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Vermont Man Rob MacIver Wrongly Accused of Running Red Light, Takes Cops to Court (Video)
WCAX.com via Opposingviews.com ^ | Sat, July 27, 2013 | Amanda Schallert,

Posted on 07/28/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by Daffynition

The defendants in Rob MacIver’s red-light ticket case are members of the police department and his town’s administration, but neither of them showed up to the hearing on Friday.

MacIver, a 56-year-old Vermont man, is looking to win $2,000 for the damages he incurred while protesting a ticket he received for supposedly running a red light last December, according to WCAX.com.

MacIver says he didn't go through a red light and the police’s video proved his point. However, police have insisted he violated the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at opposingviews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; leo; lying; policeabuse; policestate
The *money* portion of the article:

**The defendants were reportedly found in a coffee shop near the courthouse on Friday during the hearing, so it is unclear why they weren’t able to make the scheduled proceedings.**

Six min. video, at the source; I don't blame Mr. McIver for following through.

1 posted on 07/28/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

I thought that in court if the defendents did not show, then the plantiffs won by default. Not in Vermont apparantly.


2 posted on 07/28/2013 5:22:37 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Daffynition
WCAX video of trial
3 posted on 07/28/2013 5:22:48 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Daffynition

So theres a Dunkin Donuts by the court house?


4 posted on 07/28/2013 5:25:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProudFossil

That is what I thought also.

Could the judge be covering for bad policing?


5 posted on 07/28/2013 5:26:58 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: ProudFossil

This was in small claims court, and I don’t know if things are handled differently. I wouldn’t think so.


6 posted on 07/28/2013 5:28:21 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: driftdiver

Apparantly.


7 posted on 07/28/2013 5:28:55 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: ProudFossil
I thought that in court if the defendents did not show, then the plaintiffs won by default. Not in Vermont apparantly.

The judge is on the defendant's side. He wants to humiliate the cop.

8 posted on 07/28/2013 5:29:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Daffynition

RTFA. The judge is on the defendant’s side. He wants to humiliate the cop in court. He was looking forward to it.


9 posted on 07/28/2013 5:30:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Daffynition
In March, MacIver brought the violation to a traffic court, and the police officer who ticketed him testified that he ran the red light.

I believe a perjury charge is in order here.

10 posted on 07/28/2013 5:32:13 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Daffynition

Prediction: the judge will issue a contempt order next time.


11 posted on 07/28/2013 5:32:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Daffynition
I'm not sure what gives with cops today. Do they do a penis check and only accept applicants with small penises? Shooting dogs, 93 year old nursing home residents, issuing phony traffic tickets? That's the best they can do? In this case, thank goodness for dash cam video. Try to videotape or otherwise record every encounter you have or you see happening with police--otherwise a lying cop would have the advantage. That's becoming an urgent necessity, unfortunately.
12 posted on 07/28/2013 5:32:36 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Daffynition

He better get a Kevlar vest for his dog.


13 posted on 07/28/2013 5:32:59 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Daffynition

We are moving into a police state at warp speed!


14 posted on 07/28/2013 5:51:07 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Daffynition
Typical out-of control, power-crazed little tyrant swine. Sonomabatch should go to jail for wrongful prosecution, perjury, and contempt of court just for starters on the criminal complaints.

Additionally, the $2,000.00 this guy will win hands down on the restitutional damages is a drop in the bucket to the Civil Rights violations this pig has opened his department and the City up for. If I were McIver's lawyer, I'd be suing in a Civil Suit for a minimum of $200K. Minimum.

This rump-clown shoud never be allowed near a badge or gun again. He's proven himself not to have the judgement of a four-year old.

Then, once McIver has soaked this scumbag for every cent he can get, this jerkwad needs his butt stomped to pulp. He needs to be tuned like a freaking Steinway. It's the only language these criminal cowboy's understand.

IMHO.

;-\

15 posted on 07/28/2013 5:53:56 PM PDT by Gargantua (Hey dimwit, is this a politically correct, sphincter-approved tagline? Too bad...)
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To: Hoodat

>>...and the police officer who ticketed him testified that he ran the red light.<<

Then in the video, the cop told McIver he pulled him over b/c he was *crossing the white line.*

I’d have to watch the vid again, but I didn’t notice that to be the case on 1st look. OK, the cop crossed the white line as many times as McI did.

One thing I know about VT, they are very strict about using your signal, when changing lanes...that has always been the case.

The complaint: http://shelburnevermontpolicedepttrafficstop.info/complaint/


16 posted on 07/28/2013 6:12:46 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: House Atreides
Try to videotape or otherwise record every encounter you have or you see happening with police--

What! And violate the cops' sacred privacy? I guess next you'll want to listen to all their phone calls and read all their texts and e-mails then set up 24/7/365 street surveillance so you'll know where their vehicles are at all times and build a huge computer system somewhere that will automatically collalate all that information. Your calling for a police state. /s

17 posted on 07/28/2013 6:12:51 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: muir_redwoods

Yeppers.


18 posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:20 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Daffynition

God!I just hate it when Police Officers abuse their authority.They wonder why the Public disrepects them.This is a Prime example.

The Complainant should have told that Officer Not to lose that video and that he would be seeing him in court.

It seems that the Officer didn’t believe the complainant would take him there since he(The Officer)didn’t show up.

The only way to cure abuses of authority like that is to hit these Officers in the wallet.


19 posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:59 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: House Atreides

It sure seems that way doesn’t it?

Did anyone see Huckabee’s show this weekend, about how we have militarized the police? Some cops have Peacekeepers for crying out loud! (That’s a tank like we use in Afghanistan). Why in hell does any police department need a main battle tank to protect and serve?

The guest made a very important point: We pay their salaries, and any public servant should bear that foremost in mind in every interaction they have with the public (their bosses).


20 posted on 07/28/2013 6:15:20 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Daffynition

It’s a non-issue. Per my understanding, he was ticketed for running a red light - not failing to maintain a lane.


21 posted on 07/28/2013 6:20:35 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Hoodat

The Court Testimony: The Judge has “Grave Concerns”

http://shelburnevermontpolicedepttrafficstop.info/court-testimony/


22 posted on 07/28/2013 6:28:49 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Hoodat
LOL...even tho the cop wanted it to be an issue.

McIver's bulldog! LOL at the conclusion....

MR. MACIVER: Could I get my video, please?

9 THE CLERK: No, sir, it's admitted into evidence.

10 THE COURT: No, that's in evidence.

11 MR. MACIVER: I paid for it.

23 posted on 07/28/2013 6:34:11 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Daffynition

Years ago in Dallas I got a speeding citation. The officer had followed me for 3 blocks and pulled up behind me when I stopped to let out a friend. I had heard that if I could find a defect in the ticket it would be invalid. Sure enough he had misplaced the intersection where we turned off the larger street. I went to court, hoping the officer wouldn’t show. He was there all right, and was well prepared to testify (statements such as “ I followed him for six blocks and when I finally got him stopped, he was way over at . . . {wrong intersection})”. Finally I asked the judge if I could be sworn in and tell my story. That was fine with him, so I took the witness stand and cross examined the officer. After just a few questions, the judge called me to the bench and said, in a very low voice “Your fine will be five dollars, and if you can give proof about the distance between the intersections that the officer described, I will excuse you.”

I went to the city engineering office and got them to type out a statement that the two intersections were three blocks apart. Took it to the judge and he waved me out. I stopped by the officer and shook his hand, saying “No hard feelings”.

But I had the feeling “ boy, I’m a marked man now!”


24 posted on 07/28/2013 6:36:31 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: House Atreides
Try to videotape or otherwise record every encounter you have or you see happening with police--otherwise a lying cop would have the advantage.

Good advice. Make sure to record directly to the "cloud" so they can't inadvertently erase your video.

25 posted on 07/28/2013 6:48:56 PM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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To: Don Corleone

Amen.


26 posted on 07/28/2013 6:54:32 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Gargantua

I have been pulled over for moving violations and found the cop pulls things outta their @ss, regarding the law.

At 2 AM one morning a local cop kept asking me *where have I been?*

I said [very sweetly]: I don’t have to answer that, do I?

He said: *No, you don’t*

Then in the following moments, he kept interjecting the same question into the convo...and all I did, kept saying “You already said, that I don’t have to answer that.*

I was lucky, b/c I only got a written warning. [no points]


27 posted on 07/28/2013 7:03:39 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Daffynition

The cop’s light turned green about a second after MacIver’s car went through the intersection. How long is the delay between red for one direction and green for the other. If it’s a long delay it could have been red for MacIver. Just sayin’.


28 posted on 07/28/2013 7:09:41 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: puppypusher
The only way to cure abuses of authority like that is to hit these Officers in the wallet.

Or hit them in the head with their own night stick. Might knock some sense into them but I doubt it.

29 posted on 07/28/2013 7:12:49 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: 19th LA Inf
Great story. I've spent enough time in traffic court myself.

Oh, the stories I could bore you with. LOL


30 posted on 07/28/2013 7:13:13 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: PLMerite

Lights vary, even on the same stretch of road [don’t ax me how I know] ;D


31 posted on 07/28/2013 7:14:41 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: PLMerite
The cop’s light turned green about a second after MacIver’s car went through the intersection.

2.3 seconds. I just timed it.

32 posted on 07/28/2013 7:14:49 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: 19th LA Inf

But I had the feeling “ boy, I’m a marked man now!”


Years ago, in the S.F. Barf Area, an older brother received a moderately serious ticket (reckless or racing or some such) and hired a lawyer.

The lawyer had my brother sit in the gallery, and put shill, who looked nothing like my brother, seated next to him at the defense table. He then answered in the affirmative that my brother was present, and they were ready to proceed.

When the officer took the stand, the shill acted nervous, kind of giggled a bit, and looked down at his feet. When the prosecutor finally got around to, “...and do you see the accused in this room,” the officer practically salivated as he pointed at the shill, and said, “YES! That’s him, right there!”

At that point, the lawyer got up, had my brother stand and identify himself, then asked for dismissal on the grounds that if the officer could not reliably identify the accused, then all the rest of his testimony was also suspect. He won.

He also advised my brother to immediately trade his car for another one that didn’t look anything like it.


33 posted on 07/28/2013 7:36:30 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ProudFossil

You have to say the right magic words in legalese to enable the judge to make the judgement. Those magic words vary by state.


34 posted on 07/28/2013 7:56:46 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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