Posted on 07/13/2013 2:11:12 AM PDT by lbryce
The Texas Senate gave final passage on Friday to one of the strictest anti-abortion measures in the country, legislation championed by Gov. Rick Perry, who rallied the Republican-controlled Legislature late last month after a Democratic filibuster blocked the bill and intensified already passionate resistance by abortion-rights supporters.
The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and hold abortion clinics to the same standards as hospital-style surgical centers, among other requirements. Its supporters say that the strengthened requirements for the structures and doctors will protect women’s health; opponents argue that the restrictions are actually intended to put financial pressure on the clinics that perform abortions and will force most of them to shut their doors.
Mr. Perry applauded lawmakers for passing the bill, saying “Today the Texas Legislature took its final step in our historic effort to protect life.” Legislators and anti-abortion activists, he said “tirelessly defended our smallest and most vulnerable Texans and future Texans.”
Debate over the bill has ignited fierce exchanges between lawmakers, and tense confrontations between opponents of the bill, who have worn orange, and supporters of the bill wearing blue. Signs and slogans have been everywhere, bearing long, impassioned arguments or the simple scrawl on a young man’s orange shirt, a Twitter-esque “@TXLEGE: U R dumb.”
The bill had come nearly this far before: a version had been brought to the Senate in the previous session of the Legislature, in June, and was killed by State Senator Wendy Davis, a Democrat from Fort Worth, with an 11-hour filibuster that stalled the bill until after the deadline for ending the session. The filibuster became an overnight sensation on Twitter and other forms of social media, with more than 180,000 people viewing the filibuster live online
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I've already answered this claim back up the thread:
If you shut down some sub-par Nazi death camps, but “legally” authorize the operation of clean, efficient Nazi death camps, the Nazis will simply build bigger, cleaner, more efficient Nazi death camps.
If you’ve got the governmental power to regulate mass murder, you have the power to stop the bloodshed.
As the sacred oath of office to support the Constitution requires.
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."
"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Please point me to the section of the new law that provides the constitutionally-required equal protection for persons under twenty weeks’ gestation.
Because I’ve read it a number of times and don’t see it.
In fact, it says just the opposite.
Frankly, it won’t protect children after twenty weeks gestation either, in the real world.
This is pure political theater, not serious, just, constitutional, lawmaking.
“If you shut down some sub-par Nazi death camps, but “legally” authorize the operation of clean, efficient Nazi death camps, the Nazis will simply build bigger, cleaner, more efficient Nazi death camps.”
This is untrue. Only some areas can support the larger death clinics. So what you see is a consolidation.
Going from Idaho, North Dakota, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas and Oklahoma
You have a total of 16 clinics in 9 states. 3 in OK, 3 in Montana, 3 in Nebraska, and 2 in Kansas.
5 states, Wyoming, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota and Utah have just one.
Wyoming’s is in Jackson, Idaho in Twin Falls, South Dakota’s and North Dakota’s are just over the state line. As is the one in Kansas city and all three in Nebraska.
“Frankly, it won’t protect children after twenty weeks gestation either, in the real world.”
This is a lie. Has and will. Clinics closing will lower the number of children killed by the death centres.
Has been doing so for quite some time now.
Kinda like what "the anointed one" via the EPA is doing to the Coal Industry, dang it is delicious schadenfreude when we use their methods and tactics on them...
If you can’t save them all, then save what you can.
Plus if abortions clinics, EVEN ONE are (is) shut down b/c of this, it’s worth it.
Incrementalism. It’s worked for the Left for the past 60 years, I think it can continue to work to end abortion too. I’ll take this imperfect bill over nothing, then look to see what other ways we can save lives.
At present, the city furthest away from the death centres is Rapid City, South Dakota at 320 miles from the nearest one in Billings, MT. At 80 an hour, that’s roughly a 4 hour drive.
In Texas, it is Perryton, 240 miles from both Oklahoma City and in Lubbock TX. 260 miles from Wichita KA.
Again if they drop to just Houston, Austin, San Antonio and Dallas, that is a huge swathe of territory. There would be nothing from Santa Teresa to Dallas!
Yes, PP isn’t stupid. They have a surgical clinic in Santa Teresa NM, for the same reason all their clinics in ND and SD are in Fargo and Sioux Falls, right on the border with Minnesota. They don’t want to lose access to West Texas.
This bill violates one of the most important explicit requirements of the Constitution, the equal protection requirement for the individual right to life, and embeds, codifies, permission to kill innocent persons in statute. That doesn’t matter to you?
I wish folks like you could come to the realization that you’re not winning by surrendering the only real moral, constitutional and legal arguments against abortion. You’re losing, every time, right up front.
——— championed by Gov. Rick Perry———
he earns five gold stars......... remember this action
So what? It’s still immoral and unconstitutional.
The God-given, unalienable, equal right to life is supposed to be protected in America by LAW, not travel inconvenience.
I'll remember here in Iowa. A growing number of pro-lifers in my state are coming to the realization that these phony fetal pain bills are wrong, and illegitimate.
That clinic is Santa Teresa is sneaky. It’s just 8 miles North from the NM/Mexico border, 8 miles West from I-10 and 10 miles west from El Paso, and 17 miles north and west from the major Tex/Mex border crossing from Juarez. It also happens to be a convenient 1.5 miles from the Texas border.
Gosh I wonder why that is?! Maybe Eternal Vigilence can figure it out for us.
These bills in fact assure the continuation of abortion on demand.
Iowa is a net exporter of abortion services to KA, NE and SD. Minnesota only has 6 clinics compared to Iowa’s 17.
Maybe you should get to work on your own backyard sport, before lecturing Texas.
The media will use this to terrorize voters, but I believe it can be easily countered. 20 weeks is 5 months and plenty of time to kill your baby.
One of the challenges conservatives and liberals have is overreach. The voters don’t want radical change unless it is easy and brings outsized benefits, quickly. The Dems overreached and forgot the economy.
The GOP needs to focus on jobs and the economy first and social policy second and incrementally. History proves that if you bring prosperity the voters love you and will let you steer conservative. We often get that backwards.
I gave serious thought to voting for you. Your opinion here makes me glad/vindicated that I did not.
Of course you are completely right. And completely wrong.
Yes, I believe that the 5th Amendment and our “social contract” described in the Declaration of Independence concur that the right to life is sacrosanct. The Right to Life isn’t a Constitutional “Right”; it’s a natural right of man granted by God and only and rightly recognized by the Constitution.
In that you are observantly correct. The Right to Life isn’t a “States right”.
You also damn well know about Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court has already perverted our Constitution and undermined the natural right of life for pre-born humans. The limits on the definition of life that you decry in the new Texas Law weren’t placed by Texas lawmakers last night. Any attempt to go further would be blocked by the Courts and this new law might yet suffer the same fate.
In the meantime, Texas has done its very best to offer the absolute most protection of life that it can muster absent a vote to secede.
Texas is pushing the line on the limits imposed (unConstitutionally, as you decree)on it by a feral fedgov. This new law is a lurch in the right direction and provides as much Constitutional protection as Texas is allowed to consider.
In your short-sided purity, you would block our ability to return to Constitutional order even if we gained the votes to do so, and I’m going to explain why in another post.
Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I believe in life and am glad this bill went through. Like the other side, you have to get your nose in the tent first. This is a good first step. Texas will get there.
I have a question and I am not trying to be facetious here. What if the bill said thaitI money saved from closing clinics went for birth control? Thereby, the only excuse a women would have for getting pregnant is going off he pill?
Now a women can choose to have a baby and not to kill one. That would make the lefts head explode.
Why couldn’t Texas of all states pass an outright ban?
They swore to God to support the Constitution of the United States, not the immoral, unconstitutional, irrational, arbitrary, capricious opinion of a bunch of dead judges.
The judicial supremacist lie is one of the deadliest poisons this free republic has ever known.
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