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New Scouting Program: “Press Conference with New Interim Director”
OnMyHonor.Net ^ | 7/09/2013 | Rob Green

Posted on 07/09/2013 1:55:18 PM PDT by MacNaughton

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To: GeronL

I dont think a stranger should “lay down the law” ... we agree.
I am only noting that there are many parents (including single parents, given our modern society) that do look to scouting to help provide good guidance for the boys

Lord knows I realize the scouts can’t do everything.
I was only attempting to recognize that scouting does help with this for many, many boys, and indeed this is a key factor why many parents seek to enroll their boys in scouting these days.

I will quiet down, I never intended to raise an issue with anyone other than to say that parents should pull their kids OUT of the new scouts which appear to be both approving and possibly enabling bad choices of “lifestyles”

put the boys into a scout-type organization that at least tries to uphold proper values and that encourages the boys to try to learn a positive (traditional) “lifestyle”

if that is controversial, I withdraw the comment.
It was meant to be quite traditional and not upsetting to anybody who is likely to read it here.

Thanks for your input, I realize I do not have all the answers.

51 posted on 07/09/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: faithhopecharity

its not their place to discuss with other peoples kids. Neither for the schools

52 posted on 07/09/2013 10:04:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

ok but just keep in mind please...that a lot of parents seek to put their boys into scouts for positive role models and for some good guidance...
and NOT just to learn how to tie knots.

this especially applies to single mothers, who otherwise have so very few places to get any help at all in raising boys to become good men

just a thought.
it is a reality, I know that much and I also know, can attest, that many many boys do so benefit form scouting, to the eternal gratitude of their parents (especially single moms and there are, unfortunately, so many single moms these days with boys they somehow have to find help raising)
best regards,

53 posted on 07/09/2013 10:10:21 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: faithhopecharity

if they wanna be the SexEd Scouts you can count me as a staunch enemy

54 posted on 07/09/2013 10:14:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks...sounds like they’re gonna experience another massive exodus.

Out of Egypt.

55 posted on 07/10/2013 2:15:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: MacNaughton

I like the focus on sexual purity. So much is lost when that broad net is not cast.

56 posted on 07/10/2013 3:46:33 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: faithhopecharity
From my own personal experience as a Scouter, when trying to organize a new Cub Scout Pack down in Leesburg, VA, a few years ago, too many parents thought BSA stood for "Baby Sitters of America".

They wanted a daycare organization where they could drop off Junior for a couple of hours while they had "quality time" with a bottle of wine. They balked at the idea of spending that time with their son at the pack and den meetings.

I will watch this organization's development with interest and will try and volunteer with them in New Hampshire. They will have to keep the BSA's "Two-Deep Leadership" and "Youth Protection" programs, but they will mean something in this new organization. Obviously, they are now a sham in the BSA.

57 posted on 07/10/2013 6:52:26 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: SoFloFreeper
55 Thanks...sounds like they’re gonna experience another massive exodus. Out of Egypt.

Yes. The BSA National Executive Committee (i.e., the officers of the National Executive Board) released a summary of the surveys it conducted during MAR 2013. The summary of findings said a policy change would cost the Scouts a minimum of 100,000 to 350,000 (13.5%) members. “It is believed any gain in membership because of a change to the membership policy related to youth and adults would be in the range of 10,000 to 20,000 (<1%) youth.”

Actually, there is more to the disastrous 1970s story ...

1968 – BSA National launched BOYPOWER ’76 in anticipation of the U.S. Bi-centennial. It was an 8-year strategic plan aiming to boost membership and to raise U.S.$65 million. The BOYPOWER campaign failed due to membership padding scandals and was prematurely terminated in 1974. BSA had 4.6 million members (youth + adults across all program groups) in 1976, down 1.1 million (19.6%) from 1969.

Membership padding scandals for local BSA councils 1st became public in the 1920's. From its early days, most local BSA councils had always struggled to meet their operating budgets. Cash flow was always a problem. In the smaller and more rural councils, it was a common practice to take out short term loans just to make payroll in lean stretches. In the late 1950's, the council scout executive of the Greater Cleveland Council was fired over its membership padding. Membership padding was used to falsify grant applications to philanthropic foundations, United Way chapters, and government agencies in order to inflate the number of youth served.

The 1st major BSA membership scandal spotlighted by the national media occurred in 1974. The Chicago Tribune conducted a 4-month investigation into the Chicago Area Council's membership and published a 2-part series of its findings in JUN 1974. By the end of that year, many paid professionals had been fired from across the country, membership figures in at least 14 councils were revised after audits, federal money was returned, and the much vaunted 1968 initiative, Boypower '76, was terminated 2 years before its official deadline.

Boypower '76 was the brainchild of BSA Chief Scout Executive Alden G. Barber (who had coincidentally been the council scout executive in Chicago before advancing to the CSE job). It was an effort to increase declining BSA membership which occurred during the turbulent 1960's. The objectives of Boypower '76 was to raise U.S.$65 million and increase registered youth members by 2 million, so that BSA would have one-third of all eligible boys as registered scouts. To accomplish these targets by 1976, Barber revamped BSA's paid professional staff, so that it included more people with business and marketing backgrounds, rather than Scouting or youth-related experiences. Monthly, quarterly and annual goals were implemented and paid professionals were required to meet their goals in order to keep their job. With such pressure coming from BSA National and given the non-Scouting background of many paid professionals, the temptation to lie to keep a job was difficult to resist. As reported by many former paid professionals in the press, those who refused to lie about their numbers were fired.

In 1964, POTUS # LBJ declared a war on poverty in his State of the Union address. By 1966, Congress approved the Model Cities program. Building upon long-established public housing and urban renewal efforts, Model Cities attempted to integrate physical redevelopment of inner city neighborhoods with a wide range of social services and job opportunities. It went into effect in 1968. The Chicago Area Council took advantage of this social program and obtained over U.S.$341,000 from the federal government for a period of 4 years to provide Scouting to over 40,000 inner-city minority boys.

Paid professionals admitted that they fraudulently registered thousands of nonexistent boys to not only meet their goals, but to obtain the federal funds. By OCT 1974, the Chicago Area Council had entered into an agreement with the federal government to repay those federal funds. During its investigation, the Tribune located a 1968 audit, conducted by Storrs Smith, the council scout executive who replaced Barber, which revealed that instead of the 75,000 registered youth the council claimed, there were actually less than 40,000 registered youth. This audit report was suppressed by both the council and BSA National. National relived Smith as council Scout executive and placed him in National's Finance Service.

Another report never released to the public was conducted by the Institute of Public Affairs in 1971 on Scouting in the NY area. This report concluded that the pressure paid professionals felt from BSA National to meet their goals resulted in a "numbers game and a possible cause of paper (also derisively referred to by volunteers as “phantom or ghost”) troops." So when the Tribune printed its story, BSA National had known for some time of the problems. Even Barber went on record describing his paid professional staff, "Some of our people cheat – quite frankly."

By 1976, Barber had been forced to retire (some sources said that the National President demanded it – the only such case of the 12 CSEs, to date, through 2012) and the public had firm assurances from BSA National that such fraudulent activities, which the Tribune reported, would never happen again. BSA National would put into practice procedures to not only make it more difficult to register phantom youth, but checks on registration rolls to alert BSA of any future misdeeds. All such checks and balances were to be done by BSA paid professionals. No independent organizations would oversee, much less conduct, such audits. Unfortunately, it didn't work as was later revealed during the 1990s-2000s.

During the 1980's, BSA developed the Sustaining Membership Enrollment (SME) program to raise funds. It was a direct, annual solicitation of volunteer members for donations. As with Boypower '76, BSA's paid professionals were assigned goals. Stewart Mayers of Athens, GA, who worked as a paid scouting professional in AR and OK during the 1980's said, "The annual fund-raising drive … was openly referred to by Scouting professionals as Save My Employment." SME was later renamed “Friends of Scouting (FoS).

58 posted on 07/10/2013 8:17:22 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Funny, I read this as “press conference . . . with interior decorator.”

You know, for the new Boy Scout’s badges:

Interior Decorating
Fabulous Outfit Co-ordination
Grooming -— of young boys
Glory hole carving

59 posted on 07/10/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: fwdude

I will certainly encourage the Scouting groups in my church and community to switch allegiance!

60 posted on 07/10/2013 9:16:48 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: MacNaughton
Great news !!

Now we'll have two groups of "scouts"....Real Christian Scouts and gay/mormon/Harry Reid/Marxist scouts !

61 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:39 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I hope this new organization has hired the requisite army of lawyers to ensure they are bullet proof.

My first thought, too. What are they going to do differently from the BSA that's going to ensure that Christian principles are adhered to without the government or "rights" groups from intervening? Don't get me wrong, this is a wonderful idea. The BSA is an old institution that's had a good run and did some good work, but it's time to retire it in this brave new world. Just as this group is doing, take the pure principles and leave the broken machinery behind. Just an idea....perhaps it would be best if this new group met in private houses at first to easily deflect any I-have-a-right-to-joiners...???

62 posted on 07/10/2013 4:49:39 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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