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GOP still struggling on gay marriage messaging (how to flipflop without losing the base)
The Washington Times ^ | 7/9/2013 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 07/10/2013 2:55:36 AM PDT by markomalley

Virginia Attorney General Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II used to be on record supporting a federal constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage, but now that he is running for governor, he refuses to take a stand.

“You want to drag me out of Virginia,” Mr. Cuccinelli recently told editors and reporters of The Washington Times when asked to weigh in on the thorny issue.

Indeed, Republicans across the country are trying to confine the marriage issue to the states, as the tide appears to be going against the Republican Party and its lawmakers try to calculate how to best limit the damage, policywise and politically.

Last month’s Supreme Court rulings, which struck down the Defense of Marriage Act and cleared the way for same-sex marriages in California, left Democrats celebrating, but Republicans struggled to figure out how to respond.

While some conservatives panned the ruling, most Republican leaders tried to keep their heads down — and all sides are still trying to grapple with whether to aggressively push a federal marriage amendment.

“The GOP is in no position at the moment to be turning away voters,” said former Virginia Republican Party Chairman Jeff Frederick, who himself is a supporter of the constitutional amendment but who said the electoral calculations are more complex. “Elections are a game of addition, not subtraction, and we can’t afford to subtract anyone else. And like it or not, there are a lot of gay Republicans out there” whose support the party needs.

Polls show more Americans support same-sex marriage and approve of the recent Supreme Court rulings. But advocates of traditional marriage say Republicans should keep fighting for an amendment or risk cutting “off their nose to spite their face.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; randsconcerntrolls; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; romneyvsclerks; va2013; virginia
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To: markomalley

The answer is simple. Take all references of/to marriage out of the tax code.


21 posted on 07/10/2013 4:41:43 AM PDT by PLM
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To: LibLieSlayer

And based on an article on FR a few months ago, there is a statistically significant cluster of gays ~near~ New York who are succumbing to some strain of meningitis. There are so many illness, biological/mental/social, that result from homosexuality that an impartial observer could only conclude that the behavior is dangerous.

It is dangerous to individuals.

It is dangerous to cultures.

It is dangerous to communities, churches, schools, neighborhoods, kids, adults, and even facilities.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; markomalley; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; narses; little jeremiah; Girlene; jazusamo
Amen, xzins.

I marvel in disgust, at the so-called studies that claim children raised in loving, same-sex families are well-adjusted, happy and care-free.

RLY? How is that, given that those studies are small in scope, short in time and almost always conducted by homosexual psychologists?

Our misguided, "anything goes," younger generations may be all for homosexual marriage, but we know better and they will come to realize the errors of their youth, later on, and then what?

God help us.
23 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:45 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: markomalley

Politics above principle. Typical.


24 posted on 07/10/2013 4:46:48 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: PLM

Sorry, but that doesn’t maintain or increase the power of government in everyone’s lives. And think of the children. They would all starve and become miscreants with tattoos, blue hair and nose rings if the institution of marriage wasn’t menage a trois with Big Brother.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 4:52:20 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: onyx
Thank you, onyx. You speak truth.

First, these studies get to define “well-adjusted”, so the only results will be an obfuscation based on language.

Next, it is a maxim of research that an effect is either easily detectable by research or detectable only by extensive, large, extended inquiries into the topic.

For example, when researching a political race, it is relatively easy to determine results because one has 2 basic candidates and a limited number of options: support, non-support, undecided. Even then, though, for a national race over a thousand respondents are necessary to get a reasonable prediction.

Something like “well-adjusted kids raised by homosexual parents” is not easily defined in the first place. Then one has the issue of sample size. There aren't that many included in this type of research. Finally, there's simply the fact that fitting a teen to a “well-adjusted” profile doesn't mean anything at all about when that teen is 40 years old.

This is all propaganda from the advocates of homosexuality, to include the media, and to include Fox.

26 posted on 07/10/2013 4:57:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: markomalley

(how to flipflop without losing the base)


That’s funny. I was part of their base. They already screwed the pooch with me back around 2007.

Of course, I dumped TV in 97 and see much more clearly how we have changed. This frog jumped out while he could before they turned up the heat too much, and realized, once out, just how hot it had already gotten.


27 posted on 07/10/2013 5:03:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ve been steeped in the Old Testament on my 2.5 hour round trip commute lately. There are all sorts of stories of Israel blowing it by depending on their own power and failing to invoke the power of God.

The GOP is quite guilty of that now.


28 posted on 07/10/2013 5:04:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: xzins

Amen.

LLS


29 posted on 07/10/2013 5:11:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Gaffer

I haven’t called myself a republican in a long time. I am a Christian conservative. Embrace perversion - won’t get my vote.


30 posted on 07/10/2013 5:16:57 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: theBuckwheat

Nice synopsis.

Now, apparently, the Colorado baker is facing up to a year in jail: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/07/baker-refuses-to-make-gay-cake-jail-for-the-baker/


31 posted on 07/10/2013 5:31:52 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Viennacon

” Politics above principle.”

Yup.

Or as I like to say, principally political.


32 posted on 07/10/2013 5:35:15 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: PLM

“The answer is simple. Take all references of/to marriage out of the tax code.”

Sadly, some jurisdictions also have “human rights” regulations that are outside of taxes and more in the realm of “discrimination”.


33 posted on 07/10/2013 5:53:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve been steeped in the Old Testament on my 2.5 hour round trip commute lately.

I have been doing the same. This jumped off the page at me. Change the word widow to single mother an it sounds like a congresscritter is being warned.

Isaiah 10 New International Version (NIV) 10 Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, 2 to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.

3 What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches? 4 Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives or fall among the slain. Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away, his hand is still upraised.

34 posted on 07/10/2013 6:06:34 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Look at the state of Illinois, where BLACK men who lead churches are at the forefront of opposing perversion.

Unless they VOTE the way they TALK, it's all so much noise.

35 posted on 07/10/2013 6:10:18 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: xzins

I agree with your analysis, xzins.

The gay “rights” movement and the left have done a remarkable job selling the gay agenda. Hollywood had a key role in making homosexuals part of what is considered “normal”. They have made religious, conservative, formally normal families and individuals, the laughing stock of their sitcoms/shows.

Their influence on what folks consider “normal”, especially younger people has been huge. Add to this, educating our youth on the wonders and goodness of accepting gay lifestyles in our schools, and a lot of natural opposition to such a lifestyle is removed.

Maybe the Republicans should focus on how the “tolerant” gay agenda is not quite so tolerant. They are in fact forcing their agenda on the rest of this country.....whether it’s law suits as noted in this thread, or school programs which are ridiculous in their seemingly promotion of the gay lifestyle, etc.

Their is a lot of reeducation that needs to be done at this point. Gays with the help of the left have done a great job of painting their lifestyle as normal when in fact it is anything but that.

The natural inclination to disapprove of such behavior is being removed from our society. We, especially the younger generation, are being reprogrammed to think there is no difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual lifestyle. It is not true.


36 posted on 07/10/2013 6:46:13 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: cuban leaf

Jeremiah 7.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 6:52:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: theBuckwheat

The problem of course is that you probably have a better chance of passing a national marriage amendment as ridding the institution of the state’s involvement at this point. And there is very, very little chance a constitutional amendment would ever pass on this issue now in my opinion.

The statists and homosexualists need the state involved because they need a way to punish those who won’t agree with them about marriage, that way is the state. So they would never agree with that. In addition, there are many conservatives and republicans who do not agree with the premise. So you would have basically all of one side and maybe most of the other who wouldn’t go for it.

What’s probably going to happen is that the faiths that won’t change on ‘gay marriage’ will stop being involved in civil marriage at all, either as a choice or as a punishment from the state for not buying into whatever impossibility it is calling marriage at the time.

Freegards


38 posted on 07/10/2013 7:14:41 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: markomalley

GOP struggling = death throes.


39 posted on 07/10/2013 7:18:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think, beginning at verse 16, it may be applied to the non-believers just before the rapture, which is after the tribulation but before the wrath of God begins. Just before the rapture as described in Rev. 7.


40 posted on 07/10/2013 7:18:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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