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1 posted on 07/12/2013 3:25:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Actually, I admire George Zimmerman.

I think it takes courage to do the right thing, regardless of risk.

George was not physically much of a match for Trayvon, but he did not challenge Trayvon to a fight at all.

We are not obligated to fight the bullies in this world. We can refuse to fight, and kill them if they insist on a fight.

Me? I probably would have had a shot at kicking Trayvon’s ass without a gun, but that does not obligate me to do so at all. I am 54, and like Clint says, “A man has to know his limitations!” I am 54 and I need to absorb all of this and realize that the day is coming when I might need an equalizer.

2 posted on 07/12/2013 3:30:18 PM PDT by Kansas58
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more misandry


3 posted on 07/12/2013 3:35:13 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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Well, I think the conjecture that Mr. Zimmerman ought to have simply physically overpowered the lad who attacked by surprise sounds very nice in principle, but one does with what resources one has at the time. If there is a crying absence of manliness in this picture, I believe the chiefest offenders do not include George. How about all the cowards that let this railroading go on, no matter what the jury ends up saying? How about the cowards who did not dare to teach St. Tray about the moral hazards of purple drank?


4 posted on 07/12/2013 3:35:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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Some blacks and liberals argue that Zimmerman should have never left his car.

Even the liberal and/or black defense of Martin actually betrays the fact that blacks are a danger to society.

Blaming Zimmerman because he got out of the car is like blaming a human for getting out of a car in the middle of wilderness with rhinos, lions, hyenas, and aggressive baboons. He should have known better since wild animals are dangerous!!

So, the logic of ‘Zimmerman should have stayed in the car’ argument implies that black males are INDEED dangerous beasts and one should remain IN THE CAR when one sees one walking the streets.

It’s funny. Blacks used to complain that white folks lock their cars when blacks walk by. Now, they are complaining that someone walked out of the car when a Negro kid was prowling nearby. I mean doesn’t Zimmerman know that one should never leave the car when a Negro is around?


5 posted on 07/12/2013 3:37:58 PM PDT by Caliban (Politics is war conducted by other means...)
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I think Rush is off here. There are still real men in America.

There just aren’t as many.

If the fight came down the way Zim has said, the gun was not a factor until TM tried to take it. At that point Zim’s only choice may have been to shoot or risk dying.


7 posted on 07/12/2013 3:39:57 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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I'm not sure what effect the absence of a "father" might have on girls growing up.It could be profound...it could be negligible.It could be that such girls suffer more from the absence of a mother.But one thing's for certain...boys who grow up without a decent and respectable "father" (who needn't be the biological father) far more often than not turn out bad.Black boys,white boys,brown boys,yellow boys...it doesn't matter.

I was lucky enough to have two good,decent,admirable parents who were good to me and taught me well.I suspect that that's the biggest single reason for my having turned out to be,perhaps,fairly decent.

Of all the great,great classics of the 60's this is one of my very favorites.It reminds me of my Dad.I wonder how Martin might have turned out if he had experienced what is contained in this song.

Color Him Father (1969)

9 posted on 07/12/2013 3:42:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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On a related note, the vacuum left by the demise of the male in Western society has been readily, willingly, and hastily replaced by the government.
The strong male is a threat to the ones that lord over the collective and in doing so reward the passive acceptance of the willing, mostly women.
The effort to destroy the western male probably has been cultivated since the beginning of civilization, however, thanks to technology, the process has been accelerated since the 1960’s.
Who is behind this effort? The usual suspects, of course, however, don't forget to look in the mirror. The majority of men and women, probably don't realize what is happening to them or what to do or whom to do it to.
11 posted on 07/12/2013 3:51:37 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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Two of the witnesses in this case, both young males, could have intervened and prevented the need for Zimmerman to shoot Martin.

Zimmerman, screaming, begged eyewitness John Good to come help him. Good, watching from only 17 feet away, replied to Zimmerman that he was calling the police instead. Zimmerman screamed that the police were already on the way—that he needed Good’s help. Good could have knocked Martin off Zimmerman and stopped the deadly confrontation just by putting himself a bit at risk, but no, he didn’t want to get that involved, just like Kitty Genovese’s neighbors (some readers have no idea who Kitty Genovese was, I realize) didn’t want to get involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

There was another young male witness in the Zimmerman case, who testified that told his wife, “stay away from the window, don’t look out, we don’t want to make this our problem.”

You get my point.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 3:59:57 PM PDT by IChing
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Dang it all....today I wrote post # 2550 on the Day # 24 Zimmerman Trial thread....and it was almost the same thoughts about George's buddha-like, robotic-like demeanor 24/7 in his courtroom seat.

Mr. Flynn, the author of the above, virtually parroted me and I virtually parroted him especially in his "Pillsbury Doughboy" paragraph.

Dang it all because he probably got paid a pretty penny for his efforts while all I got for mine was some snark and a tee shirt that says "U Belong on DU, Commie !"

LOL

Leni

17 posted on 07/12/2013 4:06:34 PM PDT by MinuteGal (')
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I’m almost 71, am I still expected to duke it out with any young buck who wants to attack me?


18 posted on 07/12/2013 4:07:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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A feminine culture will eventually be challenged by a surging masculine culture and will lose. Europe and America are the essential Women’s nations in the world and are faced with the rapidly growing entirely Masculine China that has desires for conquest, in fact, must embark on expansion and conquest to keep its extreme sex overbalance of young men from blowing apart China itself. All those extra men have to have an outlet. That outlet is war when there are insufficient women. It is the same with the Moslem world. Menp predominate because they repress their women to cattle status and kill a lot of them and deny men any access to women before they are married. Moslems are mitigating the problem a bit with enthusiastic fratricide but they will soon predominate in Europe and eventually in America if we keep importing them as fast as we can.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 4:09:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EcThomics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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” Mr. Flynn says: “The proper response to an assault by a 158-pound teenager isn’t to scream for help or grab for a gun. It is to punch back or better yet subdue and issue a spanking.”

Jabber, jabber, snivel, whine - where was Mr. Flynn when a 6 foot talk street fightin’ “No Limit Nigga” attacked Mr. Zimmerman.

Safe behind his keyboard would be a good guess.


31 posted on 07/12/2013 4:36:08 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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What I am hearing is: Zimmerman provoked Martin and should have just taken what Martin dished out. Shooting Martin was wrong and Zimmerman should be punished.

Sounds like the "she dressed provocatively so she deserved to be raped" argument. But is she wrong for killing her attacker? Why is it ok for women to kill their attacker if they "provoke" but not Zimmerman?

33 posted on 07/12/2013 4:58:04 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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Oh what a tangled web....


34 posted on 07/12/2013 5:36:06 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Who’s Andrea Tarantula?


36 posted on 07/12/2013 5:40:10 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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GZ is wearing at least one bullet proof vest ... and maybe two. Though he has gained some weight there are other reasons he's looking big. GZ has shown emotion but you will never see that on the camera. ... you know who controls the camera and the narrative.

El Rushbo has been married 3 times and stupidly elevated a nothing Fluke by not keeping his mouth shut.

The 5 has two babes on there for eye candy because Beckle is a fat bastard and can't carry a show.

The author has to crack some sexist joke because he's too afraid to ask Ms Tantaros on a date which would be the manly think to do. If Mr Flynn is otherwise attached, he should cease and desist. Mr Flynn is another Klintoon wannabe.

Cary Grant characters in films are men, gentlemen.

40 posted on 07/12/2013 6:03:25 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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Trayvon knew how to size up an opponent for a fist fight. He saw GZ as nothing more than an easy beat-down. I don’t think it occurred to him that George might be armed because he wasn’t used to being around anyone that could pass a background check.


46 posted on 07/12/2013 6:38:35 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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Z made the masculine effort to care for and protect his community, to risk danger to dissuade danger. He tried to deal with the fight as be could, resorting to weapons only when his assailant was about to. Soft & fat perhaps, he still made the effort even if of a background devoid of better guidance. He could have just stayed in the truck, but he didn’t - knowing a cold wet night held possible danger.


51 posted on 07/12/2013 6:59:30 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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Mr. Flynn says: "The proper response to an assault by a 158-pound teenager isn’t to scream for help or grab for a gun. It is to punch back or better yet subdue and issue a spanking."

Mr. Flynn is a fool.

58 posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:28 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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63 posted on 07/12/2013 7:35:13 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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