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The Grand Prize in Obama’s War on Coal™
Watts Up With That? ^ | June 30, 2013 | Willis Eschenbach

Posted on 07/01/2013 1:05:46 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/01/2013 1:05:46 PM PDT by neverdem
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All of their meager estimates don’t even take into account the fact that people will start heating and cooking with wood, charcoal, and dung and that smoke will go up chimneys with no emissions controls whatsoever. The net result of taking away coal-powered electricity is more greenhouse gases than ever!


2 posted on 07/01/2013 1:14:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: neverdem

This 0.02 degree of cooling could easily be offset by a single volcanic eruption about which we can do nothing. Our climate does does not have a tipping point...there are feedback mechanisms that have kept our climate on a relatively even keel for millennia. We have in the past seen massive global cooling which caused three ice ages where the northern hemisphere was basically covered by glaciers and global warming that melted those glaciers...all with no possible input from humankind. our puny measures to change CO2 concentrations by parts per million will not do anything.


3 posted on 07/01/2013 1:24:29 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: neverdem

When I was a kid they told us that nuclear energy would make electricity so cheap it wouldn’t even need a meter....................


4 posted on 07/01/2013 1:26:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Bryanw92

Some states have outlawed fireplaces.
Some states have outlawed any burning at all on private land.
Some states have outlawed BBQ grills that use charcoal and lighter fluid.

Do you see a pattern developing here?.............


5 posted on 07/01/2013 1:28:27 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: neverdem
President Obama's Plan to Fight Climate Change
6 posted on 07/01/2013 1:45:31 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: Red Badger

Do you know that Lewis Strauss was talking about Fusion, not Fission, nuclear energy when he said that in 1954?


7 posted on 07/01/2013 1:52:49 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

No I didn’t know that. But it makes no difference, since neither has come about.........


8 posted on 07/01/2013 2:03:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

By the way, “too cheap to meter” is another way of saying, so expensive to hook up, the fuel cost are insignificant...


9 posted on 07/01/2013 2:08:46 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Well, I'm still waiting for Mr. Fusion.............

10 posted on 07/01/2013 2:16:54 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: neverdem
[The World Bank has decided it wants to keep the developing world from having inexpensive electricity. They will not make any more loans for coal-fired power plants.]

Coal represented 25 percent of total U.S. exports in 2012.

11 posted on 07/01/2013 2:27:00 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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Coal represented 25 percent of total U.S. exports in 2012.

Can you provide a little more info on that?

12 posted on 07/01/2013 2:39:41 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

In 2012, the US exported 125,745,662 tons of coal.

http://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/pdf/t7p01p1.pdf

Our total 2012 exports equaled $1,546,455,000,000.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/2012pr/aip/related_party/rp12.pdf

Coal prices widely vary perhaps $75~150 per ton depending on quality, location, etc. Even at $150/ton, it would be about 1% of our exports.


13 posted on 07/01/2013 2:51:24 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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[Can you provide a little more info on that?]

I thought I read it the other day but when I Googled I couldn't find anything. I did find out that U.
S. exports last year were roughly $2 trillion while coal exports were around $16 billion. So I'm way off. Sorry.

14 posted on 07/01/2013 3:15:29 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: thackney

Thanks for the links. I stand corrected.


15 posted on 07/01/2013 3:17:08 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: neverdem
This is the madness at the base of the climate alarmists policy—it actively harms the poor now, with the justification that it might help their grandkids avoid harm in 50 years.

There won't be any grandkids if their grandparents freeze to death.

16 posted on 07/02/2013 12:28:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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Do you see a pattern developing here?.............

My mother had an euphemism for the total collapse of civilization: "burning the books".

I see books as fuel before long.

17 posted on 07/02/2013 12:33:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

One volcanic eruption can, and will, forever skew the data rendering insolvent....


18 posted on 07/02/2013 3:17:06 AM PDT by Jumper
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19 posted on 07/02/2013 9:17:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: Bryanw92

This is a massive election opportunity for the GOP and not just in Coal Country. This is an attack on jobs and the poor and on economic liberty.

People no longer by into the ‘global warming’ hoax and climate change is a garbage word. They do view coal as dirty, but smart PR from coal producers and energy users could undermine that and pronto.

We need to start now, though, because you have to challenge the idea that coal is belching dirty black smoke into the air. Couple that we an economic liberty message and you win.


20 posted on 07/03/2013 3:24:28 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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