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BREAKING: JUDGE RULES JURY CAN CONSIDER LESSER CHARGE OF MANSLAUGHTER AGAINST ZIMMERMAN...
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Posted on 07/11/2013 7:12:21 AM PDT by Perdogg

DRUDGE Headline: BREAKING: JUDGE ALLOWS LESSER CHARGE OF MANSLAUGHTER...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; kangaroocourt; martin; railroaded; ruling; trayvonmartin; tyranny; zimmerman
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To: MeshugeMikey

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/judge-rules-jury-can-consider-manslaughter-charge-in-zimmerman-trial/

Prosecutors said they would ask that the lesser charges be included as they hammer out of jury instructions on Thursday. Prosecutors are also seeking a child abuse charge against Zimmerman since Martin was 17 at the time of his death.
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“Oh my God. Just when I thought this case couldn’t get any more bizarre,” West said.


81 posted on 07/11/2013 7:39:01 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: ScottinVA

“Looks like Zimmerman is going to prison where he’ll be forced into general population. He’ll last all of 30 minutes. Any juror who votes to convict, after knowing all the facts laid out, should have a special place in hell awaiting them.”

I totally agree!


82 posted on 07/11/2013 7:40:21 AM PDT by rhubarbk
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I read 5 years, but I’m no lawyer, so someone please correct me if I’m way off.


83 posted on 07/11/2013 7:41:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Perdogg

These prosecutors are a joke. But they are scary, too, because these guys are conducting themselves in a way that the left sees “justice”: As a political tool.


84 posted on 07/11/2013 7:42:27 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Ken H
“In Florida (as in most states) manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder ...”

Unfortunately, this gives the state an incentive to overcharge initially, knowing that it can always fall back on the lesser included charge if the trial evidence doesn’t go its way.

85 posted on 07/11/2013 7:43:01 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Perdogg

Not good; you want all or nothing on this one. Don’t give a jury of women the opportunity to come up with a compromise verdict.


86 posted on 07/11/2013 7:43:48 AM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: xzins

From this source:

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/involuntary-manslaughter-penalties-and-sentencing.html

EXCERPT:

The base sentence for involuntary manslaughter under federal sentencing guidelines is a 10 to 16 month prison sentence, which increases if it was committed through an act of reckless conduct. The minimum sentence for involuntary manslaughter committed with an automobile is higher still, although judges may use a certain amount discretion.


87 posted on 07/11/2013 7:44:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ScottinVA
Any juror who votes to convict, after knowing all the facts laid out, should have a special place in hell awaiting them.

There is plenty of room in hell for anyone involved in persecuting Mr. Zimmerman. Eternity is a LONG time...you've earned your place.

88 posted on 07/11/2013 7:44:47 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: CodeToad
The judge has been biased all the way. This is get an appeal without question.

What is it with the FL judicial system? Are all the judges a bunch of raging leftist buffoons (ala 2000 FL Supremes)?

89 posted on 07/11/2013 7:45:25 AM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: xzins

Manslaughter charge in Florida carries 25 year sentence...with more added due to a minor being involved...AND the judge ruled that the jury will NOT be told that the manslaughter charge virtually carries the same sentence as murder 2...


90 posted on 07/11/2013 7:45:33 AM PDT by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: clintonh8r

“But they are scary, too, because these guys are conducting themselves in a way that the left sees “justice”: As a political tool.”

Yep. The law is just a means to an end or an impediment, depending.


91 posted on 07/11/2013 7:47:34 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: July4

I don’t think they have anything but some kind of “he was following” even though he should have been a trained “neighborhood watcher”. They think that might get them negligent manslaughter.

I think not. He didn’t come close to any kind of illegal following, which would be a kind of harassment that’s repeated, threatening, etc.

None of that, however, robs him of his right to defend himself from someone beating him in such a manner that he could die from it.

Self-defense applies to manslaughter as well.

If one listens to the recording of the dispatcher call, the alleged “criminal” following didn’t last but a minute. That hardly justifies someone deciding to beat your brains in.


92 posted on 07/11/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: cdga5for4
Whatever sentence he receives it will be a death sentence; as he will be put in with the general prison population where "a brotha" will shove a shiv in his heart.

Whites must learn that one does not defend oneself against a black assault.

93 posted on 07/11/2013 7:48:25 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: InterceptPoint

No, the jury will NOT learn the possible sentences. Their job is to determine on the facts whether or not the charge is supported - guilty or not guilty. That is their job and I agree with the premise. Otherwise the jury will be more likely to reach a compromise verdict.


94 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Perdogg

The judge has already give plenty of reason for a mistrial as she is patently in the prosecution’s camp.


95 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:13 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Whites must learn that one does not defend oneself against a black assault.

Post of the day.

96 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:20 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: henkster
Don’t give a jury of women the opportunity to come up with a compromise verdict. Bingo. It's the "Can't we all just get along?" thing. People who avoid conflict go for compromise, even when one party is right and the other is wrong.
97 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:59 AM PDT by July4
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To: CodeToad
The judge has been biased all the way. This is get an appeal without question. I suspect a new trial will be the result.

If Zimmerman is convicted of something (I don't think he will be, but you never know), there are plenty of grounds for appeal, but this is not one of them. Under Florida law, Manslaughter is a "Category 1" lesser included offense under second-degree Murder. As a couple of Florida lawyers have explained to me, that means that if either party requests that the judge instruct the jury on a lesser-included Manslaughter charge, the judge MUST do so - it's not discretionary.

98 posted on 07/11/2013 7:50:18 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Perdogg

DOJ has become a lynch mob. the Truth and rule of law are no longer in effect


99 posted on 07/11/2013 7:50:54 AM PDT by PACAP1
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m fine with that. See post #90 below. It is voluntary manslaughter, I’m guessing, and yours states that it is involuntary manslaughter. Voluntary requires malice aforethought, and that simply isn’t in play here and certainly hasn’t been proved.


100 posted on 07/11/2013 7:51:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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