Skip to comments.Snowden heads to Venezuela via Moscow, Havana: airline source
Posted on 06/23/2013 8:14:12 AM PDT by markomalley
Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then plans to go to Venezuela, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot said on Sunday.
The source said Snowden was already on his way to Moscow from Hong Kong and would leave for Havana within 24 hours.
The South China Morning Post also reported that Snowden had left Hong Kong for Moscow and that his final destination might be Ecuador or Iceland. The WikiLeaks anti-secrecy website said Snowden was heading for an unnamed "democratic nation".
The flight to Moscow prompted speculation that Snowden might remain in Russia, whose leaders accuse the United States of double standards on democracy and have championed public figures who challenge Western governments.
But Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said he was unaware of Snowden's plans and the Foreign Ministry declined immediate comment on whether he had asked for asylum.
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What choice did he have? Could he rely on the Constitution to protect his whistle-blowing. Would Citizenship prevent water-boarding, secret courts and offer a right to fair hearing.
Nah. He's on administrative leave
I suspect that on top of his other crimes, Snowden is going to fail to file his 2013 Form 1040!
Ecuadors Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino Aroca has tweeted: The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. Snowden.
Like Snowden said, consent of the governed is not consent if the governed are intentionally mis-informed by the governing.
Learning Russian is hard, but not hard enough to make me want to live in Venezuela rather than Moscow.
He’s an Obama voter (although he leaked because he is miffed about Obama breaking some election promises).
He may get an audit and thrown under the bus yet!
What country is Obama an agent of?
Is Hell a country?
No, this was done intentionally to remind Americans how far it is willing to go to ensure no one rises up against the government.
I am thinking about the same. The timing of Snowden is all to convenient. His hot girl-friend, his Hollywood type interview.
I of the mind that Snowden is somehow working for Obamas team. Of course, that still makes him a traitor (along with most in this administration)
Snowden’s revealing Obama led corruption is doing service to our country.
It is giving a view of the TOTALITY of the corruption and growing abuse of power that are threatening our very freedom. And there is still much more we do not know about. We are pretty far down the slippery slope at this point, but not quite yet beyond the point of no return.
How much more evidence is needed before impeachment becomes a serious option?
I cant imagine him doing more damage than Obama has already done.
Exactly! This is all for show.
I don’t believe he’s headed for Venezuala either, unless he was just naïve that he was backed into a corner by whoever is helping him.
If he was a traitor and in in for the money, why would have have gone so public? He could quietly have sold secrrets for years and then faked his own death and moved somewhere else if he thought he’d been caught. The fact that he went public with his own name causes me to still believe he was just trying to call attention to what our government was doing to us (and what was really no secret except to low info voters in all countries).
I too believe and hope that Venezuela is just another disinformatijon story, and we’ll hear from him in some other country completely.I’m guessing Ecuador.
My theory that I think is least probable, but still possible, as as someone else said, he is actually a plant working for Obama to basically tell Americans “Big Brother is watching you” (especially any Senators/Congressmen who don’t already know) and to show Americans how powerful Obama is already, and to strike more intimidation into us.
I don’t really believe that though. Just the way he went all about this I think he really is trying to bring this who mess to the attention of the world at great risk to himself.
That is certainly a different tact ... LOL
< Nice post. I think Snowjob may even be a plant. Start sowing the ground now so when deeper stuff comes out they can say its old news. Of course I dont believe anything I am told by the USSA media and wickedness rules right now so I suspect Ed is not what he says he is one way of the other. >
This is what I’m thinking. What better “flexibility” is there than to find some stooge who wants to play ‘Double-Agent,’ and then use him to sell national secrets to China, Russia, Cuba, and every Communist country in between? Promise him whatever he wants, then eliminate him after his treasonous job is complete. Obama gets to play Hero when Snowman is captured (”Oops, he accidentally fell from the plane, i swear.”). Bin Laden Part II.
Then, on top of everything else, since we are considering such “plausible” scenarios as the boy being an Obama plant, there is the matter of his family name: is Snowden snowing us?
Obama is the issue. Corrupy Alphabet agencies are symptomatic. Can we engage this under RICO statutes?
That’s a fair question to ask. The MSM is totally in the Clinton camp so you make a good point.
If he were truly noble. He would not go to a country that is a sworn enemy of the United States like Venezuela. He would have went to a neutral country like Iceland. If the story is true that he is going there our government should terminate him with extreme prejudice. After we have secured the laptops of course...
Yep. They should find, shoot him, kill him. Some FReepers should man up (or woman up) and admit they were wrong about him. I respect a person that can do that. The inverse also applies.
That isn’t guts.
It is international air piracy and violation of sovereignty of another nation’s rights. i.e. Normal day to day stuff for Bambi to do.
Why would Ecuadorians be at the Moscow airport for him, then, instead of Venezuelans?
FSB in Moscow could be cooperating in such a disinfo game and order Aeroflot to give a false flight route, just to throw the Yanks off and (help) get the guy to safe haven in Iceland or Ecuador........
Or he is being used to get this stuff out in the open so the feds can start using it against enemies of the state.
Too many different scenarios. Only one I am 100% sure of is things are not as they seem to be.
Do you think Americans should know or not know about these programs?
Pelosi booed for saying NSA leaker Snowden violated the law
By Jennifer Martinez - 06/22/13 06:00 PM ET
Well, Reagan did it to the Egyptians. Are you OK with that?
It is possible that there are groups and coalitions within different intelligence communities that have varying opinions of our swift move toward a totalitarian dictatorship. There may be those who are loyal to “The Powers” in office, no matter who is there, and will willingly do whatever they are told.
There may be others who are loyal to the “Old America” within CIA who are aiding him to get asylum in a neutral country and who assisted him to help pull the shroud of secrecy off of this communist, criminal government coup that has happened in front of our eyes.
Good to see the “hero” of the day visiting all the libertarian hot spots around the world.
In the scenario where he’s a plant, obama and his handlers wouldn’t necessarily inform Congress of that fact. This would explain why many of them are apoplectic in their denouncement of Snowden as Evil Incarnate when they can get TV face time. LOL... I can just see how that super-secret Congressional briefing would have gone down:
“Ladies and Gentlemen, I’m afraid it’s bad. Real bad. Snowdon had the ability to record anything and everything he so desired, and our preliminary investigation indicates that NONE of us is safe. He has been recording everything, and every day we find more. If you’ve done something you wouldn’t want public, he may have proof of it.”
What a perverse pleasure I’m feeling right now.
Agreed, yet three quarters of the alleged conservative patriots on this thread consider the man to be a traitor who should be strung up on the nearest lamp post.
I feel like I opened Free Republic and wound up in opposite world.
There may be others who are loyal to the Old America within CIA who are aiding him to get asylum in a neutral country and who assisted him to help pull the shroud of secrecy off of this communist, criminal government coup that has happened in front of our eyes.
I also see (not sure if here or elsehwere; both maybe) comparisons between Snowden and Manning. Not the same at all!!!
I am rooting for Snowden 100% and hope he survives and reveals more treason.
Sory to say ... there's no way in Hell that a Harry Reid led Senate would impeach Obama.
I once saw a Rolls Royce. Since it wasn’t mine......I’m sure you understand.
Did either of you watch FOX last night? “Hore -Aldo “ had a whistle blower on. He had been charged as a spy. 0 is charging all who question him
It's John Boehner's House that would impeach him and Harry Reid's Senate that would try him. But there is still zero chance of either happening.
I missed it, but when dictators resort to this behavior it means they are very insecure in their power and are expecting their coup to fail.
I saw some. He blew the whistle on massive waste of programs like trailblazer...i believe.
In order to charge him, the gov would have had to expose the waste and the program. So they basically dropped the Espionage charges. But, hes done.
Now working at Best Buy.
THAT is EXTREMELY plausible.
Sory to say ... there’s no way in Hell that a Harry Reid led Senate would impeach Obama.
Absolutely true, but impeachment hearings in the House could open a lot of eyes to what’s really going on in this country. That in itself would be worth the exercise.
Sorry for the bad formatting
here is the twitter link:
As for Snowden, I can't manage to care overly much about him. If he was a ‘whistleblower’, he could simply have walked to an ACLU office, called the local paper, and been on Fox and Friends by the next day, with the worst possible punishment he'd be facing would be an extended vacation at ClubFed.
Instead, weeks later he's turning up in Hong Kong exposing US surveillance? Just strikes me as an attempt to exit stage left with a big bag of cash that went horribly wrong, and there weren't any NSA or Chinese buyers for his information. He figured he had about a month to sell it, then get down low, and time ran out.
And in the aftermath, both parties want us to look at Snowden and not the actions of Congress in authorizing these wholesale actions against liberty and privacy, in the name of ‘the war on terrorism.’
On the side of strict protection of privacy are people like Sens. Lee and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), along with those Democratic senators. They are joined by conservative media titans Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and Matt Drudge, and liberal figures like filmmaker Michael Moore and Glenn Greenwald, who has broken many of the stories relating to the leaks.
In the other corner defending surveillance practices is President Barack Obama, who has shifted his stance as president. He has been joined by House Speaker John Boehner, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Also in this camp are influential media voices like the left-leaning Time magazine’s Joe Klein and The New Yorker’s Jeffrey Toobin, as well as conservative media figures like Charles Krauthammer.
“Any sympathy I had for Snowden ended when he disclosed specific Chinese IP addresses that NSA hacked.”
Well, the ChiComs have been hacking the U.S.A.’s government sites.
Isn’t it kind of tit-for-tat? Everyone with more than one brain cell already knew that these kinds of things were happening.
I have the same view. So it’s still true? He told how we hacked?
That is treason.
“But, not tickled about him heading to VENEZUELA?!!!!”
As badly as the U.S.A. government ‘wanted’ Bobby Fischer he managed to avoid ‘capture’ for decades. Iceland is the only country on the planet that agreed to give him asylum.