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Prosecutors in Zimmerman Trial Ask Jury to Disregard Comments (Too favorable towards Zimmerman)
The New York Times ^ | July 2, 2013 | Cara Buckley

Posted on 07/02/2013 3:53:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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101 posted on 07/02/2013 6:11:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SkyPilot

“She looks like Meatloaf wearing glasses!”

Ha!! I was actually referring to the judge! Corey looks, to quote Jim Bouton: “Like Joe Torre with t-ts!”


102 posted on 07/02/2013 6:18:50 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: mrsmel

I hope that holds true. How in the world can the prosecution discount testimony merely because it’s favorable to Zimmerman, and came from an official?


Because the fix is in.


103 posted on 07/02/2013 6:23:25 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: ShasheMac

Pretty convincing disguise, isn’t it?


104 posted on 07/02/2013 6:31:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, but I get the sickening feeling that whats going to happen here is the prosecution is going to put the Mother on the stand to cry, and the Jury is going to get soft, especially since the Judge has pretty much ruled that no negative info about “baby Trayvon” can come in.

I don’t think they will get GZ on murder 2, but I think they are going to introduce manslaughter and get him on the absurd idea that he “shouldn’t have gotten out of his car”.

Oh, and there will still be riots as the “Celebrations” will turn into riots.


105 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:56 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The charge of 2nd degree murder was intended to inflame blacks and then to insure Zimmerman’s acquittal—so that we could have a summer of ‘unrest.’ This has become obvious to me.


106 posted on 07/02/2013 6:59:35 PM PDT by Misterioso (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing - Duke Ellington)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
I have had inklings several times that the prosecution is deliberately throwing the case.

That was lurking in the back of my mind. These endless examples of incompetence do seem to be intentional.

107 posted on 07/02/2013 7:01:33 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: colorado tanker

Why the objection to the obviously biased judge in an obvious political show trial?

Common practice in any totalitarian nation....Communist China, the old Soviet Union, Communist Vietnam, etc etc.

A corrupt and politically controlled judicial system is s.o.p. in any tin pot dictatorship where rule of law has been overthrown....USA for instance. Where Obama enforces only laws he likes and subverts the Constitution regularly.

Happily, the idiot RINO Repubs and the Dems will pass amnesty for about 30 million undocumented low income Democrat voters, so the Constitution can be safely buried under the yoke of Police State tyranny for maybe 100 years.


108 posted on 07/02/2013 7:09:51 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“... but drew no immediate objection from the state.”

Were they asleep? They let their own witness testify as to the credibility of the defendant? Then waited to move to strike, so the jury could hear it all again from the judge when he told them to disregard it? Apart from the obviously weak merits of the case, that’s just really awful lawyering. Meanwhile, it worked out well for the defense, but I wonder how they got down that road. I assume it had something to do with why there was no immediate arrest. If so, how in the world did the prosecution not see that coming? That’s worth a look.


109 posted on 07/02/2013 7:14:42 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Paladin2

I think the prosecution might loose this case, which would be hugh. Do you think so to? If so, your right. But whose really to say?

Ugh.


110 posted on 07/02/2013 7:31:51 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Steely Tom

O’Mara asked that question rather quickly following another question. And the cop answered it immediately.

And the way the press reporting it is wrong. He didn’t say Zimmerman “seemed” to be telling the truth. He said he “believed” Zimmerman was telling the truth.


111 posted on 07/02/2013 7:43:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: SkyPilot

No WONDER I flunked Math!


112 posted on 07/02/2013 7:47:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tennmountainman

Martin was a black teenager. Zimmerman is a “white” Hispanic adult. According to these liberals cowards, Zimmerman would have had to be dead before he thought his life was in danger.


113 posted on 07/02/2013 7:51:47 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: 11th Commandment

The defense would always make the motion, though they may not believe they are going to get it, they would make the motion.

On appeal, one issue may then be that the motion was improperly denied.

There is no way this judge will take the responsibility for dismissing these charges.

I’m assuming she is an elected judge, but even if not, she will not assume a duty that she can avoid.


114 posted on 07/02/2013 8:11:26 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Pollster1

“Wanna kiss me, ducky?”


115 posted on 07/02/2013 8:11:36 PM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: SkyPilot
female juries tend towards emotion rather than facts

My heart sank when I heard it was an all women jury.

Some of these chicks might not be able to get over the fact that a 17 yr old "child" was killed, no matter the circumstances. Everything that might point at this kid being a punk looking for trouble will fall on deaf ears. Their decision could be based on emotion and sympathy only.

116 posted on 07/02/2013 8:12:49 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Cboldt

Is the necessary inclusion of manslaughter embedded in Florida law? I was under the impression that there was a specific agreement between prosecution and defense that murder 2 was it in this case - no manslaughter inclusion.

I am nowhere near a lawyer, just trying to understand.


117 posted on 07/02/2013 8:12:54 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: MortMan
Is the necessary inclusion of manslaughter embedded in Florida law? I was under the impression that there was a specific agreement between prosecution and defense that murder 2 was it in this case - no manslaughter inclusion.

A judge should only instruct on manslaughter if the evidence would be consistent with such a verdict. I really really dislike the notion that a judge should interpret the evidence, but in the case at hand both the defense and prosecutor have effectively stipulated that TM's death was not accidental. If both prosecutor and defendant agree that the evidence is inconsistent with a manslaughter, I can't see any basis whatsoever for the judge to disagree.

118 posted on 07/02/2013 8:30:55 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

Thanks, supercat.

Oh - and I covet your tagline! ;-P


119 posted on 07/02/2013 8:58:30 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: silentknight

I sadly agree with you. If found not guilty, there will be riots, and who knows where they won’t be. I bet even if found guilty, there will still be riots, but the “hunting” they do will explode all over the country. There will be a lot more incidents of whites and Asians being violently assaulted and sometimes killed.


120 posted on 07/02/2013 9:01:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: 11th Commandment
Any Freeper Lawyers?
QUESTION - Will the Defense move to dismiss charges after the Prosecution rests.
It seems Judge would have to dismiss at least the 2nd degree murder charge? Correct


I am not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so with that segue, here's what I think of your question. In the article, it said that he could still be convicted of manslaughter, but the state would actually have to argue for manslaughter in the closing of their case, which would doom their second degree murder case. In other words, the jury can only consider manslaughter, if the prosecution argues that is what he should be convicted of. I don't think, given the barrel that this puts the prosecution over, that the defense would let them off the hook with their unethical over-charging in this case.

As I understand it, as soon as this case is finished, their is a line of attorneys who can't wait to file ethics charges against this prosecutor for withholding exculpatory evidence from the judge who issued the arrest warrant for second degree murder.

It looks like she is going to get "Nifonged" professionally (ethics complaints and disbarment), civilly (if the prosecutor can be shown to have withheld evidence, it is a criminal offense, and she can be sued, personally). Unfortunately, the taxpayers of Florida are also going to be on the hook for a few bucks here too, IMHO.
121 posted on 07/02/2013 9:19:07 PM PDT by krogers58
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To: MortMan
-- Is the necessary inclusion of manslaughter embedded in Florida law? --

Yes.

See this June 29, 2013 post which refers and links to State v. Wimberly, 498 So. 2d 929 (Fla. 1986); and this post from earlier the same day, referring to Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure RULE 3.510. Finally, see this post from the same day which enumerates the necessarily included offense (manslaughter) and the permissive included offenses (also referred to as "Category Two" offenses), and a cite to Jamerson v. State that describes the conditions for giving a category two, permissive lesser included charge, to the jury.

-- I was under the impression that there was a specific agreement between prosecution and defense that murder 2 was it in this case - no manslaughter inclusion. --

If the jury gets the case, they must be given the manslaughter instruction. Nobody has discretion on that, not even the judge.

I don't know if, when the judge gets the case on a motion for judgment of acquittal, she must also consider manslaughter. The statute and conforming rule refer to "the jury." I haven't looked for case law on what happens if the judge takes the decision out of the hands of the jury because the state has failed to meet its burden. I don't think knowing that law matters in the Zimmerman case because even if the law says Zimmerman is entitled to a motion for judgment of acquittal, this judge won't follow the law in that regard.

122 posted on 07/03/2013 2:05:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Batman11
Corey looks, to quote Jim Bouton: “Like Joe Torre with t-ts!”

You're right.

For some reason, Corey reminds me of the "Wise Latina" lesbian sitting on the SC.

I think liberalism is always ugly because it is the face of wickedness. Even if you don't have natural beauty, the beauty of God will shine through that person if they love Him. If they don't, that shows.


123 posted on 07/03/2013 2:41:34 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: wastedyears
There will be a lot more incidents of whites and Asians being violently assaulted and sometimes killed.

Reminds me of the old Fram oil filter commercial: Pay me now or pay ME later.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq3wL8ZXjBU


When the whole Ponzi scheme of our 'economy' collapses; there'll be riots in the streets anyway.

124 posted on 07/03/2013 3:23:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oatka

It was the prosecutor who made Rachel Jeantel repeat “creepy ass cracka” over and over, for example, making sure the jury got it.

There have been more than a few times I suspected that the prosecution is deliberately throwing the case.

It’s defense attorneys who are typically the slimeballs who do everything they can to bring about injustice, so they can line their pockets. Not the prosecution.

These guys were given marching orders from above, and they have to know the defendant is not guilty.


125 posted on 07/03/2013 3:59:45 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: Cboldt

Thanks, Cboldt. I hope I am this clear and concise when I write about my own specialized fields of endeavor!


126 posted on 07/03/2013 5:41:04 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: MortMan
-- I hope I am this clear and concise when I write about my own specialized fields of endeavor! --

I have plenty of room for improvement, but I think anybody can "get there." It just takes practice. Work on it.

Thank you for your kind compliment . . . sir.

127 posted on 07/03/2013 5:47:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Procyon
There is only one charge against Zimmerman: murder in the second degree. There are no lesser charges. If the prosecution has failed to provide sufficient evidence of depraved mind then the judge can issue a directed verdict of acquittal. The prosecution cannot reduce the charge once the trial has begun.

Interesting because all the pundits keep talking that the jury could find him guilty on Manslaughter. But as I search the internet I can not find any charges on Manslaughter. I read articles and forums from 2012 and even supporters of 2nd degrees argued against Manslaughter. I think the line between certain types of Manslaughter and self defense is so thin that no prosecutor would have brought it to a jury.

After the prosecution rests, the judge should acquit. Zimmerman doesn't need to take the stand because the prosecution played interviews of Zimmerman that were not self incriminating. Why be cross-examined now?

128 posted on 07/03/2013 6:16:57 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

None of this matters.

The media is reporting negatively for Zimmerman.

The jury might just acquit him.

The media will act astonished.

The race-baiters will inflame the hoods and campuses.

There will be rioting.

The media will love it and bait it.

It’s what the liberals and race-baiters and media have wanted all along.


129 posted on 07/03/2013 6:58:39 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: DoughtyOne

Disagree with the ruling. The detective was testifying about his interrogation of Zimmerman and the reasons he conducted it in the way he did. Therefore his assessment of Zimmerman’s truth fullness as he went along and what that assessment meant to the investigation, were all relevant.

He also said he believed Zimmerman and that he found zero evidence Zimmerman racially profiled TM.

Keep in mind this “mistake” may be by the judge and could result in the successful appeal of a Z conviction.


130 posted on 07/03/2013 7:07:57 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: SkyPilot

Ha, I remember her and that case. She was under the protection of so many FreeRepublic women here when they decided to unleash the chicken coop at me for saying Yates should be given the death penalty. I was told at the time that I didnt understand the stress a woman canbe under sometimes.


131 posted on 07/03/2013 7:20:20 AM PDT by Necrovore (Lu"gen offenbahren Kontrolle)
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To: Williams
He also said he believed Zimmerman and that he found zero evidence Zimmerman racially profiled TM.

This gets me as well - racially profiling TM wouldn't mean that GZ is guilty.

132 posted on 07/03/2013 7:21:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
This entire disgusting travesty of justice is and always has been a “show trial”. There clearly was never any way to establish that Mr. Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. And as you say, "racially profiling TM wouldn't mean that GZ is guilty" or wasn't acting in self defense.

According to most "Racial profiling" in this case basically means that based on his previous experiences Mr. Zimmerman reasonably suspected that TM was engaging in suspicious behavior. Does that suspicion mean that GZ wasn't allowed to defend himself?

This trial is an attempt by the establishment to placate a certain segment of the population who are predisposed towards committing acts of violence and thievery against other people and businesses.

This segment of the population has been egged on by an irresponsible press, irresponsible politicians, and irresponsible public officials up to and including our irresponsible president. These people were manipulated for the purpose of advancing a specific agenda.

Once the wrecking ball started rolling... the damage was inevitable. No matter what the outcome we are all going to pay a price. The damage has already been done... we just don't know yet whether in the end what proportion it will be in the form of murdered and injured innocent people and stolen goods or the wreckage of the reputation of what is left of our legal system.

133 posted on 07/03/2013 9:48:58 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: OldArmy52

I have no idea what you said.


134 posted on 07/03/2013 10:14:01 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Cboldt

Completely agree.


135 posted on 07/03/2013 10:15:37 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Hard to un-ring a bell."

I've heard a prosecutor use the phrase "throw a skunk in the jury box and ask them not to smell it". Both phrases drive home the point that the knowledge can't be undone.

136 posted on 07/03/2013 10:31:09 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: fireman15

I think the outrage is based in the idea that a black thug was killed while imposing a beatdown/murder on a non-black.

I think this is the basis for their rage - the sense of entitlement to initiate “payback” beatdowns with impunity.


137 posted on 07/03/2013 10:39:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cboldt
"It's okay to ask about defendant's tone, demeanor and other indicia. The issue comes when assigning ultimate conclusion. E.g., "(I think)"

Along this same line of questioning, I was really unnerved by the "medical examiner" making definitive conclusions based solely on reviewing pictures of Zimmerman that she called "distorted". She admitted that she doesn't understand physics, which means she doesn't understand how the physical world works (including gravity). She kept proclaiming that the injuries to each part of Mr. Z's head was from a single contact. How can her "expert" opinion be any more valid than the 2 detectives who believed, based on their training and experience, that Mr. Z was telling the truth?

MOM did a pretty good job at cross examining her, but I think he'd have made a better defense if he brought in a skull and made her demonstrate how a single contact to a hard, oval object can cause multiple specific contusions, bruises, and swelling on other parts of the scalp.

138 posted on 07/03/2013 10:51:37 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Disregard”???

They’re trying hard to railroad Zimmerman. But unfortunately for the prosecutor, what has been heard, cannot be unheard.

Ain’t it a shame....


139 posted on 07/03/2013 11:26:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Cboldt
Also, the medical examiner said unequivocally that Zimmerman didn't lose consciousness. Preposterous! How does she know that from pictures?

Here's a good example of what can happen:

Forrest Griffin is the former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion and is well known for being able to take massive punishment. In the following video at 6:28, Griffin is fighting Anderson Silva, who is probably the most accurate striker in MMA history. It looks like Griffin is merely tapped by Silva and he collapses like a rag doll...

Anderson Silva Highlight Compilation (Best MMA Fighter Ever)

Many times, a fighter is caught with a good strike to the head and they are declared technically knocked out. The fighter almost always is still active, grabbing the opponents leg or the ref and they refuse to believe they were TKO'ed until they see the replay on the big screen. Zimmerman would not even know he was briefly unconscious.

Also, other commentators have said that blocking someone's airway is not part of MMA. Such ignorance - it's a BIG part of Brazilian Jujutsu (BJJ) and "ground and pound".

So, combine an initial strike to the head that breaks Zimmerman's nose, with his head hitting the concrete, then having his breathing disrupted - I would be surprised if he wasn't at least briefly unconscious and highly incapacitated from lack of O2 without even knowing it. I've seen it many, many times during MMA fights (one of my favorite sports).

All this, plus Martin having Zimmerman under "full mount" which is almost impossible for experienced fighters to escape under the best of conditions, then Martin goes for Zimmerman's gun... no one could deny that Zimmerman was in serious trouble!

140 posted on 07/03/2013 11:34:59 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense
-- no one could deny that Zimmerman was in serious trouble! --

And that's before the state of Florida decided to ruin his life.

141 posted on 07/03/2013 12:07:51 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Williams

I haven’t seen the ruling. I’m not sure what he was thinking. Perhaps he believes the Detective is providing an opinion prevented according to law. That seems a strange concept, but there are times when the law does come down on things a little different than what we would expect.

I’m not sure you are off base here. It may be a good point to use during an appeal.


142 posted on 07/03/2013 1:51:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ping...


143 posted on 07/04/2013 3:30:39 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Williams
Keep in mind this “mistake” may be by the judge and could result in the successful appeal of a Z conviction.

One of many. The other day the judge told defense counsel they had five minutes to finish their re-cross examination of a witness.

144 posted on 07/05/2013 4:15:33 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TrayBama:

When Zimmerman is acquitted, all the TrayBama sympathizers are going to hit the streets and riot like there’s no tomorrow.

The ugly side of the race baiters will backfire on them.

Bring it on!


145 posted on 07/07/2013 2:36:28 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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