Skip to comments.Do Traditional Marriage Supporters Deserve to Be Treated with Dignity?
Posted on 07/06/2013 10:47:35 AM PDT by IbJensen
Some people cant seem to understand why anyone would support marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Indeed, Justice Anthony Kennedy argued last week that the only reason Congress had for passing the Defense of Marriage Act was to disparage, injure, degrade, demean, and humiliate others. Justice Kennedy says were denying dignity to people in same-sex relationships.
But it is his ruling that denies dignity to those who dont think a same-sex relationship is a marriage. His ruling denies dignity to the millions of Americans and their elected officials who have voted to pass laws that tell the truth about marriage.
The rhetoric from the Court attacking the goodwill of the majority of Americanswho know marriage is the union of a man and a womanis not helpful. The marriage debate will continue, and all Americans need to be civil and respectful.
Already, however, we have seen that those in favor of redefining marriage are willing to use the coercive force of law to marginalize and penalize those who hold the historic view of marriageeven if it means trampling First Amendment religious liberty protections along the way. This is already evident in Massachusetts, Illinois, and Washington, D.C., where Christian adoption agencies have been forced to stop providing adoption and foster care services.
Legal challenges have been brought against wedding-related service providers who believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, after they declined to participate in ceremonies that would have violated their consciences. A photographer in New Mexico, a florist in Washington, and a baker in Colorado have already been victims of such intolerant coercion.
Our interest in marriage policy from the beginning has been to ensure that a man and woman commit to each other as husband and wife to be father and mother to any children they create. This gives children the best chance at a flourishing future. When children have that, liberals are less likely to succeed in their efforts to grow the welfare state. It is impossible for the government to redefine marriage to make fathers optional and for society to insist at the same time that fathers are essential.
In its ruling last week, the Supreme Court refused to wrestle with any of the serious scholarly arguments that support marriage policy as the union of a man and a woman, and instead declared that Congress acted solely out of ill will.
It is outrageous to suggest that 342 Members of the House, 85 Senators, and President Bill Clinton were all acting on the basis of anti-gay bias in 1996, when the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was enacted. As Chief Justice Roberts says in his dissent, I would not tar the political branches with bigotry.
Indeed, as Heritage has argued repeatedly, there are valid reasons to oppose the redefinition of marriagewhich those House Members, Senators, and President Clinton took into account. Marriage matters for children, civil society, and limited government, because children deserve a mother and a father, and when this doesnt happen, social costs run high.
Citizens and their elected representatives have the constitutional authority to make policy that recognizes marriage as the union of a man and a woman. States will lead the way even as we work to restore clear marriage policy at the federal level. And in the states, support for marriage as the union of a man and a woman remains strong.
The Heritage Foundation will be joining with millions of Americans to ensure that support for marriage continues to grow and that marriage proponents can express their views in this debate. Go to TheMarriageFacts.com today to download your free copy of our e-book on marriage. And continue to speak out boldly about why marriagethat union of one man and one womanis important for children, civil society, and limited government.
Idiotic liberal politicians and judges are afraid of offending the homosexuals, lesbians, negros, Mexicans, Muslims and the entire gaggle of ingredients that poison this melting pot we call America.
Contrary to leftist crowing: Diversity is NOt our strength. These groups have the biased press and cowardly politicians bashing Christians and Jews that demonstrate that their goal is to attract as many subhumans as possible to the Democrat party where they'll all swim along the bottom like a bunch of carp eating up all the crap!
Homosexuals do that to themselves.
Or is Kennedy declaring the "assless chaps brigade" the new normal?
“You must realize that at its inception and in continual practice marriage is simply a license to f***. Without this and the resulting children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would it exist.” — Captain Compassion
Assuming this is an original quote, Captain, I must assume that you are a homosexual marriage sycophant, or perhaps practice the unusual method of getting your jollies.
You, sir, are a scholar and a poet.
How much respect for a mans dignity do I have for a man who places his sexual organ in the rectum of another man? Or who kneels in front of this man to give him a Monica/
With all due respect for Justice Kennedy I have no respect for their dignity whatsoever. Nor do I have any respect for a Justice of the Supreme Court who thinks such queers deserve dignity.
I have no respect for a woman who slops at the Y either.
These are sick people, if they admit their sickness and try for a cure then they deserve respect.
Not when they try to convince others that their sickness is normal.
What is interesting to me is that the same people who would on principle claim teaching children alternative theories to evolution such as creationism would be a dire travesty have little problem with a redefinition of marriage that is based on something that is patently incorrect even if one doesn’t see it explicitly as morally repugnant. These same types can summarily suspend reason when it comes to human sexuality and refuse to even measure the pros or cons of such a redefinition or even whether it is worth the hassle.
We have no problem at all dissuading a child from doing incorrect things. We correct them when they are bad at math, we stop them from eating poisons, we teach them not to put peas up their noses but instead of teaching them the most commonsense and intuitive ideas about sex and gender that if you are born a girl then you should mate and marry boys and vice versa these same people who get enraged over teaching kids an alternative to evolution take an entirely different counterintuitive path.
Instead of doing what is logical and indeed conservative which is deal with those special cases where individuals insist on expressing gender non aligned desires we have this expectation that the whole of culture should be rewritten to not just tolerate but to force the 96% to embrace gender nonconformity even when it is harmful or the result of abuse. So instead of taking the same limited government approach dealing with the exceptions and aberrations for what they are we are now embarking on a path to force everyone into the same boat. Already we are seeing increasing efforts to make simply believing in biologically correct gender aligned sexuality as bigotry when it is nothing more than the most intuitive and commonsense position.
The irony is that Darwinism by its core concepts is non supportive of homosexuality. Anything that interferes with the reproduction of an organism is inherently harmful to it from an evolutionary standard but of course this like the misanthropic global alarmism highlights the cognitive dissonance and cultural opportunism of the left which has little to do with equality but in creating a world where they are the maintainers of the exceptions and the suppressors of the natural emergent rules.
Much like Obamacare which instead of simply trying to address the small percentage of Americans without some form of healthcare they instead aim to force everyone into the same bucket with the exceptions and make the exceptions the basis for the rules. Its idiocy whether you are talking about sex or healthcare and it illustrates the core problem we face in America today which is an inherent irrationality.
IbJensen, how are we to be civil when cultural barbarians are storming the gates?
Consider President Obama. Does any intelligent person doubt for a moment that he favored Sodomite marriage all along? In other words, he openly lied to us about evolving on the issue. He lied to get elected. Now he unabashedly supports the Sodomites.
I’d really love to be civil, but that’s hard when one side of the debate repeatedly lies. I suppose I could even learn to be civil with that, but that’s not the half of it. The Sodomites and their fans aren’t interested in tolerance. They seek to silence anyone who disagrees with them. Their intentions are quite clear.
In some ways, America is like Egypt. We think we’re electing leaders who will respect the diversity they claim to love. We think they’ll respect us as fellow Americans even if they don’t agree with us, and we hope they won’t their voting majorities and the law as cudgels against us. Well, that’s just not how the left fights.
I think the right just doesn’t yet understand they are dealing with people who don’t think like us. We keep trying to engage in civil debate against people who have no intention of being civil to us. They only use civility as a means to get power, and then the masks come off.
As Saul Alinsky wrote, ridicule is powerful. Its time we use it on gay “marriage”.
Justice Anthony Kennedy argued last week that the only reason Congress had for passing the Defense of Marriage Act was to disparage, injure, degrade, demean, and humiliate others.
For one thing, it cannot be consummated by a reproductive act, and under traditional principles is void at its initiation.
Frankly, I wish Heritage & Jim DeMint would get over the idea that they need to tread cautiously in affirming values & protecting American interests. I am still very troubled about how they handled the Jason Richwine Incident. There can be no taboo subjects, where the survival of American values & purpose are concerned.
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Ib Jensen is doing just fine. He’s able to express himself without using foul language, which puts him well ahead of you.
We won’t comply. We didn’t comply when a tyrant tore down our monasteries, killed our priests and executed our bishops.
We won’t comply when a similar tyrant tries the same.
You are absolutely correct. Much of Academia, and the talking heads & mimicking keyboards of the mass media, who repeat what they never had the sense to challenge in College, are caught up in a compulsive need to postulate various forms of human interchangeability or equivalence. Whatever challenges the accepted foolishness must be vilified & suppressed. (See, Compassion or Compulsion?)
The "issue" over marriage, is only a reflection of the irrational mindset to which you refer.
I use the F-word because it has the express meaning of
co·i·tus (k-t s, k—) n. Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina. [Latin, from past participle of co re, to ...
This is the usual way that children are created. This is inpossible in a same sex marriage.
I doubt that very much. I think you just have a foul mouth.
Yes, supporters of traditional marriage deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
Are they treated so? No, they are not.
Was the Miss USA contestant who said she believed marriage was a man and a woman treated with dignity and respect? The homosexual pageant judge in that case took it on himself to launch a campaign of harrassment and character assassination against her. A compliant media gave him lots of air time,on programs such as The Today Show,for his ranting and raving against this girl.
What about the Chick Fill A case? The owner of the company says that he personally believes marriage is a man and a woman. His company does not discriminate against homosexuals or anyone else. His company complies with all laws regarding discrimination. Yet his company was targeted for boycotts and vandalism, because of his view that marriage is a man and a woman.
We are past the point of no return on this issue. Anyone who indicates belief that marriage is a man and a woman, and that this definition should prevail in our laws, is now to be targeted as a “hater”, “homophobic”, and any other pejorative term. Liberals will seek to destroy such people. You can’t just disagree with liberals on marriage any longer. Now we have reached a point in which such people are targeted for destruction.
Please see “Brave New World” to discover your error.
I notice that you don’t live anywhere as well.
In recent history Russia has only done one thing that I consider beyond reproach. The government has enacted a ‘keep your mouth shut about your homosexual and lesbian behavior’ law.
Punishable by a prison offence is any attempt whatsoever to propagate the evil behavior of same-sex sexual relations.
With a right wing Conservative government here it would be possible to enact such legislation. However, with a mainly liberal Congress and courts system it would be impossible. The supposedly Conservative talk show hosts like Glen Beck and the ‘slightly’ left of center O’Reilly refer to the perverts as ‘gay’.
“I notice that you dont live anywhere as well.”
“I doubt that very much. I think you just have a foul mouth.”
Profanity is not allowed on Free Republic.
Stalin opposed Darwinism as a biological theory because it went against the Marxist notion that human beings by education, can be reshaped to fit the economic needs of society. So by an act of will we can defeat nature.
Does the enemy want to keep their teeth? Treat everyone with dignity except when they exhibit blatantly indignitified or perverse behavior.
“Please see Brave New World to discover your error.”
You do know that “Brave New World” is a work of fiction don’t you?
Do you know the meaning of “cautionary tale?”
It is so utterly dismaying and revealing as to how this question even needs to be asked in the first place.
We are surely witnessing the triumph of cultural marxism. The definition of marriage as being some variation of men and women (ideally one man and one woman) is being expropriated so as to apply to a grotesquerie called same sex marriage; the notion of which has never existed in human civillization to any degree other than in the last fifty years or so.
Culturtal Marxism is economic marxism translated into cultural terms The CM are expropriating that which rightfully belongs to one entity and transferring it to another to whom it does not belong.
Marriage aint the only thing. It is occuring in almost every major institution in the nation and world.