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‘So Much Harm to Patients’: British Doctors Describe NHS as ‘Worse Than Communist China’
http://www.theblaze.com ^ | july 12, 2013 | Erica Ritz

Posted on 07/13/2013 5:36:45 PM PDT by lowbridge

Proponents of President Obama’s “Affordable Care Act” often suggest skeptics look across the Atlantic to the United Kingdom as an example of what can be made better with the American health care system.

But doctors in the United Kingdom have about had it, it seems, calling their own system “worse than Communist China.”

A recent report in the U.K. Telegraph chronicles the conclusions of the British Medical Association’s annual conference, where doctors loudly lamented the undue power of abusive managers and bureaucrats, who seem to have as much or more power in hospitals than the actual doctors.

“The result is the perfect toxic professional working environment for this explosive mixture to generate disasters such as Mid Staffordshire which did so much harm to patients,” said Dr. Peter Holden, a member of the BMA’s GP negotiating committee.

“Not even in Communist China did they have managers overruling doctors in the operation of hospitals and health services,” he added.

The Mid Staffordshire “disaster” is a reference to the revelation that up to 1,200 people died unnecessarily at an NHS-run hospital between 2005 and 2009, some suffering from starvation or dehydration and left in complete squalor (this is the case where people were drinking the water out of flowerpots they were so desperate).

Dr Keighley, who is set to retire after roughly four decades in the profession, said he has seen an alarming turn in that “we now see health boards talking about ‘their’ patients – almost implying that the doctors it employs or contracts with are mere technicians in the pursuit of their corporate aim.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: communisthealthcare; healthcare; moralabsolutes; nhs; obama; obamacare; sourcetitlenoturl; ungland; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 07/13/2013 5:36:45 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
Thanks lowbridge ... information of what is coming for U.S.
2 posted on 07/13/2013 5:42:51 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: lowbridge
Coming soon to a US hospital near you.But,thankfully,Osama Obama & Pals will never have to worry.
3 posted on 07/13/2013 5:43:00 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: lowbridge

Sounds like an Obama dream for all the little people. He will sit on his version of Mount Olympus and stare down on all the vassals.


4 posted on 07/13/2013 5:44:27 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29

Obamacare is all about power for the rats. They want control. They want unionized labor controlling 1/6th of the U.S. economy. They want to bail out Cadillac union healthcare plans on the backs of taxpayers. They want to reduce the wealth and prestige of Doctors - (mostly GOP supporters). They want to kill the free market. They want to redistribute wealth and consider healthcare a right. They want everyone dependent on government.

They don’t want our Constitution. They want Cloward-Pivens.


5 posted on 07/13/2013 5:48:27 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: lowbridge

ObaMugabe thinks Britain’s NHS is the model system!


6 posted on 07/13/2013 5:52:16 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: lowbridge
IF there was any justice; the Federal Civil bureaucracy; Congress and O'Blowfly's Executive Branch;
should test this monstrous system on themselves before inflicting it on the voting populace.

7 posted on 07/13/2013 5:53:56 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: lowbridge

Yeah it was just genius to take the best medical system in the world and turn it over to self serving politicians


8 posted on 07/13/2013 6:01:55 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: volunbeer

You are correct sir.


9 posted on 07/13/2013 6:21:39 PM PDT by Argus
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To: lowbridge

You mean that treacly dance number dedicated to the NHS in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics wasn’t realistic? Imagine that....


10 posted on 07/13/2013 6:25:13 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: no-to-illegals

OK here are a few facts about the NHS which my mother uses and is still over in England.

Years ago her and her husband wanted to get checked for cancer, it took 11 months and during that timer her husband died on the sofa of cancer.

About 5 years later , maybe 4 she needed surgery on her knee,
The Doc told her that she had been refused and he had to do an appeal to London, it took more months and he won the appeal.
It took months to get that answer and finally she was told she needed to be ready on a certain date but call the night before.
I asked why should you call and she told me”because to see if they have a spare bed?

To her this is normal due to her always living there.
She was refused 3 times and finally got her surgery.
She never got her full PT after the surgery either.

Last week I called her and she told me that she had been sick, can’t eat and pains in her stomach.
Weeks later she was told she can get a x ray no cat scan no MRI.
She got the xray last week but told me it takes 7 to 10 days for the results.
She now tells me that the Doc called her but it will take another two weeks before she can see a Doc.

She is 82 and this is how old people are treated while those in prison and illegals and immigrants get their medical help right away.

This is coming to America because dopey stupid people voted for this and still think it’s a free health care.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 6:26:52 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: lowbridge
Death to bureaucrats!
12 posted on 07/13/2013 6:31:05 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama lies, smokes, blasphemes, eats pork, reads your mail, eavesdrops and drinks during Ramadan)
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To: manc

I’m seeing more old beat up clunker cars spewing smog and driven by aging gray-haired hippies with the bumper sticker “I Love Obamacare.”

Makes me sick seeing the dregs of society bragging about getting their substandard “free” stuff.


13 posted on 07/13/2013 6:36:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: lowbridge

Yeah, well... it’s just getting worse.

Norway: I have diabetes, which has grown into a life threat thanks to my state-ordained medic. Now the same medic is refusing to grant disability, but is trying to run some government hatchet man to render a verdict of “dangerous rightwinger”. Three years ago, when I was almost losing a leg to neuropathy, he refused wound treatment at home but was overriden by specialists at the nearest hospital. When I broke a shoulder a year and a half ago, and had a titanium bar put in, he had learned about wound treatment and initiated that. But after the first contact with new nursing staff (Pakis), treatment was terminated.

The war on the west is raging both in the US and Europe, and it’s being waged by “our own”.


14 posted on 07/13/2013 6:38:57 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: lowbridge
and that mutt in the white hut along with it's minions won't rest till we are blessed with the same system...
15 posted on 07/13/2013 6:42:51 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lowbridge
A recent report in the U.K. Telegraph chronicles the conclusions of the British Medical Association’s annual conference, where doctors loudly lamented the undue power of abusive managers and bureaucrats, who seem to have as much or more power in hospitals than the actual doctors.

This is the real problem with government run healthcare. Because it is owned by the public, it becomes a valid political debating point. Any criticism of the system is always painted by the socialists and unions as an attack on the doctors and (especially) the nurses. Yet the main problem is the armies of bureaucrats that always multiply around government organisations and suck up all the vast resources thrown at the NHS The doctors and nurses are great. The main problem they have is that they are overworked, and if we didnt have as many bureaucrats we could afford more of them and that problem would go away.

16 posted on 07/14/2013 5:34:58 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: manc
What you need to do to counter the argument is to tell the simple basic truth that the NHS system is NOT free health care. It is free AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY health care. (at least theoretically. If you're too ill to work and yet you cant get treatment for nine months its hardly free is it?)

It still has to be paid for, by someone, somehow. The American public needs to be made aware of that, because I dont think they fully understand that.

17 posted on 07/14/2013 5:40:55 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: lowbridge; Revolting cat!
NHS ‘Worse Than Communist China’

See? The problem with government is that it isn't Socialist ENOUGH!

England should follow Chiner's lead!

18 posted on 07/14/2013 6:06:32 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: manc

Thanks manc. Is always nice to see facts. Prayers for your Mother that the care she is suffering under will improve and more prayers for your Mother’s health to improve.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 6:08:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

thanks


20 posted on 07/14/2013 6:55:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Vanders9
... if we didnt have as many bureaucrats...

Remember Matron?
They brought her back ,here(Berks), and the waiting times dropped dramatically.
However the Clipboard warriors still patrol the corridors.

21 posted on 07/14/2013 7:58:48 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. This is not the post you are looking for ....move along now....)
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To: lowbridge

The deaths are just the tip of the iceberg.

With any government control of health care, there will be massive suffering from those who have to wait for the procedures/operations. In the UK, those wait times have to be unbearable.

3 summers ago, during the first week of June, my meniscus which has suffered injuries since my teen years really started hurting. Our great FP made the diagnosis in minutes re a torn meniscus needing a scoop and clean.

Due to being on Medicare, Medicare’s protocol meant that he had to refer me to a PT. The PT is excellent. However according to protocol, he started me on PT, later he told me he knew that it wouldn’t work like our FP. So after a couple of weeks of increasing pain, I finally got to see a good Ortho Pod.

He confirmed what I had been told by my FP and PT, yet he had to give me a steroid shot to the knee, and put me on the MRI wait list. After a couple of more weeks of pain, he go me in for an MRI exam on a weekend after another patient cancelled it.

In 48 hours, my Ortho Pod had my MRI scan, which confirmed his diagnosis, my FP’s, my PT’s and my wife’s/ the office RN of our FP.

Two weeks later I had the surgery, and two weeks post surgery, I was out of pain and walking the flat land and hills where I live. I was only on pain meds, the evening post op and half dose the next day. I went on a prescription non steroidal for 7 days after that.

Due to the Medicare protocols, I had severe pain from early June until the end of August, when I finally had surgery.

If this happened under Obozo care, I might never have had the MRI and the surgery.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 8:31:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Having a discussion with liberals is like shearing pigs. Lots of squealing & little fleece!)
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To: lowbridge
Doctors loudly lamented the undue power of abusive managers and bureaucrats, who seem to have as much or more power in hospitals than the actual doctors.

And there, ladies and gentlemen, we have it we have the answer to the question, "Why is 'Huge Nanny State' just another phrase for 'Die People, DIE!!'"? (or is it, "Earth Goddess Gaia sez, 'My planet is already too over-crowded -- buh-bye, Granny!!'"?)

23 posted on 07/14/2013 11:05:38 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: volunbeer

“They don’t want our Constitution. They want Cloward-Pivens.”

So why are we letting them have what they want?


24 posted on 07/14/2013 1:06:31 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: XenaLee

So why are we letting them have what they want?


Because enough Americans are apathetic/ignorant to what is happening just like the proverbial frog in a pot of heating water.

The majority of our nation appears to believe in “free stuff” and that was the foundation that Cloward-Pivens understood as the necessity for building the world in their image. Those who vote for “free stuff” are now a majority when combined with the unlikely allies of the rat party.

Conservatives have allowed the GOP to become a progressive party through the much worshipped idea of “bi-partisanship.” They have never recognized that moving in the wrong direction to meet wrong-minded people halfway IS MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION!

We have moved so far in the name of bi-partisanship that many issues unthinkable only a decade ago are now considered mainstream thinking.


25 posted on 07/14/2013 1:22:37 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: lowbridge
If I ever lost a child to this corrupt healthcare system I'd only have goal left in life:

punish as many Obama supporters as possible...slowly....
26 posted on 07/14/2013 1:51:00 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: lowbridge

It’s OK...
The TV tells me that Obamacare is good for me, and anyone who thinks otherwise is CRAZY, NUTZ, or possibly even an evil Bible-thumping, gun-toting conservative!


27 posted on 07/14/2013 7:00:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: lowbridge
And we are on the same trajectory.
28 posted on 07/15/2013 5:07:04 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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Yes, the government overseers, deciding who should live, who should die, what treatments doctors can and cannot do, etc. IOW, HELLTH Care.

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PS - please read Grampa Dave's comment 22.

29 posted on 07/18/2013 4:09:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Wanderer99
If I ever lost a child to this corrupt healthcare system I'd only have goal left in life:

punish as many Obama supporters as possible...slowly....


Yeah, I see your point. How about this? If healthcare was denied to somebody like a Tony Soprano or Don Corleone, I would not want to be that decision maker denying that. It's 2:30 AM and I hear a noise, it is the neighbor's dog/cat or a lieutenant and 2 or 3 capos just outside my house? It's 10 PM, the phone rings, is it my daughter telling me she'll be late from a friend's house or is it a call from a capo who kidnapped her? When I get in my car, will the brakes work? Patients have families and friends. I know God Himself says, "vengence is mine" but we could see mortals stepping in for the first take at God's pount of flesh.
30 posted on 07/18/2013 4:44:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("We have met the enemy, he is us!" - Pogo Possum - 1971)
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