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DEMONIZING EDWARD SNOWDEN: WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
06/24/13 | John Cassidy

Posted on 06/24/2013 8:11:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: mylife

I don’t approve of anyone data mining me.

I go to a business for the express purpose of using their service. When they start building a file on me I consider it an invasion of my privacy. They collect this information about me, then use it themselves or sell it to third parties without my permission or paying me for the right to do it.

Furthermore I should have the reasonable expectation that my activity is private. If I should want to frequent a site, I should not have to be concerned about how others may interpret my activity. What political or other subject matter I review may or may not represent me accurately at the moment or certainly over the long haul, so the viewing of my actions cannot be done with a true grasp of what is going on. An attempt to do so with accuracy is impossible.

D1


201 posted on 06/25/2013 11:52:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Yaelle

Thanks Yaelle, I appreciate your thoughts and agree with what you posted in reaction to mine.

You’re right..., as usual. :-)


202 posted on 06/25/2013 11:55:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: PhilDragoo

PhilDragoo, I appreciate the response. You touched on a mysterious issue, when you mentioned how Obama views Hassan vs Snowden. What’s more, I think a good number of our own have swallowed that poison pill with him.

That is shameful.


203 posted on 06/25/2013 11:59:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: dixiechick2000
I know I'm "SO right!" Because as we drove our RV across America on Interstate 80 we saw young people go screaming past us with white shoe polish slogans all over their windows!!!

I was trying to avoid running up my gas cost by driving steadily at 70 mph but these Tea Party enthusiasts were rocking us with shock waves as they blasted past at high speed to get to Michele Bachman's anti-Obamacare rally on Friday!!!

Of course we arrived late Friday night and missed her event that featured Rabbi Lappin from KSFO that featured Lee Rogers and Melanie Morgan at that time. On Saturday morning we drove to Alexandria and took the subway that was filled to capacity and we had to wait for a train with enough seats.

We saw people already streaming down the down escalator on their way out and we hollered over at 'em as to why they were leaving and they said: "Because of the horrific heat! That's how I know those still there and who came later were hiding from the sun in the shade of tree canopies and were unseen and unestimated as to how big the crowd was on that historic day!!!

If those who were honestly estimating the crowd had taken the shaded and especially those who came and left early into their estimates, it would have dwarfed the MLK, Vietnam War protests, especially any of those so-called 99 percenters, or any other protests up to that time!!!

And we left NO mess like those 99 percenter "Occupy Wallstreet" squatters. Now all the left and their media do is exercise their "mock and ridicule" power with GovernMental Agency intimidation in their evil efforts!!!

204 posted on 06/25/2013 12:07:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: SpaceBar

Pretty good analogy right there.


205 posted on 06/25/2013 2:14:43 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: palmer
There is no justification for having gathered data a priori.

Ergo we don't need to register to vote. I use this as an absurd counterexample to your universal.

Yes, I believe the distinction between public and private information is significant. The discernment might branch further into data as well, depending upon the situation.

206 posted on 06/25/2013 7:25:22 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
There is no search warrant issued for seizing my phone bill detail lines every month.

There are statistics associated with phone calls which may be gleaned without any interest or intelligence of the content of the call.

For example, if gathering that information on several million phone calls, it might indicate more efficient protocols in 2 way communications. Instead of polling the phone call in 1/100 second increments to discern when one party is speaking and another is listening, it might be able to glean the same efficiency in only polling in 1/10 or 1/5 sec increments, allowing bandwidth to be used elsewhere, lessening the cost of your call and everybody elses calls.

That information (as opposed to intelligence) may be gleaned from monitoring comm traffic 24/7. It might be gleaned with other metrics from recording calls in different resolutions without any intent of listening to the meanings of the callers.

If Snowden's information was closely held, it probably has much more to do with the mechanics of database schema, large data processing yields, and state of the art descriptors of those processes. It isn't about using a sophisticated national intelligence resource to go listening in on Aunt Mabel's party line.

I sincerely doubt most who find Snowden a hero, have ever normalized a relational database or even know what that means.

207 posted on 06/25/2013 7:51:26 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Vendome

A sophomoric understanding of database design will bring to light the significance of the data gathering and limitations therein. A rather poor grasp of those basics can easily lead somebody like Snowden to think he is heroic by bumbling around the Puzzle Palace.


208 posted on 06/25/2013 8:03:13 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: DoughtyOne

When somebody looks at you on the street, they are data mining you.


209 posted on 06/25/2013 8:04:15 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

I know about databases, I’m not familiar with VOIP protocols, I don’t think your example is very realistic, but all that’s neither here nor there.

In any case, the government should not have every single Call Detail Record (that’s a term), let alone the “whole pipe” that they now gather, for every single American.

It’s rather nonsensical to think they should have that data because it’s very naive to think that restraint in its use will last.

Snowden was just a sysadmin there for a few months by the sounds of things, he was no database guru. You don’t get put on top projects in 3 months. Did he break the law by what he did ? Yes.

America is headed towards becoming a police state. It’s happening on hehalf of globalists.

Regardless of where and how that is stopped, it needs to be stopped.

The Republican party and Democrat party are NOT going to stop it. They are both servants of globalists.

I know there are llottttts of Republican party folks here that are “engaging in social media”, that’s what they volunteer for or are paid for, whatever.

When I’m carted off to a camp or simply executed, the Republican party will not be there to save me. They’ll say “you should have helped us spread propaganda on FR, then you would be one of us”.

The Republican party today is asymptotically approaching complete disgrace and utter contempt for liberty, rapidly catching up to the Democrats.


210 posted on 06/25/2013 8:46:35 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Cvengr

Puzzle Palace, Mouse Maze...yeah, all it takes is a cursory understanding


211 posted on 06/25/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: dfwgator
"Could very well be a fight between Stalinists and Trotskyites."

First entertaining comment I've seen here it some time. You have done your homework. Thanks.

212 posted on 06/25/2013 9:43:01 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

My question had to do with, the timing of these supposed leaks. The whole smear was to cover Bengazi, and what, that could have led to revealing. I do not write well. Sorry for the confusion.


213 posted on 06/25/2013 10:38:24 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler
[The whole smear was to cover Bengazi, and what, that could have led to revealing.]

It's having the effect of obscuring Benghazi. Hopefully Congress will stay on Benghazi and eventually a special prosecutor will be named. The problem is a special prosecutor is named by the Justice Department.

214 posted on 06/27/2013 6:02:56 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree, Brad from Tennessee.


215 posted on 06/27/2013 11:55:57 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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