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Is America In A Pre-Revolutionary State This July 4th?
FoxNews.com ^ | July 2, 2013 | Roger L. Simon

Posted on 07/02/2013 6:21:52 AM PDT by Biggirl

As we approach July 4, 2013, is America in a pre-revolutionary state? Are we headed for a Tahrir Square of our own with the attendant mammoth social turmoil, possibly even violence.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; cwii; july4th; prerevolutionary
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Are we in a pre-revolutionary state right now?
1 posted on 07/02/2013 6:21:52 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Plenty of triggers in place, that’s for sure.


2 posted on 07/02/2013 6:23:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Biggirl

Yes.


3 posted on 07/02/2013 6:24:08 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Biggirl

Yes, clearly. A free people who once had a voice in how they were governed have entirely lost their voice. Only a minority, constituted of the very wealthy or activist members of “victim” groups, have any sway over representatives in Washington. History says this cannot go on forever. Revolt is actually more likely here than in countries that have never known freedom or representative government, because some Americans know what they’ve lost.


4 posted on 07/02/2013 6:24:36 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Biggirl

“What we done we done for Dixie and nuthin’ else.” —”The Long Riders”


5 posted on 07/02/2013 6:26:54 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ConservativeMan55

Someone said yesterday, there were only a couple hundred protesting and it could never happen here to which I said Yet...

Stupid people anound!


6 posted on 07/02/2013 6:27:28 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: Thane_Banquo

Yes, I agree, I see come this fall, more tea party protests happening. I see the fall because of the time needed to plan such events and also this being summer vacation season.

Look for what is going on now in Egypt with the HUGH protests to be a major preview of what is to come in this country nationwide this coming fall.


7 posted on 07/02/2013 6:27:42 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I do not think so.

We are however, in a period of transition.

We need manufacturing. The Dems and GOP both, seem to have bought full-on into exporting American manufacturing to China.

China needs to buy things. Not make things.

Enough.

Bring back US manufacturing, and return American jobs.

If there is not a party currently supporting such policies, then Sarah Palin and other patriotic Americans should start one.

Buy American.


8 posted on 07/02/2013 6:28:03 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: seeker41

Abound


9 posted on 07/02/2013 6:28:29 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: Biggirl

I would argue that Obama saw the revolution in the faces of tens of thousands on the Mall one cold snowy day. He illegally deployed the IRS to destroy the organizations.

He thwarted the revolution and there is none really on the horizon. The zeal, the fire in the belly is spent.

By and large, conservatives are apathetic


10 posted on 07/02/2013 6:29:03 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: seeker41
and it could never happen here

It happened once, it can happen again. Although, it will have to get much worse than today, I am afraid.

11 posted on 07/02/2013 6:29:04 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes we need manufacturing jobs.

Even so, there is a growing frustration with our political process.

So I have to disagree with you, look for protests come this fall, mark my words.


12 posted on 07/02/2013 6:30:53 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Egypt? You compare us to a culture that has men jumping up and down in the streets? Gimme a break.


13 posted on 07/02/2013 6:32:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: bert

Nope, wrong again, the tea party movement is resurging, on the local, county, and state levels. They are a warm-up.

Look at what is going on now in Egypt to be a preview to what could very well take place in the fall.


14 posted on 07/02/2013 6:32:42 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Yes. Only a couple of things are necessary to ignite it:

1. A charismatic leader
2. A precipitating event

And it’s on ...


15 posted on 07/02/2013 6:33:01 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Puppage

I truely do not know where this people get their news, MSM is the likely culprit I suppose...


16 posted on 07/02/2013 6:33:50 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: Thane_Banquo
...some Americans know what they’ve lost.

Especially older Americans who have lived most of their lives in freedom and have distinct recollections of a very different America.

17 posted on 07/02/2013 6:33:50 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Biggirl
Are we in a pre-revolutionary state right now?

The Founding Fathers would be dismayed that it's still "pre-"

18 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:36 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: GOPJ

To correct you, it does SEND a message back to us, if you want to rescue freedom back to the USA you have to STAND UP for them.


19 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:48 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Except you overlook the one thing I mentioned, which even if everything else remains unchanged, changes things dramatically in America:

Sarah Palin.

Much rides on her approach to World Trade.

The GOP and the Democrats are both anti-American now.

That is the big problem.

If however Sarah does not step up for the fight, then maybe you are right.


20 posted on 07/02/2013 6:35:21 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: IronJack

You got it.


21 posted on 07/02/2013 6:35:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I do not think so. We are however, in a period of transition.

Yep, the pendulum is starting to swing back. That's good.

We're in for change but we're not a bunch of emotional idiots looking for violence. That's who democrats are - and Occupy - and every other brain dead Marxist and inferior culture.

22 posted on 07/02/2013 6:35:54 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: Biggirl
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,...."

I'd suggest that the threshold has been met with no adequate resolution on the horizon.

23 posted on 07/02/2013 6:36:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Keep a close eye on her.


24 posted on 07/02/2013 6:36:10 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Paladin2

I am CONFIDENT that will change in the future.


25 posted on 07/02/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
No we are no where near a pre-revolutionary state right now. The GOP, the conservatives are done for. They are toast. Pull out the burkas, its just a matter of time.

Electronic voting machines are easy to hijack. The technocrats rule the roost. Sarah Palin can go pound sand for all they care. There are no legal means to stop the left from taking every election from now until doomsday. The GOP is too stupid to take back control of voting machines.

From the point of view of the left, they own the show, they have mind controlled the illiterati and paid off the minorities with low cost cell phones, eternal unemployment benefits and free health care.

As long as the left controls the masses, those who bleed for our country are throwing away their lives needlessly.

26 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:02 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The gov't is supposed to be your servant. Your are not supposed to be its wage slave.)
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To: Biggirl

Standing up for Freedom is one thing - and we support that - but violence? Nah, that’s a liberal wet dream concocted by the FBI and the Southern Poverty Law Center. It’s also the delusion the IRS was functioning under...


27 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: Biggirl

How will we know when it is time?


28 posted on 07/02/2013 6:39:02 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: x_plus_one

“No we are no where near a pre-revolutionary state right now. The GOP, the conservatives are done for. They are toast. Pull out the burkas, its just a matter of time.
Electronic voting machines are easy to hijack. The technocrats rule the roost. Sarah Palin can go pound sand for all they care. There are no legal means to stop the left from taking every election from now until doomsday. The GOP is too stupid to take back control of voting machines.

From the point of view of the left, they own the show, they have mind controlled the illiterati and paid off the minorities with low cost cell phones, eternal unemployment benefits and free health care.

As long as the left controls the masses, those who bleed for our country are throwing away their lives needlessly.”

Hate to burst your bubble, but as the saying goes, “when push comes to sholve”.

In other words, this WILL NOT END WELL for the left.


29 posted on 07/02/2013 6:40:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I cannot see another revolution happening, nor would I want to. The best outcome would be a breakdown of the federal government with all of its over-reaching programs and a return to localism. Then, individual states could do what the feds refuse to do....protect the population from invasion and institute policies that bring back self-sufficiency and manufacturing, and put education back to communities and health care back to individuals.


30 posted on 07/02/2013 6:40:51 AM PDT by grania
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To: x_plus_one

No, the left is not an all-pervasive Big Brother that has permanently marginalized conservatives. They do not possess that level of power.

And don’t conflate the GOP with conservatives.


31 posted on 07/02/2013 6:40:56 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Biggirl

Yes. There are so many societal trip wires strewn all over the place that it is starting to look like a spider’s web.

Not “if”, but “when”...


32 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: GOPJ

Am I asking for violence, NO.

What we could see is a peaceful effort to take the country back.


33 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:10 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Dead Corpse

You got that right.


34 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

>>Are we in a pre-revolutionary state right now?

Not yet. The people who want a return to a self-sufficient America are too busy working and spending to risk their livelihoods in a revolt. They won’t even call out sick for a week to join in a general strike and mildly-violent protest. We may see some short (1-2 hours) Tea party protests in the Fall, but they will be extremely civil and well-behaved and meaningless.

A protest has to be messy with an underlying threat of direct action to be effective. Anything less is just a pep rally for “our” team and has no effect on the opposition.


35 posted on 07/02/2013 6:43:08 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: bert

Speaking for yourself? While many, by and large, are eager to set things right, how we resolve it is in question. Until we have a defined goal, most do not know what to do or even how to do it. The past methods for resolving discontent (elections) have been thwarted, so we need to find another way to be heard. I wish I knew what to do, cuz I’d be there.


36 posted on 07/02/2013 6:43:54 AM PDT by PuzzledInTX (Everything will be OK in the end. If it is not OK, then it isn't the end.)
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To: Bryanw92

Ever heard of the words, “going Galt?”


37 posted on 07/02/2013 6:45:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Puppage
It happened once, it can happen again. Although, it will have to get much worse than today, I am afraid.

Actually twice if you count the War of Northern Aggression as one and the Revolutionary war as the other.

38 posted on 07/02/2013 6:45:30 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: seeker41
MSM is the likely culprit I suppose...

Coupled with lazy people who depend on Brian Williams, et al to TELL them how to think & feel.

Let's be honest......more people can readily tell you who got kicked off The Survivor Island than tell you the name of The Speaker of The House.It's just not important enough for them.....yet.

39 posted on 07/02/2013 6:45:52 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Biggirl

No, we will just roll over and let the Left rape us, like we have for the last several decades.

Sure, there is plenty of anger, but I seriously don’t see any action to meaningfully resist the Left on the part of conservatives. The GOP is irrelevant and impotent. They have caved, like so many other so-called conservatives. Perhaps it’s good that I see no action, because planning for such action will necessarily require extreme secrecy to avoid a profligate government’s swift strike. Any revolution will have to be quick, thorough, and shockingly bloody. Most conservatives are too soft and queasy to stomach such a possibility.

But, I believe America is dead. Popular entertainment has lobotomized us.


40 posted on 07/02/2013 6:46:40 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Biggirl

I recently read “The Way of Men,” by Jack Donovan. Great little book on many levels.

His take on what it will take to turn the country around is a total reset after further decline creates enough disillusionment, and a crisis then ushers in chaos, and small, brutal gangs of men rule locally for an extended period after the State has become impotent.

He says so much more than that, and says it succinctly and well, but that is the only way he sees things going into the future. In his opinion, the State and the Global, corporate economy - which meets the needs of women, but not men - is not based on a sustainable understanding of human nature, and the fault lines are already appearing, and will worsen until it all falls apart. This is compatible with the way my thinking has evolved in recent years.


41 posted on 07/02/2013 6:46:57 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Biggirl

The whole world is in a pre-holocaust state right now.

Obama is going to have a worse legacy than Adolph.


42 posted on 07/02/2013 6:47:00 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Bryanw92

43 posted on 07/02/2013 6:47:27 AM PDT by Phillyred
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Plus I had seen on CSpan a few weeks back an anti-IRS protest taking place in DC. I view that as a test run to possible future protests down the road.


44 posted on 07/02/2013 6:47:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: IronJack
Yes. Only a couple of things are necessary to ignite it:

1. A charismatic leader
2. A precipitating event

Nothing will get off the ground without massive organization, and no organization of the type needed will go unnoticed by the government. Without this, we will just be a bunch of disconnected organisms flailing our arms in vain.

Perhaps you intended this by your first mention of a leader. He would, indeed, have to lead at the level of a Washington.

45 posted on 07/02/2013 6:50:06 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

This is an eye-opener. This guy very excellent in his predictions:

Gerald Celente.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80F8mY1tcxA


46 posted on 07/02/2013 6:50:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I think politicians are like criminals. They will not stop until forced. We shall see how much force it will take.


47 posted on 07/02/2013 6:50:34 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Biggirl

>>Ever heard of the words, “going Galt?”

Of course I have. Not seeing much of it. Actually, I’m not seeing ANY of if since that implies dropping out of society and the economy completely. Even if a small number of wealthy people choose to do so, that is not a revolution since mega-corps and banks own our economy so their disappearance is not as important as it is Ayn Rand’s novel.

A revolution requires the little people to take direct action. Whining is not an action.


48 posted on 07/02/2013 6:51:22 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Phillyred

LOL. A lazy Paul Revere who “phones it in” and goes back to playing games is exactly what I’m talking about.


49 posted on 07/02/2013 6:53:03 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Biggirl

Pre-Civil War II.


50 posted on 07/02/2013 6:53:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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