the judge has the power to limit exactly what the jury hears and how they hear it.

Yep -- and this showed up loud and clear in court yesterday when O'Mara was trying to explain that the state bears the burden of disproving the defendant's claim of self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

Bernie objected. Nelson sustained the objection and then merely read the statute without clarification and said that there would be no explanation forthcoming -- that they will have to figure that out on their own.

11 posted on 06/21/2013 5:43:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

Then in February 2012 that initial suspension was followed four months later by another one, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it AND a pipe. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”Trayvon was again suspended. This time for ten days.

Martin tweeted under the handle “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,” an account that was closed shortly after his death.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz2Wr1lDVo2


12 posted on 06/21/2013 5:47:06 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Uncle Chip; MinuteGal

Leni, you may enjoy the daily discussion thread posted by uncle Chip!


13 posted on 06/21/2013 5:49:55 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I thought the self defense argument was a presumption similar to the notion a letter sent is deemed a letter received, kind of like an affirmative defense which must be overcome by the prosecution, not the other way around.


14 posted on 06/21/2013 5:51:55 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: PLD; Uncle Chip

As I understand currently none of his past history will be presented to the jury. That will change however if the da screws up and tries to present positive evidence. 3——2——1 It will be presented eventually is my guess !

Correct me if I’m wrong U C


15 posted on 06/21/2013 5:56:11 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Bernie objected. Nelson sustained the objection and then merely read the statute without clarification and said that there would be no explanation forthcoming — that they will have to figure that out on their own.


Which they will/have.

The thing about this case is that it is being conducted in a fish bowl. And the jurors are not idiots. Usually...


16 posted on 06/21/2013 5:56:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: hoosiermama; Uncle Chip
"You may enjoy the daily discussion thread posted by uncle Chip!"

I read it faithfully, Hoosiermama. His daily thread is a real service to interested Florida freepers......and I thank him wholeheartedly for his hard work!

Leni

17 posted on 06/21/2013 5:58:19 AM PDT by MinuteGal (SO)
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To: Uncle Chip

They better be glad MY wife is NOT on the jury... No matter what info I give her, she keeps saying... “Zimmerman had NO BUSINESS being involved in this... he should have called 911 and stayed in the car”.

She would DEFINITELY find him guilty... of something.


18 posted on 06/21/2013 5:58:28 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them f)
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To: Mouton

FWIO self defense is an assertion that the defendant must make [like insanity] and he is making it in this case, which means that the state must disprove it as part of their case.


19 posted on 06/21/2013 5:58:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: hoosiermama

Listening to MoM I get the feeling that regardless of what the da does some part of Martin’s past relating to his fighting prowess will make it into evidence.

I think the self defense statute allows the jury to consider the comparative differences between the two regarding fighting abilities. In that regard that picture of him at the 7 Eleven has to send chills down anyone’s spine.

I also don’t know how they keep the marijuana out of evidence since it’s in the medical report.


20 posted on 06/21/2013 6:09:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

If the da tries to argue its a one time use, the flood gate will open. Sure wish a drug expert could testify that skittles and the watermelon drink were two ingredients of a particular drug cocktail popular with young people. This jury would “get it”


21 posted on 06/21/2013 6:17:07 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: hoosiermama

Judge to allow use of the word “profiling”, “he confronted Trayvon Martin”, “wannabe cop”....


22 posted on 06/21/2013 6:29:01 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: hoosiermama
The pathetic parents have gotten rich off their thug sons death they will make sure nothing gets out they don't like..after all they have the two biggest thugs in history causing riots in the behalf of their sick child..Fat Al and the other scum J Jackson..
23 posted on 06/21/2013 6:30:56 AM PDT by PLD
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To: PLD

That’s Jesse Robinson Jackson ala mo Robinson 0
His half bro Noah is doing life for involvement with street gang El Ruhk—drugs/ murder for hire/ male female prostitution/ gun running to Libya

El Ruhks territory overlapped the community organized by xxxxxxxx 0


24 posted on 06/21/2013 6:38:29 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Uncle Chip
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25 posted on 06/21/2013 6:49:12 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Uncle Chip

9:50

Kathi Belich, WFTV@KBelichWFTV

The hearing is over. Court adjourned until 9 Monday morning


26 posted on 06/21/2013 6:54:22 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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Court recessed til Monday AM.


27 posted on 06/21/2013 6:54:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: sheikdetailfeather

9:47

Kathi Belich, WFTV@KBelichWFTV

The judge says she will rule today on whether the jury will hear from experts on who was heard screaming for help. #Zimmermanon9


28 posted on 06/21/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If she ruled on it I didn’t see it?


29 posted on 06/21/2013 7:02:40 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

I believe she will do it in writing. WFTV said she said she has no fax machine at home so I am not sure how it will be done but she has not ruled on it yet. WFTV people plan to come in on Sunday as a pre trial show.


30 posted on 06/21/2013 7:20:25 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

OK Thanks.


31 posted on 06/21/2013 7:27:29 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Uncle Chip

Got a take on the delay in ruling? Tactical delay to prevent appeal? Is she at least banning prosecution from referring to audio in opening?

Not thrilled about the “profiling” decision, either. Unseemly hurry here.


32 posted on 06/21/2013 7:30:04 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Sentinel reporter said she said “by Monday morning”. Delaying the ruling would prevent another trip to the court of appeals if it goes the wrong way.


33 posted on 06/21/2013 7:39:57 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Thanks. I had missed all of this morning and when I tuned in they were ending for the day. LOL!


34 posted on 06/21/2013 7:43:30 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: ArmstedFragg

The hypocrisy here is stunning:

The state is arguing that the jury hear its voodoo experts, especially one who is clearly hearing things, and let the jury decide if they are credible.

But when it comes to hearing from the first responders on the scene testifying to what they heard Zimmerman say, the state wants to use the mute button.


35 posted on 06/21/2013 7:45:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

this is just racism at it’s worst......Trayvon thought he would hassel George and he picked the wrong guy...this was self defense.


36 posted on 06/21/2013 7:56:36 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Uncle Chip

The state has a leftist agenda axe to grind here. There are political rewards to be reaped for winning this case awaiting them. The perks will be many for anyone furthering and following the anti-gun-ownership, anti-property-rights, and ‘all racist all the time’ leftist playbook.

To most of us on the right, it’s a no-brainer that Zimmerman, a Democrat, was justified in what he did to protect his life that night. To the slavering idiots on the left, Zimmerman is a cold-blooded racist murderer. The divisions this nation is suffering from has never been more clearly illustrated than with this case. Well, except for when the Terri Shiavo ‘murder by scientology judge’ occurred.

I think it clearly illustrates how most folks on the left have no logic, no common sense and zero concept of right vs. wrong. In fact, they do seem to always be on the wrong side of EVERY issue, EVERY time.


37 posted on 06/21/2013 8:04:34 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/attorneys-clear-issues-opening-statements/nYRJq/

Posted: 10:57 a.m. Friday, June 21, 2013

Attorneys clear issues before opening statements in Zimmerman trial

(excerpt)

Opening statements are scheduled Monday. But pending issues to be resolved Friday include whether an audio expert can testify for the prosecution that screams for help captured on a 911 call belong to Martin. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson said she would make a decision Friday. Defense attorneys don’t want the expert to testify, claiming his analysis is flawed.

The jury’s selection Thursday followed nearly two weeks in which potential jurors were quizzed by attorneys about their views on firearms, crime, race and self-defense.


38 posted on 06/21/2013 8:11:04 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Uncle Chip

The state needs its voodoo evidence because the only way it can get around the absolute absence of anything that contradicts Z’s version is to invent something. It’s not without risk, though. They’re telling the jury that they’re not capable of knowing what they’re hearing with their own ears. I’d be more than a bit insulted by that.

The effort to keep any reference to George’s remarks out is intended to force him to take the stand so BDLR can try to put words in his mouth. The defense has some options there.


39 posted on 06/21/2013 8:11:16 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

WFTV blog question and answer:

10:13

Comment From AnnaNimitee
Is the judge going to rule on the hearing in open court or just release it and will Channel 9 issue a special report.

10:14

Bruce at WFTV:
It will be released to the attorneys. We’ll put it on the website when we receive a copy. I’ll add it to the document section of our Zimmerman section: http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman/


40 posted on 06/21/2013 8:18:23 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: XenaLee

They need no concept of right or wrong, winning obviates that need.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 8:19:43 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

I think the prosecution would put Owen on the stand but not Reich. He sounds like he has dementia, and since juror B29 works with dementia patients, she just might recognize him.


42 posted on 06/21/2013 8:20:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: sheikdetailfeather

10:21

Comment From Letsbefair
Did judge make a decision yet on voice recordings?.

10:22

Bruce at WFTV:
Later today, we expect to get the ruling. Not in open court.


43 posted on 06/21/2013 8:25:06 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Uncle Chip

LOLOL!!!!


44 posted on 06/21/2013 8:25:49 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Uncle Chip

Agreed. If the Defense presents a plausable case for self-defense, the State either has to demolish it, or “reasonable doubt” remains. That of course requires logic and basic fairness — might not be seen here.

I am heartened by BdlR’s use of his junior associate when the going gets really pathetic. He knows there is no case and wants to let a subordinate take the fall (and why not? his own boss set the example).

For Nelson to drag out the Frye ruling to jam the Defense is so transparent. How hard can this be? It’s not as if she bothers to explain her rulings. If she rules “send in the clowns” (which perversely is to GZ’s advantage), one would expect an emergency appeal and stay from the DCA, then another unanimous reversal, during which time Crump, the Medical Examiner, et al., can be deposed. Is that what she actually wants? Then they could start the jury selection all over and get more diversity. If she rules “no clowns” (as the law clearly requires), then the case just got shorter.


45 posted on 06/21/2013 8:30:44 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: cuban leaf
The jurors thew it out as too ambiguous to be used in forming an opinion.

I agree. I have served on 4 juries. My experience that that the jurors DO use common sense and are not afraid to say that garbage testimony is garbage.

46 posted on 06/21/2013 8:32:53 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Uncle Chip

Black`s are not coming across as decent people,they could not find a honest one! How many Black`s did the Judge dismiss on her own because they stated that they had already decided on George`s guilt.

Now I am NOT a bigot, but between seeing phony Christians in the ALL BLACK Church, and now there bias in this case?

I am NOT impressed! And I apologize to the millions of wonderful decent wonderful Black men and women of this coutry

God created us all, we are all created in His image, but I tell you I am ashamed of so many of these folks


47 posted on 06/21/2013 8:46:06 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Uncle Chip

Would be kind of interesting if the defense called Reich, and had a little chat with him about his former “prosecution expert” status, then, wouldn’t it?


48 posted on 06/21/2013 8:51:04 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Chewbarkah

If she is expecting another emergency appeal, followed by another reversal, why not moot it by stalling the decision while allowing the prosecution to refer to the evidence in opening? That’s my fear here. Call it a tactical delay. I wonder if the appelate court can turn around a TRO between 8:59 and 9 am Monday?

I appreciate her desire to move forward, but she ought to keep in mind that when one is gathering praise for “making the trains run on time” one is still running a railroad.


49 posted on 06/21/2013 9:04:59 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg; Chewbarkah; sheikdetailfeather

Mantei said this morning regarding the motion on inflammatory terms that the state’s case is that Zimmerman “confronted” Martin and they have evidence to support that.

Where have I been??? Did I miss that evidence???


50 posted on 06/21/2013 9:19:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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