Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman – Open Discussion Thread

The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 21, 2013 | Sundance

[Uncle Chip]

This jury [with alternates] was chosen in sequential order from the first 18 potential jurors. The remaining 22 never entered the mix.

The prosecution struck 4 [a black man and 3 white women] and the defense struck 4 [a white man, white woman, and 2 black women]

[Uncle Chip]

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/11/watch-live-coverage-george-zimmerman-trial

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/s/news/trayvonmartin/

Click Orlando http://www.clickorlando.com/news/trayvo … index.html

Orlando Sentinel (Fox 35 live stream) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc … on-martin/

WESH http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florid … index.html

cfnews http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cf … artin.html

MyfoxOrlando http://www.myfoxorlando.com/category/23 … von-martin

CNN http://edition.cnn.com/US/

TruTV/InSession link: http://www.superusvoxtv.com/index.php/speciality/tru-tv

[IbJensen]

It doesn’t matter who is empaneled.

George is being framed for protecting himself from an enraged, out-of-control bully.

George needs to be released right after the bogus case against him his thrown out!

[cuban leaf]

Based on what I’ve seen regarding the facts of this case in the MSM, the internet and Conservativetreehouse, if the information on these six is not fake, there is no way they get a conviction. Not even for involuntary manslaughter.

[Uncle Chip]

Al Sharpton and the Crumpmeisters are already singing their favorite song:

Can Mostly-White Panel Give ‘Equal Justice?’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-martin-attorney-question-zimmerman-jury-selection-can-mostly-white-panel-give-equal-justice/

[cuban leaf]

If the defense loses, and Nelson lets that argument take place, they are in a pickle – Because their experts have claimed no-one can determine who is screaming, while the prosecution has claimed their experts reflect it was Trayvon’s voice calling for help.

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I sat on a jury on a highly technical case where this sort of thing happened. The impression the whole jury got was that the guys who could tell what it was were pompus and arrogant asses and the ones that claimed it was not exact science were the ones that sounded sincere and actually valued the truth. The effect was that the evidence being argued by the experts became irrelevant. The jurors thew it out as too ambiguous to be used in forming an opinion.

[cuban leaf]

Can Mostly-White Panel Give ‘Equal Justice?’

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That is an insulting, racist question. They are projecting and don’t even realize how they look to reasonable people.

[Mouton]

The cannonball express on the main line to conviction junction is running open throttle, all greens. Hopefully somewhere along the path a bridge is out but don’t bet on it given the power of a judge to influence a jury.

If the descriptions of the jurors is correct, this should end up in not guilty in a fair unbiased trial but like I said, the judge has the power to limit exactly what the jury hears and how they hear it.

[hoosiermama]

Beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the issue. Defense witness inserts the doubt.

[cuban leaf]

Beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the issue.

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Exactly. Frankly, the prosecution can scream and wave its arms for weeks about what an animal Zimmerman is. Then they show the pictures of zimerman’s body, grass stains, etc. along with the ONLY injuries to martin beyond the gunshot wound. Specifically, his hands.

They then claim self defense, rest their case and Zimmerman walks.

I exagerate. But if the jury is actually reasonable people, only slightly.

As you said, reasonable doubt.

[Uncle Chip]

If the descriptions of the jurors is correct, this should end up in not guilty in a fair unbiased trial but like I said, the judge has the power to limit exactly what the jury hears and how they hear it.

Yep -- and this showed up loud and clear in court yesterday when O'Mara was trying to explain that the state bears the burden of disproving the defendant's claim of self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

Bernie objected. Nelson sustained the objection and then merely read the statute without clarification and said that there would be no explanation forthcoming -- that they will have to figure that out on their own.

[PLD]

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

Then in February 2012 that initial suspension was followed four months later by another one, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it AND a pipe. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”Trayvon was again suspended. This time for ten days.

Martin tweeted under the handle “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,” an account that was closed shortly after his death.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz2Wr1lDVo2

[hoosiermama]

Leni, you may enjoy the daily discussion thread posted by uncle Chip!

[Mouton]

I thought the self defense argument was a presumption similar to the notion a letter sent is deemed a letter received, kind of like an affirmative defense which must be overcome by the prosecution, not the other way around.

[hoosiermama]

As I understand currently none of his past history will be presented to the jury. That will change however if the da screws up and tries to present positive evidence. 3——2——1 It will be presented eventually is my guess !

Correct me if I’m wrong U C

[cuban leaf]

Bernie objected. Nelson sustained the objection and then merely read the statute without clarification and said that there would be no explanation forthcoming — that they will have to figure that out on their own.

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Which they will/have.

The thing about this case is that it is being conducted in a fish bowl. And the jurors are not idiots. Usually...

[MinuteGal]

"You may enjoy the daily discussion thread posted by uncle Chip!"

I read it faithfully, Hoosiermama. His daily thread is a real service to interested Florida freepers......and I thank him wholeheartedly for his hard work!

Leni

[SomeCallMeTim]

They better be glad MY wife is NOT on the jury... No matter what info I give her, she keeps saying... “Zimmerman had NO BUSINESS being involved in this... he should have called 911 and stayed in the car”.

She would DEFINITELY find him guilty... of something.

[Uncle Chip]

FWIO self defense is an assertion that the defendant must make [like insanity] and he is making it in this case, which means that the state must disprove it as part of their case.

[Uncle Chip]

Listening to MoM I get the feeling that regardless of what the da does some part of Martin’s past relating to his fighting prowess will make it into evidence.

I think the self defense statute allows the jury to consider the comparative differences between the two regarding fighting abilities. In that regard that picture of him at the 7 Eleven has to send chills down anyone’s spine.

I also don’t know how they keep the marijuana out of evidence since it’s in the medical report.