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To: OneWingedShark

So then the 5th’s protection against self-incrimination, or the taking of property, liberty, or life simply don’t apply to minors.
I guess that explains why abortion is a right.


I didn’t say it very well. I mean it doesn’t apply in the same way. Children are wards of someone. A child really is not protected by the 4th ammendment. Parents can search their room at will. And the government CAN say what it will feed kids in its own schools. And parents’ organizations can say what printed material their children will be exposed to in their school environemnt. None of these things violate the constitution.

But if the government tries these things with adults, the constitution is clearly violated.


10 posted on 07/02/2013 6:08:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
Children are wards of someone. A child really is not protected by the 4th ammendment.

Ah, so because they are wards of someone they can have their papers or effects searched and seized by a government official at-whim?
Or to be secure in their homes? I suppose this explains why CPS can just bust in on hearsay and take the children. I suppose, too, that this means that teachers can demand entry (to inspect the child's living conditions, or some other pretense) without any warrant [upon probable cause] supported by oath/affirmation.

4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You're viewing the Constitution's relationship to the people in an incorrect manner: the constitution is not about the people, it is about the government — it does not bind your fellow citizen, but it binds your government.

14 posted on 07/02/2013 6:21:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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