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Posted on 07/17/2013 9:59:29 PM PDT by Dallas59
It’s LA.. surprised the LGBT Squad did show up.
Still the US military.
They’ll follow orders.
I think the cop chick’s hotness is what got her in the video.
Hottest riot cop ever!
Looking back in history, it is similar to one of the key reasons the Roman Legions prevailed over much larger numbers of various barbarians.
I noticed that the mob really moved when the rubber (I assume) bullets started to fly.
“Doesn’t this come in any other color but black?”
Reservists and AD have restrictions that don't apply to NG on state AD and their structure and missions encourage and discourage different behavioral patterns. Crowd control inside the United States is not a function either the Reserves or AD can legally perform, unless on a military installation.
Within the NG, different states focus on different missions. That strongly influences the attitudes and activities of NG soldiers, as well as the type of people who join and are retained.
Within the NG, I have heard soldiers discuss what orders they will and will not obey. I have pointed out the dangers of doing so and, since that time, I am unaware of such discussions, which means, as far as I am aware, the discussions do not occur and these soldiers will follow (and have followed) all lawful orders.
However, anyone who believes the NG as a whole will blindly “follow orders” is kidding themselves. NG soldiers are expected to refuse to follow unlawful orders. The determination of the legality of orders is fairly complex and may take time from state to state, since, to be used in CONUS, the NG would be on state, not federal AD, and under the direction of the governor of the state, not the POTUS. I trust I have made my point perfectly obscure.
BTW, there are probably 10,000 to 1 more veterans out in the streets, than in little scattered NG units...
Good stuff.
But it was entertaining watching the female model officers complete with makeup, stand there attempting to look like like a forceful authority...
Uhm... I don't think any of those protesters have (or are interested in having) "women"....
Governments derive power from many different sources; they derive their legitimate authority from the consent of the governed.
If the government ever lost the confidence of the citizens to the extent that ‘tens of millions’ were willing to oppose them by force, very likely the National Guard, as individuals and as units, would be in the front ranks of the formations arrayed for battle against it. In such a scenario, it is difficult imagine who would be on the side of the government. Unless the body politic had become so divided, over issues and principles, that a true civil war, between the factions broke out. At that point, we could kiss democracy and the republic goodby; representative government of a free people requires that they respect each others political opinions, not kill each other over them.
In any case, as far as organization goes, the Guard is organized now; the ‘tens of millions’ are not...yet.
Re: mounted anti-riot police.
I have personally witnessed mounted police used in crowd control. They are awesome!
It was back in the summer of ‘70. A group of patriotic organizations put together a pro-US Military demonstration, to counter the anti-US and anti-Military tone of the anti-Vietnam demonstrations which had occurred in the spring, when many of the demonstrators seemed to be rooting for the enemy rather than being for ‘peace.’
About 30,000 people showed up. The march organisers recruited ex-military and police to serve as parade marshals, to direct the traffic of the demonstration and to help keep order. I was one of them. We were unarmed and designated only by armbands. Without difficulty, we shepherded the non-protesting patriots from the Treasury Building to the Lincoln Memorial.
Unfortunately, about 15 to 20 thousand anti-Vietnam-War radicals also showed up, and gathered on the Washington Monument grounds. I don’t know if they had a permit; it would have been criminally stupid to grant them and us permits for the same day in such proximity. According to statements by their self-appointed leaders, they were there to show that ‘the Mall belonged to them, (the anti-War Movement) no pro US crowds allowed.’ As we marched up Constitution Ave. They surged down from the hill on which the Monument stands, but they couldn’t reach the street in time to disturb our parade.
However, while the speech-making part of the program began at the Lincoln Memorial, they began to move en mass West on the Mall, on both sides of the Reflecting Pool and even wading in it. I had positioned myself at the top of the stairs leading up from the Pool to the Memorial, and saw the danger immediately. I grabbed a couple of the other Parade Marshals and told them to round up every one of us they could find and line them up at the stars, between the two crowds. Soon we had a thin line of Marshals separating the antagonistic groups. They Radicals tried to push past us and get in among the pro-US crowd. I remember physically restraining one young man who tried to get around me, yelling “Free speech, man!” “I’ll ‘free speech’ you,” I replied, shoving him back. “If you go up there, there are people who will kill you!” But a few dozen Parade Marshals wasn’t going to stop that mob, and already people on the eastern edge of the Marchers had noticed and were reacting to the Radical attack.
And then the Cavalry arrived! A Park Policeman on horseback rode past me, and began dancing his mount back and forth on the wide steps. The mob fell back; no-one wanted to get stepped on by 1500 lbs of horse. Saved my ass, at least! Other Park Police arrived, and moved the Radical Movement people back. The authorities eventually had to disperse (with arrests and charges by mounted and motorcycle units) them when they foolishly fought back.
Breaking news for ya, the corrupt government is no longer legitimate and hasn't been for many years.
If the government ever lost the confidence of the citizens to the extent that ‘tens of millions’ were willing to oppose them by force,
Look Mr. Vietnam Vet, this isn't about corrupt government losing confidence in the people. We already know they don't trust the American people, after it was revealed they are illegally monitoring, bugging, seizing records and spying on law abiding citizens.
More big news for ya...It's the people who lost confidence in government long ago... Where ya been? You seem so isolated.
You seen extremely confused and uninformed regards to corrupt government. BTW, I never trusted those who wear their military status on their sleeves.
BTW, those who were against the Vietnam war were right. Again, you seem very lost. The entire war was put on by government insiders, the extreme wealthy and well connected. It ended up costing about 58,000 American lives...Those assholes sitting in there plush government offices would have happily laid waste to another 100,000 Americans if everyone had just sat home and ignored it.
I’ve never been in the military. But, I’m a pessimist. Aren’t there tons of career officers that would do anything to advance their career? Last I remember, Obama was purging all officers that wouldn’t be 100% loyal to him. That in turn would likely lead to NCOs and enlisteds not being offered the opportunity to stay, to be replaced by those more loyal to “the cause.”
The orders will come from the top. There won’t be any issue regarding legality of the orders, only morality. How many of those loyal to the cause will disobey those orders because we find them morally reprehensible?
Your reply shows that you did not correctly or carefully read my post. I suspect you have not read any of my posts carefully.
Government corruption is an old, old problem, but does not render government illegitimate by itself. Only when the misuse of government power by individuals seeking their own power and aggrandizement becomes so open and disruptive of citizens’ rights and privileges that the majority feel obligated to resist the intrusion into their lives, by force if necessary, can we truely say that the people have lost their confidence in the government. Only then can we say (as our founders did) that it is the people’s right and duty to alter or abolish it, and establish a new one based on such principles as shall seem more likely to protect their rights. Things haven’t reached that stage yet. People still pay their taxes, they still call 911 when there is trouble, they still go to court when they have a grievance. The original Tea Parties started as a tax-resistance movement; when the TEA Party of today begins to openly advocate non-filing and withholding of taxes, then we will know that the government has lost its legitimacy.
My military experience may not impress you. It was a while ago. But it informs my opinions on things military, such as organization, tactics, discipline, morale, loyalty, and so on. When and where did you serve? What is your experience?
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