IBTZ
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Posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip...
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.
His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.
He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay tryst.
(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.philly.com ...
You don’t intend staying around here long do you?
You can only do your best......
The Catechism says that the homosexual orientation, in itself, is objectively disordered. It is not sinful in itself, but it is something which inclines one toward sin.
An analogy bight be fetal alcohol disorder, or prenatal cocaine addiction, for which the child is not to be blamed, but which is going to make him psychologically vulnerable in certain areas for the rest of his life.
If he is aware of this, he has the moral obligation to avoid situations of temptation, and to strengthen his resistance to sin, by the grace of God.
The same may be true of some tempermental factors. Some people are especially inclined to childish silliness, some to melancholia; some people have a hot temper and a short fuse; others err on the other side, by being too softly tolerant, unable to rouse to anger even to fight injustice.
I think knowing one's own temperament --- and tuning always to the mercy of God --- can help one avoid habitual sins.
Then why did the other poster drag Luther into it and accuse him of anti-Semitism? There was no point to it.
Of course not.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Big AMEN on that, my friend.
IBTZ
Pro homo on FR? Time for the Viking kitties.
Welcome to FR.....
You are welcome, dear Elsie!!
See post 387
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjst9SSgXk
Heh.
Nor so wrong as those who will not exemplify the point they are trying to argue
I wish I were on Pope Francis' media advisory team. I'd like to coach him on how to avoid verbal foot-faults which can be exploited by the Adversary. Not that I'm an expert,by far, but I do have some experience--- and some ideas.
Again, I appreciate your good will. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I apologize for being confusing! I appreciate you as an ally!
And it’s gone already!
I only responded to a postings that alleged the Catholic Church was anti-semetic. Nothing could be further from the truth. Now, Luther, that’s another story.
"Pope Francis, in some of the most compassionate words from any pontiff on gays, said they should not be judged or marginalized and should be integrated into society, but he reaffirmed Church teaching that homosexual acts are a sin." July 29, 2013 Agence France-Presse
The Pope is certainly not going to reverse 5,000 years of Judeo-Christian moral teaching against sodomy, based on a deontextualized chat with the press on the plane trip back from World Youth Day.
Associated Press! Give me a break!
Very edifying, thank you. Just made my kids watch it. They are better Catholics having watched it.
For example:
Source "Cardinal Bergoglio said the challenge to eradicate poverty could not be truthfully met as long as the poor continue to be dependents of the State. The government and other organizations should instead work to create the social conditions that will promote and protect the rights of the poor and enable them to be the builders of their own future, he explained."
and
Source: "Amid Argentina's financial crisis in 2002, then Cardinal Bergoglio offered a sermon in Buenos Aires in which he declared "To those who are now promising to fix all your problems, I say, 'Go and fix yourself.' . . . Have a change of heart. Get to confession, before you need it even more!"
"Interrupted by applause, the cardinal added, "The current crisis will not be improved by magicians from outside the country and nor will [improvement] come from the golden mouth of our politicians, so accustomed to making incredible promises."
(Hat tip to markomalley)
I'll realistically concede that he doesn't seemto be Paul Ryan; but then, even Paul Ryan doesn't seem to be Paul Ryan anymore.
Pope Francis is not, or ought not to be, a politician. Much misinterpretation comes, I think, when papal or conciliar statements refer to a duty of "society" and people interpret that as "the State."
Society =/= the State. Most "social obligations" are on the low end of subsidiarity, e.g. the family, the parish, the private philanthropy, the county, the business community, the fraternal and charitable association, the diocese. Even a lot of Catholics don't seem to know that.
Which is a very damaging failure of teaching. But I am a teacher in my small ways, so I have to own some of that responsibility.
The media lie.The media misquote.
The media cut and paste disparate statements.
The media misrepresent.
The media twist orthodox comments into the opposite.
The media are anti-American, anti-God.
The media hate conservative Catholics
When are we going to learn to read the original statement in context before we criticize the people on our side?
Amen.
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