Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Facebook's Zuckerberg: America Needs to Produce More Engineers
Business Intelligence ^ | Today | Jim Edwards

Posted on 07/25/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by cicero2k

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg got political on his Q2 2013 earnings call yesterday, criticizing America for not producing enough talented engineers for him to recruit.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: careers; engineering; scientists
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-73 next last
Many of us on FreeRepublic are engineers. Growing up we had the space program as inspiration. It's hard to imagine that level of expenditure on a task that was about exploration and political stature today. Now we have a vacuum. Electric cars and windmills are not inspiring to the young. About all they get inspired with that is technical is gaming.
1 posted on 07/25/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

And Z-berg knows about engineering?


2 posted on 07/25/2013 8:54:32 AM PDT by Da Coyote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Why does Facebook need to recruit engineers? Isn’t that just a website?


3 posted on 07/25/2013 8:54:37 AM PDT by ReeseBN38416
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

America needs to hire the Engineers they have


4 posted on 07/25/2013 8:55:01 AM PDT by thorvaldr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Mark is a moron Obie supporter


5 posted on 07/25/2013 8:55:15 AM PDT by GeronL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Doh Zuckerberg.......... Can someone please post the Captain Obvious graphic.... :)


6 posted on 07/25/2013 8:55:33 AM PDT by Gaffrig
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

If these whining rich guys are so concerned about education in this country, why don’t they fund private schools and scholarships for poor kids to escape their dismal government schools? They would rather be admired by libs rather than speak the truth.

Zuckerberg can go suck a toad.


7 posted on 07/25/2013 8:55:49 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

CEOs seem to be ignorant of the fact that our universities are filled with foreign students to the point that it’s difficult for an American student to even get a spot.

The market is also flooded with H1Bs from India and China.

The curriculum for a 4 year engineering degree also includes 2 years worth of garbage non-engineering related classes. That’s a big turn off.

It’s also easier to just get a job in finance which pays more and has better hours.


8 posted on 07/25/2013 9:01:09 AM PDT by AlmaKing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

The truth, when spoken by an idiot......is still the truth.


9 posted on 07/25/2013 9:02:06 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416
Why does Facebook need to recruit engineers? Isn’t that just a website?

Software development is engineering. It requires design, collaboration, testing and support.

Facebook is complicated. Who sees what by itself is not trivial.

Plus Facebook is never down. How many Freerepublic outages have we suffered through by comparison?

10 posted on 07/25/2013 9:02:41 AM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Most engineers I have known are grounded in reality. Far better option than liberal arts.


11 posted on 07/25/2013 9:03:19 AM PDT by JimSEA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416

My question exactly. What’s this loser actually building?

Yet another shill for his immigration activist front group headed by mealey mouthed Haley ‘fat boy’ Barbour.


12 posted on 07/25/2013 9:05:09 AM PDT by Black Agnes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Please tell me you’re not advocating massive government investment in order to inspire young engineers.


13 posted on 07/25/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AlmaKing

“It’s also easier to just get a job in finance which pays more and has better hours.”

Finance is a far easier major as well.


14 posted on 07/25/2013 9:05:45 AM PDT by EEGator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
It's hard to produce enough engineers when the kids coming out of public schools are illiterate and innumerate.

15 posted on 07/25/2013 9:06:07 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AlmaKing
It’s also easier to just get a job in finance which pays more and has better hours.

Maybe, maybe not.

Finance is volatile, and subject to the whims of politics.

Much engineering is more independent of politics.

We will always need roads repaired, electric power and schools built.

16 posted on 07/25/2013 9:06:32 AM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Yep, I am an Aero-Space Engineer, with a BS in both Mechanical and AE , A&P/IA, CFII/MEI/ATP and type ratings.... Never will I use my engineering degree for corporate america in my life time. Being an engineer in Corporate America is a fools errand and complete waste of your talents. I left the aviation world in 2000 along with my engineering career. My pay is up and my time is valued.

Corporate America will never get decent engineers with the current pay structures and general attitude towards engineers or technical types. They are reaping what they have sown.


17 posted on 07/25/2013 9:07:19 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
If I was of college age now I would go for engineering and specialize in robotics.

That discipline looks to be like it is gonna be very handy AND a whole lot of fun!

18 posted on 07/25/2013 9:08:23 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Anyone who wants more American engineers should immediately push to cut off the importation of foreign engineers.

You can have all the American engineers you want — some old, some young — if you pay them enough.

If you don’t want to pay that much, fine: you just want cheap engineers. But please don’t say “We need more American engineers” because the cat’s out of the bag: that isn’t want you want at all — you want more H1-Bs.


19 posted on 07/25/2013 9:08:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
criticizing America for not producing enough talented engineers for him to recruit.

There's lots of talented software engineers out there. They are just not available for the prices Zuckerberg wants to pay, which is the real issue. Zuckerberg wants world-class engineers willing to work for H1B salaries.

20 posted on 07/25/2013 9:08:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 9YearLurker
Please tell me you’re not advocating massive government investment in order to inspire young engineers.

No I'm not.

The E-Schools have the best ROI. I live near one of the best, the Colorado School of Mines. They are number 6 in ROI, nationwide. The school is tearing down perfectly good infrastructure to build better due to alumni gratitude.

21 posted on 07/25/2013 9:10:08 AM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: AlmaKing

It’s also easier to just get a job in finance which pays more and has better hours.

Pays better????

Here is NACE’s list of top-paying majors for new college graduates:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/

Computer Engineering
$70,400

Chemical Engineering
$66,400

Computer Science
$64,400

Aerospace/Aeronautical/Astronautical Engineering
$64,000

Mechanical Engineering
$62,900

Electrical/Electronics and Communications Engineering
$62,300

Civil Engineering
$57,600

Finance
$57,300

Construction Science/Management
$56,600

Information Sciences and Systems
$56,100


22 posted on 07/25/2013 9:11:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
There's lots of talented software engineers out there. They are just not available for the prices Zuckerberg wants to pay, which is the real issue. Zuckerberg wants world-class engineers willing to work for H1B salaries.

There is some truth in this. Our company always goes offshore for development when possible, or hires the H1B.

However, there is usually a cultural and communication gap.

Facebook has tons of money, and paying American rates for engineering talent is likely not an issue.

What good is a roomful of engineers, if you can't talk to them?

Or more importantly, what good are they if they can't talk to your customers?

23 posted on 07/25/2013 9:15:47 AM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: thorvaldr

America needs to hire the Engineers they have

EXACTLY. AND PAY THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH.


24 posted on 07/25/2013 9:18:22 AM PDT by bioqubit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: thorvaldr

There you go, lock the thread.


25 posted on 07/25/2013 9:20:42 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: thackney

Top financial positions pay way more, but they generally have tougher hours.


26 posted on 07/25/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Article10

Corporate America will never get decent engineers with the current pay structures and general attitude towards engineers or technical types. They are reaping what they have sown.
+++++++++++++
Are you sure of that?

Petroleum Engineers just out of school have starting salaries pushing $90K. Just off hand that sounds pretty good.


27 posted on 07/25/2013 9:23:40 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416

seriously?

IT takes a LOT of computer systems design (engineering) to build a system with the capacity of facebook. It’s huge

And software engineers don’t grow on trees either. (I was hatched from a space egg)


28 posted on 07/25/2013 9:27:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (4 election)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Well, he worked so hard and stuck with his education so he should well know what it takes to be an engineer.

Engineers are not programmers. Engineers build stuff. Facebook is not stuff. It is nothing. It does not add any value at all.

America has become expert at producing nothing of value including facebook and sukkerberg.


29 posted on 07/25/2013 9:28:15 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Why become an engineer when to become a manager/executive a person only needs to get an MBA and a PMP? I mean, why kill yourself to understand engineering when you can understand next to nothing but be in charge and make bigger bucks?

That is exactly what is happening. Very few people want to get an engineering degree. They all want a simple MBA and a 12 week wonder PMP. Easy stuff. No sense in spending big bucks and major time and effort to learn engineering when the money is in “management”.


30 posted on 07/25/2013 9:29:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

Yep. Hey Zuckerberg, the Black Male unemployment rate is about 40% That means they’re available. They’re on your
‘side’. You should just go teach them to be engineers. Obammy wants you to.

Good luck with that.


31 posted on 07/25/2013 9:29:34 AM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Education, for the last 40 years, has existed primarily in order to help women and blacks feel good about themselves.


32 posted on 07/25/2013 9:31:02 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sequoyah101

I agree with this and #1. Social media is not engineering and neither is gaming IMO. Some software fits the definition of engineering but there is not sense of adventure or achievement when I was briefly stuck working on webpages and crap like that.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 9:33:51 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

“Talented”? Since when are schools about talent?


34 posted on 07/25/2013 9:34:16 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 9YearLurker
Top financial positions

I thought we were talking about college grads, not folks with a decade or so experience. Engineering Managers running large departments, or specialized experienced engineers are making far more. I know several making over $200k/yr.

35 posted on 07/25/2013 9:35:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: 9YearLurker

33% of the S&P 500 CEOs’ undergraduate degrees are in engineering and only 11% are in business administration.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ceos-majored-in-engineering-2011-3?op=1#ixzz2a4mgziWL


36 posted on 07/25/2013 9:39:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416
Why does Facebook need to recruit engineers? Isn’t that just a website?


37 posted on 07/25/2013 9:39:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

America needs to produce Engineers willing to live in the insanely expensive Bay Area for not more than $75K per year.

There, fixed it.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 9:39:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416
Why does Facebook need to recruit engineers? Isn’t that just a website?


39 posted on 07/25/2013 9:40:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

From the guy who dropped out of Harvard to establish Facebook...


40 posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:19 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReeseBN38416
Why does Facebook need to recruit engineers? Isn’t that just a website?


41 posted on 07/25/2013 9:41:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Black Agnes

We have a small company. We can not find qualified people for it. Like someone said, our schools are filled with students from other countries who take their knowledge back to their country. Students from the US do not want to take higher math and science. Even kids who are smart enough want to take easier courses. The education system here want people to be dumbed down. I did see where a kid had a perfect score on the SAT. Maybe there is hope for our future.


42 posted on 07/25/2013 9:42:34 AM PDT by MamaB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Mr. K
seriously?

I am reading some of these posts, and my Palm object has the property FACE repeatedly assigned.

43 posted on 07/25/2013 9:43:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

We produce too many lawyers instead of engineers. When my son took the bar exam in Minnesota a couple of years ago there were over 600 applicants taking the exam that day. I imagine the numbers taking the bar exam have not shrunk by any extent in the intervening years and I cannot imagine that there are that many lawyer jobs in the state to handle the number of graduates. My son was very fortunate and landed a great job with a Minneapolis law firm. Many of his law school classmates were not so lucky and did not get jobs.


44 posted on 07/25/2013 9:43:36 AM PDT by The Great RJ (construction)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CodeToad
That is exactly what is happening. Very few people want to get an engineering degree. They all want a simple MBA and a 12 week wonder PMP

Ergo, we will remain insanely valuable.

45 posted on 07/25/2013 9:44:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: thackney

I’d say one to five years beyond a Master’s degree would be a fair measure. Successful grads who have gone to Wall Street into finance, whether with an MBA or a couple of degrees in math or physics, should be on the ramp toward $1M-per by then.

We’re not talking the bulk of young grads, but the high-end potential. Of course, become a Silicon Valley whiz and there’s great potential there too.

Undergraduates who major in business admin on average aren’t nearly the brightest, which is the reason, rather than their choice of major, that they don’t tend to become corporate CEOs down the line.


46 posted on 07/25/2013 9:47:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: BitWielder1
It's hard to produce enough engineers when the kids coming out of public schools are illiterate and innumerate.

It's also hard to produce enough engineers when the cost of a four year degree from a private engineering school exceeds $200,000 and there are limited spaces available at public engineering schools due, in part, to the large number of foreign engineering students who are recruited in the name of diversity and most importantly, because they often pay full tuition (unless they are illegals from south of the border).

47 posted on 07/25/2013 9:57:59 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

Yes and no. The MBA crowd has a problem in that they do not recognize the talents that they need and companies couldn’t care less and they implode.


48 posted on 07/25/2013 10:00:39 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: 9YearLurker
I’d say one to five years beyond a Master’s degree would be a fair measure.

I would say (and have experienced) that a Master's degree is not needed to be quite successful with an engineering degree.

49 posted on 07/25/2013 10:12:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: thackney

If that’s going to be your criterion, then you probably can’t fairly be compared with those on the most usual financial fast-track.

But you’re rare among engineers, including here on FR, for not whining about engineers topping out at an unfairly low pay ceiling and being put out to pasture all too young if they don’t move up into management in good time.


50 posted on 07/25/2013 10:20:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-73 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson