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Statement by Secretary Hagel on DOMA Ruling
U.S. Department of Defense ^ | 6/26/2013 | Chuck Hagel

Posted on 06/26/2013 2:15:49 PM PDT by MrShoop

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To: MrShoop

Hagel is a slob. And I am being unkind to slobs calling him one.


51 posted on 06/26/2013 3:34:41 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: max americana

Yes I pray for them. Not because I want to but because if I don’t I’ll be so full of rage and anger I will be a mess!


52 posted on 06/26/2013 3:34:42 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TADSLOS

Today’s Republicans are the Democrats of 1992

Today’s Democrats are the Weather Underground of 1972


53 posted on 06/26/2013 3:39:13 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: stephenjohnbanker

...or the thread where the National Cathedral was ringing its bells to celebrate the condoning of gay marriage by the Supreme Court.

That one really is scary.


54 posted on 06/26/2013 3:59:44 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Mr Rogers

It is hard to believe that I would ever agree with Obama’s Rev Wright.....

or Fred Phelps.


55 posted on 06/26/2013 4:13:12 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: pallis
When our troops are nothing but fags, Muslims and gang members, Democrats better hope we don’t have to go to war.

Actually I look forward to the day when our sissified, faggot-loving, women in front line combat, muzzies & ghetto bangers all get their asses handed to them by Russia or China. This whole bunch of faggots, sissies & feminists will wilt at the first sign of hard-core Russian troops just beating the sh_t out of our affirmative action sissies. I don't think the Russkies or Chinese really worry too much about rules of engagement, like our sissy commanders do.

At that time, the real conservatives & patriots of America will likely need to step forward and fight with a fury out of sheer desperation to win our country back & our freedom. And who knows how that will turn out, but at least we will go down fighting!

56 posted on 06/26/2013 4:17:02 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Mad Dawgg

Drop that government and marriage thing, all government has always been a part of marriage.

Marriage was never just whatever individuals said it was at their whim.


57 posted on 06/26/2013 4:20:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
I'm confused. The SCOTUS did NOT "legalize" gay marriage.

It invalidated DOMA. So if a gay couple got "married" in a state that allows for such, they get the bennies. But what about gays from states that do NOT recognize such unions?

Did I miss where the military legalized gay marriage everywhere?

Does the military perform such marriages?

In say, Afghanistan? Or Saudi Arabia?

I'm dizzy from trying to figure out just what Hagel is saying or implementing.

58 posted on 06/26/2013 4:23:28 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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leading from behind

59 posted on 06/26/2013 4:28:46 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: molson209

You’re joking, right? I think it is 3%, or thereabout.


60 posted on 06/26/2013 4:34:03 PM PDT by madison10
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To: ecomcon

Pretty much true.


61 posted on 06/26/2013 4:37:23 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS
Hagel is a fine example of the Republican National Headquarters....

Now, think about that....

Right out the box....Hagel is embraced by Kristol, Rove, and the rest of the fine upstanding country club Republicans....

Again, think about that...

62 posted on 06/26/2013 5:04:48 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: boop

Boop,

Basically.. the Federal government now recognizes gay marriage and gives gays benefits.

Since the military is considered Federal.. Hagel is going to give gays in the military gay marriage benefits.

States don’t have to give State benefits to gay couples if they don’t want to.


63 posted on 06/26/2013 5:10:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ansel12
"Drop that government and marriage thing, all government has always been a part of marriage."

OK then I challenge you to find it in any of the following Documents "The Declaration of Independence" "The Constitution of the United States" and "The Bill of Rights" (A.K.A. The Founding Documents)

I'll save you time its not in there but you better look quick because I guarantee you there is a bunch of Leftists huddled in some office in Washington drafting a New Amendment called the Marriage Equality Amendment.

64 posted on 06/26/2013 5:10:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: MrShoop

So sad.

God isn’t happy.


65 posted on 06/26/2013 5:16:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: molson209

“is it true that 75 % of Americans are Gay ?”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Not really but any day now I expect a ruling that requires that at least 51 percent will have to be gay.


66 posted on 06/26/2013 5:24:47 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m positive he enjoys kissing some other body part attached to 0 bummer.


67 posted on 06/26/2013 5:27:37 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Wouldn’t be surprised at all.


68 posted on 06/26/2013 5:28:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama: Clear and present danger year five...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

The Continental congress was defining legal marriage for federal purposes in legislation of 1780, with updating of that legislation in 1794, 1798, 1802, and ever since.

Government has always been a part of marriage, from Rome to Greece to Thomas Jefferson’s marriage.

Marriage still has to be recognized by government, and still is, what is this silly thing you keep saying? No government involvement in marriage? That is not an actual part of American history or man’s history, even the Apache and Mayans had marriage.

Try to focus on the actual issue of gay marriage, not this fantasy world of yours.


69 posted on 06/26/2013 5:41:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: ansel12
Again please find for me in the Documents the definition of marriage.

BTW here is the Constitution Onlines blurb about Marriage:

Under the Heading: Things NOT in the Constitution

"Marriage
In 2004, a lot of controversy began to swirl around the topic of marriage as homosexual marriage entered the news once again. In 1999, the Vermont Supreme Court ordered that the state must make accommodations for gay unions, bringing the issue into the public eye. Vermont created civil unions as a result. In 2004, the Massachusetts Supreme Court went a step further, and ruled that the state must accommodate not just an institution equal to marriage, as civil union was designed to be, but that gay marriage itself must be offered in the state. Subsequently, mayors in New York and California began to offer gay marriage in their towns and cities, citing civil rights concerns. Those opposed to gay marriage began to urge that an amendment to the Constitution be created to define marriage as being between a man and a woman only. Opponents of the amendment pointed to the failed Prohibition Amendment as a reason why such social issues should stay out of the Constitution. In the absence of any such amendment, however, marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution at any point."

70 posted on 06/26/2013 5:52:59 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: SE Mom

You probably have a very long prayer list. While your at it, just add me on your list since I would appreciate a few prayers on my behalf.


71 posted on 06/26/2013 6:04:33 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: MrShoop

It will be declared soon that Bible believing Christians and Christian chaplains must renounce their faith or be arrested for “discrimination.” And don’t think it will stop with just the military. Your Social Security check, Medicare, or any other affiliation with the Federal government will make us all beholden to the Beast. What is happening right now is truly Satanic. Christ is the only answer.


72 posted on 06/26/2013 6:23:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: MrShoop

What a disgrace. I think the left has now fully corrupted the last institution of patriotism. So long, America.


73 posted on 06/26/2013 6:30:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Really? you think they didn’t know more than you about their own government and constitution?

“”The Continental congress was defining legal marriage for federal purposes in legislation of 1780, with updating of that legislation in 1794, 1798, 1802, and ever since.””

Do you think that they would have recognized homosexual “marriage”, or your telling them they had to?


74 posted on 06/26/2013 7:04:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: ansel12
"Do you think that they would have recognized homosexual “marriage”, or your telling them they had to?"

Again, Congress making a law does not mean its Constitutional.

If you do nothing else at least have an adult help you learn that one.

It will save you embarrassment in the future.

And once again I'll explain (I am typing slowly so your finger can keep up!)

I want just exactly the opposite. I don't want the Fedgov legalizing Gay marriage OR forbidding it.

I DON"T WANT THE FEDGOV INVOLVED IN MARRIAGE AT ALL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!

Have you got it now? Do you understand?

No Way shape or form! Nothing Nada Nyet Nein...!

75 posted on 06/26/2013 8:10:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Would you vote for a state politician who was libertarian on personal relationships?


76 posted on 06/26/2013 8:19:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: ansel12
"Would you vote for a state politician who was libertarian on personal relationships?"

I vote for people based on one thing whether they have shown they will uphold the Oath of office. Personal Relationships aren't mentioned in the oath of office.

See you are still having a problem. YOU WANT PEOPLE IN OFFICE THAT MEDDLE IN STUFF THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN.

You are not Conservative. You are just the Republican version of Liberal Activist.

You want the government to regulate people's personal lives.

77 posted on 06/26/2013 8:24:42 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
You want the government to regulate people's personal lives.

That is what I try to tell people about libertarians, it is a philosophy that they support, at all levels, school board, city, county, state, and federal.

78 posted on 06/26/2013 8:30:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: molson209

You would think 75% was gay. Their entire agenda and presence is inflated by the media.


79 posted on 06/26/2013 9:20:52 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Mr. President, can you hear a special prosecutor now?)
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Too bad Obama didn’t campaign on fast-tracking socialism and sodomy.


80 posted on 06/26/2013 9:40:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: boop

Out of the 80+ replies to this thread so far, your questions are the only ones I’ve seen that address the problem with Hagel’s pronouncement. How can he make this determination when there are states where bases are located that have not legalized same sex marriage? Will the service member and gay partner sue the state because they are denied the benefits they were granted at the federal level by the elimination of DOMA? I see a further erosion of state’s rights and am not surprised by the gay advocates who stated yesterday that they plan on having same sex marriage legalized in all 50 states in the next 5 years! More tyranny to come!


81 posted on 06/27/2013 6:32:14 AM PDT by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: molson209
is it true that 75 % of Americans are Gay ?

They're working on it.

82 posted on 06/27/2013 7:57:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: madison10

” ...or the thread where the National Cathedral was ringing its bells to celebrate the condoning of gay marriage by the Supreme Court.

That one really is scary.”

Yes it is.


83 posted on 06/27/2013 9:11:37 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: ConservativeMan55; DoughtyOne

” Since the military is considered Federal.. Hagel is going to give gays in the military gay marriage benefits.”

Real men will leave the military in droves. Others will never sign up. Obama has destroyed out military in a mere 5 years.


84 posted on 06/27/2013 9:14:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Real men will still be driven to participate. It will eat away at the core of our forces, but there will be pockets of very elite and dedicated people none the less.

I lean toward your thoughts here, but then have to remind myself that we have always had homosexuals in the military. Granted, that was covert. Now it’s overt.

Of this contingent, there have been some very dedicated troops. We shouldn’t be all-encompassing when we talk of this group.

Do I think this is a bad idea, yes I do. This should not be our policy. It is not good. It will not help.

To be honest, I am more worried about the way Obama and company are slicing and dicing our forces. That doesn’t mean I am not concerned about the affects of homosexuals in the military. I still am. I am trying to keep it in perspective though.

It’s there. It’s reality. The full ramifications are not known at this time. I hope they aren’t devastating.


85 posted on 06/27/2013 3:03:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama: Clear and present danger year five...)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Should have pinged you to this since StephenJohnBanker was talking to you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3036004/posts?page=84#84


86 posted on 06/27/2013 3:05:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama: Clear and present danger year five...)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s all good! Thanks!


87 posted on 06/27/2013 4:03:26 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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