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How high did it go? Republicans to step up pressure on IRS at scandal hearing {Live Thread}
Fox News ^ | July 18, 2013

Posted on 07/18/2013 6:40:25 AM PDT by don-o

House Republicans plan to ratchet up scrutiny of the IRS during a hearing Thursday morning where agency workers are expected to discuss the involvement of high-level officials in slowing down applications from Tea Party groups.

For the first time, the House oversight committee has invited two key agency officials to testify. Republican leaders of the committee claimed Wednesday that one of them recently revealed that the IRS chief counsel's office -- led by a political appointee -- played a role, along with embattled IRS official Lois Lerner, in scrutinizing conservative groups.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the committee, told Fox News that agency officials in Cincinnati were taking their orders from Washington, and that the investigation needs to look next at both Lerner and the counsel's office.

"As a part of this ongoing investigation, the committees have learned that the IRS Chief Counsel's office in Washington, D.C. has been closely involved in some of the applications," Issa and other Republicans wrote in a letter to IRS Acting Commissioner Danny Werfel.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; benghazi; bhoirs; fastandfurious; hearing; hearings; impeachnow; irs; irsscandalhearing; issa; liveirshearing; obamascandals; scandal
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1 posted on 07/18/2013 6:40:25 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Why do we waste our time reading this?

We all know that the Republicans will bend over and take their medicine.

They will do nothing except stand up and beat their chests fora couple of seconds, then assume the position.

It’s happened before.

It will happen again.

Until we ditch the republican party and elect men and women with some morals and cojones.


2 posted on 07/18/2013 6:42:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote
Here's your flag

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3 posted on 07/18/2013 6:44:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: maggief; penelopesire; hoosiermama

This should be good.


4 posted on 07/18/2013 6:44:38 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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5 posted on 07/18/2013 6:45:55 AM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: SE Mom

Source article has pretty good preview.


6 posted on 07/18/2013 6:48:43 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Da Coyote; don-o
RE :”Why do we waste our time reading this?
We all know that the Republicans will bend over and take their medicine.
They will do nothing except stand up and beat their chests fora couple of seconds, then assume the position”

Much noise but Issa produces little.
Months of this and he still he yet to connect this to any specific person in WH or a Obama appointee. And Lerner is still getting paid.

This is just smoke screen to cover them getting Obama an amnesty bill/.

7 posted on 07/18/2013 6:53:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: don-o

Republicans will surrender as they always do. Let’s move on, its a distraction to the peoples business, for the sake of comity yada yada


8 posted on 07/18/2013 6:56:00 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: don-o
BOOM!… Rep. Darrell Issa Has Information That Will Link IRS Scandal ‘Into the White House’ (Video)

Surprise: Obama-Appointed IRS Chief Counsel "Helped Develop" Targeting Methods

IRS chief counsel’s office involved in targeting controversy

It would appear that several witnesses, especially Carter Hull, have given Congressman Issa quite a bit of evidence. It is time for consequences.

9 posted on 07/18/2013 6:58:23 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SE Mom

You are setting yourself up for disappointment. This will be a lot of bluster that comes to nothing again.

The pubbies are paper tigers. Just another show trial.

When you have pubbies saying this kind of thing in joint meetings on “Fiscal Reform” with the white hut you know they are useless twits. Emphasis on “additional revenue” when we still have not felt the effects of the last massive tax increase. It is a full 10% increase in tax rates for many of us, plus obastard care, plus new taxes on the sale of houses/capital assets, plus increased capital gains taxes on investments. Investments that are making paltry rates of return thanks to obastard and his ruinous policies.

“Big is reforming entitlements and it’s impossible to see a path where you get additional revenue without tax reform being part of it.”

Don’t kid yourself.... the IRS and NSA hearings are a joke. The perpetrators will never investigate themselves, congress knows that and congress have no police powers. DOJ will say they are investigating and have proven they will never do anything. You can scream and call all you want but the administration is rogue and will never investigate themselves. FORGET IT. The rule of law is dead.


10 posted on 07/18/2013 6:58:51 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Da Coyote
Until we ditch the republican party and

It's utterly clear that "we" will do nothing at all.
Individually, a few people are doing what they can, and individually that isn't much. Voting is the least of all.

You pay income tax?

11 posted on 07/18/2013 6:59:08 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: sickoflibs
And Lerner is still getting paid.

Not with my little money she isn't.

12 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:31 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Servant of the Cross

You’re dreaming. Congress can’t and won’t deliver consequences.

What did Issa manage to do on fast and furious other than expose well intentioned whistle blowers and leave them dangling in the wind?

NOTING.


13 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:35 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Da Coyote

You have no plan to “fix” anything. All you do is complain.

Any political party will contain human beings and we are all imperfect.

No political party can perfect the human race.

When people try to do the right thing, why must “conservatives” like you eat our own?


14 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:36 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: don-o

Yep. Interesting that basically Carter Hull has turned ..wonder if he’s gotten a deal ..’


15 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:36 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
Darrell Issa ‏@DarrellIssa 4m Heading on @FoxNews in just a few mins to brief you on today's @GOPoversight #IRS hearing. Grab a cup of joe and tune in.
16 posted on 07/18/2013 7:01:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Color me skeptical..the die’s been cast and everyone except for a few patriots have been paid off.


17 posted on 07/18/2013 7:02:10 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: don-o

Let Issa know what you think.

http://issa.house.gov/contact/contact-me


18 posted on 07/18/2013 7:02:56 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SE Mom

Will be here and there today.
Appreciate any play by play


19 posted on 07/18/2013 7:04:47 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Sequoyah101
"Don't Give Up; Don't Ever Give Up"
20 posted on 07/18/2013 7:04:51 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: chris37; Lancey Howard

Issa IRS live thread ping


21 posted on 07/18/2013 7:05:50 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: don-o

They’ll have their hearing and then zippo, off for vacation. I once had some hope that Issa would accomplish something but no more. He puffs up his chest and then nada. All show.


22 posted on 07/18/2013 7:07:44 AM PDT by surrey
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’m not giving up. I am waiting for things to get bad enough that people will actually be ready to do something. Until then these kinds of little protests are just side shows. The sheeple don’t pay attention to them. All that registers with the sheeple is personal events like loss of liberty and confiscation of assets... they have not felt it enough yet. It will have to get terrible before they respond.


23 posted on 07/18/2013 7:09:52 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: sickoflibs

Months? Years.

F&F, Castaway, IRS, Bengahzi, NSA...

They’ve called many politicians over the years “teflon” for their ability to have NOTHING stick to them. This administration is no exception. Dirty as the most heartless mobster, but now you have to prove it and have the power to end them.

If you want something to stick to teflon... STAPLE IT. Issa needs an armed contingent on-hand to take criminals into custody prior to a trial. Even if the criminal in question is Holder or Obama himself...


24 posted on 07/18/2013 7:10:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: thouworm

Heads up.


25 posted on 07/18/2013 7:12:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: SE Mom

“wonder if he (Carter Hull) has gotten a deal”

There’s nobody to deal with if you mean criminal prosecution. The Dems are in charge of the Justice Dept which is who appoints all the prosecutors. Carter Hull looks like a hayseed (apologies to hayseeds who are smart, great folks) but he can’t be such a dumb lawyer that he fears prosecution.

I’m thinking, since he was named by someone at the IRS lower echelon than he is, that to keep himself from taking blame in front of Issa he is saying he was told what to do by the next guy up his food chain.


26 posted on 07/18/2013 7:14:03 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: sickoflibs

What do you want the Republican committee to do that they are not doing? Seems to me this hearing is going to do exactly what needs to be done. Connect the dots to SEE IF there were crimes committed by anyone “higher up”!


27 posted on 07/18/2013 7:15:28 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: sickoflibs

Issa has witness today to link this to Obama appointed lawyer.


28 posted on 07/18/2013 7:16:51 AM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: txrangerette
Bear and salmon cam

Not sure what my day holds. We had heavy rain and my Mama's basement flooded.

While we wait, or for something to look at during testimony, links is way cool. At lower right of player is a button for additional cams

29 posted on 07/18/2013 7:17:54 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Da Coyote

Sounds to me like you are bashing the Republicans who are trying to do the right thing. They are working to get the truth out and determine if there are “higher ups” who committed any crimes.


30 posted on 07/18/2013 7:18:02 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: don-o

Bill O’R sometimes makes me puke -

Here, is he deflecting, again, for the WH - or is he upset because Carl has the story first?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/boom-rep-darrell-issa-has-information-that-will-link-irs-scandal-up-into-the-white-house-video/


31 posted on 07/18/2013 7:18:07 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Dead Corpse

Unconstitutional, friend.

Congress cannot arrest people.

Where is the “armed contingent” for Issa to pull out of a hat and use, according to you, to arrest Obama and Holder?

BTW, Obama and Holder aren’t even coming there.

This is the IRS scandal hearing and these are IRS people coming before Issa’s Government Reform and Oversight Committee.

Like Rush Limbaugh, I live in “Realville, USA”, although unlike Rush, I’m not the mayor of it.


32 posted on 07/18/2013 7:19:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: seekthetruth

What do you want the Republican committee to do that they are not doing? Seems to me this hearing is going to do exactly what needs to be done. Connect the dots to SEE IF there were crimes committed by anyone “higher up”!


The GOP needs to be engaging the WH directly and Boehner refuses to do it. Every bit of Obama Admin malfeasance should be documented and land on the kenyan’s desk. With a list of demands from Boehner to comply attached. No compliance = no funding. Simple. Yet Boehner refuses to do it.


33 posted on 07/18/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: txrangerette

Get a state atty gen to level state charges...in texas.


34 posted on 07/18/2013 7:20:48 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Tipline for Zimmerman's Inquisition is: Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov ... Use it.)
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To: don-o

I feel for you. We had extremely heavy rain here in bone dry West Texas. No basement floods that I know of anyways. Good luck...


35 posted on 07/18/2013 7:21:45 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Great post. Thanks for the links.


36 posted on 07/18/2013 7:24:01 AM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Who, me? Get Greg Abbott to level state charges against Obama and Holder?? Oh yes, I’ll get right on that. Should be done by this afternoon, you think?


37 posted on 07/18/2013 7:24:14 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: seekthetruth
What do you want the Republican committee to do that they are not doing? Seems to me this hearing is going to do exactly what needs to be done. Connect the dots to SEE IF there were crimes committed by anyone “higher up”!

I agree the hearings are necessary, but I wish the Republicans would bare some fangs. Drag Lois Lerner back to testify or imprison her. A serious attempt at that would send waves of fear through the IRS, and perhaps induce others to come forward with 'smoking guns'. And maybe deter others from doing similar in the future.
38 posted on 07/18/2013 7:24:32 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Toespi; Hotlanta Mike; Trod Upon; NonValueAdded

Issa IRS hearing ping


39 posted on 07/18/2013 7:24:54 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: txrangerette

Understood that no deal in the legal sense can be offered. I guess I was thinking more in terms of public perception.

By now I’ve pretty much given up the hope that ANY of these corrupt officials are ever going to prison.


40 posted on 07/18/2013 7:25:04 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: txrangerette

He’s retiring in a month or so, so has nothing to lose.


41 posted on 07/18/2013 7:29:28 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: txrangerette

Sounds like. Hulls in ready and in the position to tell all. Issa coents regarding him on the FOX interview just now were positive

He’ll at least tie It to the O appointment and be supported by George the IG


42 posted on 07/18/2013 7:29:50 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: don-o; SE Mom
Thanks for the thread! :)

Nice to see you, Mom! (waving)
43 posted on 07/18/2013 7:30:12 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: don-o

I have to tape it. Anyone know which CSPAN channel? 3? I think that is what is was on before.


44 posted on 07/18/2013 7:30:36 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: don-o

http://www.c-span.org/

Press release includes key points of testimony
IRS Chief Counsel’s Office Demanded Information on 2010 Election Activity of Tea Party Applicants

http://oversight.house.gov/release/irs-chief-counsels-office-demanded-information-on-2010-election-activity-of-tea-party-applicants/

Link to letter to Werfel
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2013.07.17-DEI-Jordan-Camp-Boustany-to-Werfel-REDACTED.pdf


45 posted on 07/18/2013 7:31:36 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: SE Mom

I think you are wise to look at this in a non-legal way, at this point.

Who is going after the IRS, legally, at this point? The fox is in charge of the hen house.

I absolutely agree that public perception is probably what Carter Hull is concerned about. He was named. That was very important.

All he can do now is say, hey, I answer to this other guy and he was yanking my chain to do what I did.


46 posted on 07/18/2013 7:36:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txhurl

He’s retiring in a month or so, so has nothing to lose.


Exactly. Hull is retiring and the critters are going on vacation. Boehner let the WH run out of the clock on this one. Nothing will happen on the IRS except more debate club meetings. Then there will be a new crisis in September to focus on. Debt ceiling, etc., etc. Boehner flat has no fight in him.


47 posted on 07/18/2013 7:37:01 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: don-o

In.


48 posted on 07/18/2013 7:39:31 AM PDT by txmissy
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To: don-o

Anyone been indicted yet? Didn’t think so.


49 posted on 07/18/2013 7:41:24 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: lodi90

The House Committee can’t do anything to any of these people except try to get the facts out, then, if they see criminal issues, REFER IT TO THE JUSTICE DEPT PROSECUTOR. Which is like saying refer it to Obama/Holder for action.

I’m in favor of finding the facts and getting them out, needless to say.

Expecting more is to misunderstand the system under which we operate.

Fact finding hearings/investigations plus criminal referrals is all that can be done, from the Congress. It’s all that could ever be done, historically, light years before Boehner ever drew a breath on this earth.

Next, we’ll hear about how everybody who is culpable in all things administration need to be impeached, and Boehner will get blamed for not bringing impeachment charges against everyone from Lois Lerner on up.

I’ve even read posters who claim that House members or Senators themselves can be impeached.


50 posted on 07/18/2013 7:46:06 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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