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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Nice lengthy narrative.

I differ with you on George’s weakness. The sucker punch to the nose, to someone standing on wet grass in the rain could easily knock a very tough ‘cop’ on his back.

I disagree with the DEFENSE CLAIM (though I know why they had to do it) that Trayvon decided to go back and teach George a lesson. Years of experience tell me that a young black male, who had escaped being nabbed by the cops or a neighborhood watch dude, who made it to the back yard of the place he was staying, who was planning to watch a BALL GAME on TV at the house, who may have had drugs he just got, or in the house, or was high as a kite, HE DARN WELL WOULDN’T LEAVE. He’d lost Zimmerman, for all he knew Zimmerman was long gone.

There had to be a reason so important, that Trayvon left the safety of the residence to go back to the original spot where George had first spotted him ‘peering into windows’, a spot where he hid or lost something in the bushes.

He gets there and is searching, but here comes Zimmerman back up the sidewalk behind the houses on the way back to his vehicle. Trayvon is worried he called the cops, or is calling the cops, or will do so as soon as he sees Trayvon or hears him. Either way, Trayvon is screwed. Whatever was so important for him to go back and get, it would likely also get him arrested. He might get tied in with the home invasion there at the complex. The one where only the other thug got caught.

Trayvon knew if he got in trouble again, he would get kicked out of Brandy’s townhouse. Trayvon had to do something to ‘solve’ this problem, and the rest is history.


52 posted on 07/12/2013 7:07:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

For whatever exact details... Treyvon freaked out at George. For motives that were far less than noble.


55 posted on 07/12/2013 7:12:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: UCANSEE2; HiTech RedNeck
I differ with you on George’s weakness. The sucker punch to the nose, to someone standing on wet grass in the rain could easily knock a very tough ‘cop’ on his back.
Depending on the strength of the blow, and considering that it was dark as pitch, I can accept the possibility. We know, as the jury doesn’t, that 12yo angel Trayvon was heavy into fighting. .
There had to be a reason so important, that Trayvon left the safety of the residence to go back to the original spot where George had first spotted him ‘peering into windows’, a spot where he hid or lost something in the bushes.

He gets there and is searching, but here comes Zimmerman back up the sidewalk behind the houses on the way back to his vehicle. Trayvon is worried he called the cops, or is calling the cops, or will do so as soon as he sees Trayvon or hears him. Either way, Trayvon is screwed. Whatever was so important for him to go back and get, it would likely also get him arrested. He might get tied in with the home invasion there at the complex. The one where only the other thug got caught.

Trayvon knew if he got in trouble again, he would get kicked out of Brandy’s townhouse. Trayvon had to do something to ‘solve’ this problem, and the rest is history.

The more I think about that, the more sense it makes. I suppose I really never thought seriously along those lines. Really interesting point.
But you know, my line of thought for the jury would be this:
Of all the people who heard the ruckus, John Good was the only guy who ventured to take a look. The rest just called 911 and/or whimpered. So cut him plenty of slack. But suppose that John Good had been a cop, or just a little bit more aggressive/brave/armed personally (a thought that John Good will IMHO go to his grave pondering). Or, alternately, suppose that the cops - whom GZ had after all semi-urgently called - had arrived before the shot, and taken control of the situation. What would the prosecution have had on George Zimmerman? Bupkis. Aggravated assault & battery on Mr. Martin, nothing at all on GZ.

Therefore
All the testimony about anything that happened before John Good showed up
is nothing but noise and smoke.
So the only question for the jury is,

What happened after John Good left to call 911?

And on that we have only a “he said, she said,” case. George Zimmerman had an excellent motive to say that Trayvon went for the gun. And there seem to be people named “legion” who have a motive to dismiss that as self serving. But we know one thing about it. George Zimmerman suffered a terrible beating and screamed for help for at least 40 seconds. You can turn all of the defense witnesses and have them all say that that was not George Zimmerman’s voice, and you would still know that

Trayvon Martin did not try to get George Zimmerman’s neighbors to come and help beat George Zimmerman up.

And whatever noise and smoke the prosecution musters about “hate” from George Zimmerman, something changed in George Zimmerman’s mind the moment before that shot was recorded on the 911 call. If Trayvon Martin did not put the thought in George Zimmerman’s mind that somebody was going to fire that gun and it had better not be Trayvon Martin, what was it?

And does it matter?


69 posted on 07/13/2013 3:50:39 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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