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The American Surveillance State Is Here. Can It Be Evaded?
The Rutherford Institute ^ | July 29, 2013 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 07/29/2013 2:09:43 PM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins; Iwo Jima
To: Iwo Jima
I believe that the initial invasion of Iraq was an appropriate use of defensive and retaliatory force. Are you saying that you disagree?

Nope.

Although I would have done it differently, both in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Flatten the infrastructure
Kill the leaders
Break the countries up on ethnic lines
Set the ethnic groups at each other's throats
Walk away

The message is pretty clear, F with us, and you personally will die, we will destroy all you hold dear, and your country will simply cease to exist.

Nation building? *spit*

312 posted on Mon Sep 24 08:12:21 2007 by null and void (<---- Awake and filled with a terrible resolve...)

21 posted on 07/29/2013 2:41:29 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: xzins
If you don’t sort your plastics by color,...

That's Racist! Oh NOES!

22 posted on 07/29/2013 2:42:31 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: null and void

We agree.

Mess with us and expect a minimum ten-fold response. And no effort to assuage liberal guilt afterwards.


23 posted on 07/29/2013 2:43:52 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Can the genie be put back in the bottle?

Could Pandora close the box fast enough?

24 posted on 07/29/2013 2:45:00 PM PDT by fone (never give up, never give in)
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To: PGR88

Wear a wide brimmed hat made of tin foil with a layer of polarized plastic on top to confuse the drones.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 2:45:02 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PGR88

Wear a wide brimmed hat made of tin foil with a layer of polarized plastic on top to confuse the drones.


26 posted on 07/29/2013 2:45:03 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: American in Israel

Actually had that happen to me in Germany with glass instead of plastic, iirc. :>)

It was a nut-job, busy-body neighbor who turned us in, but it actually happened. An innocent mistake on our part, putting the brown in with the green, but the next thing we knew we were being cursed out and the polizei were on their way.

A German neighbor friend straightened it out for us. (Never mess with the Polizei. :>)


27 posted on 07/29/2013 2:46:47 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
These communications are being stored in the NSA’s Utah Data Center

So, why are the msm including new the massive NSA Data Center in San Antonio, TX?

28 posted on 07/29/2013 3:18:17 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: xzins

Isn’t it funny that society rejects Gods laws for “freedom” and ends up writing billions of stupid laws to replace the ten commandments.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 3:35:04 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: xzins

FYI, my fight:

1. I don’t have a cell phone. If I did, the battery would be removed unless I was using it. I would recharge it overnight off the cigarette lighter in my truck - foils the bad guys using it as a microphone or using the camera. Did you know there’s a smaller battery inside your cell phone that powers the GPS when the phone is off or the battery removed? This battery can’t be turned off. In my cell phone it would be disconnected.

2. I’ve quit using Google almost completely. I use Startpage or Ixquick. Google results without all the tracking. DuckDuckGo also offers trackless searching.

3. The PrivacyBlock Tracker Block add-on is in my browser.

4. Ghostery software reports on and blocks the trackers used by web sites. For instance, FR uses just one tracker, Google Analytics. I’ve been on sites that have 20 or more trackers.

5. I have several throw-away gmail email addresses. These are used anytime I don’t want to use my personal email address.

6. I’ve quit using my credit/debit card. I withdraw cash from the ATM and pay for stuff with cash. Granted, you can’t buy from Amazon with cash. For that I use the card. But I don’t use the card anymore than absolutely necessary.

7. Most important: I do not participate in any social media whatsoever. This frustrates friends who want me to friend them. Tough, it’s MY privacy.

I realize that even with all these precautions I’m still tracked. But I’m doing what I can to be invisible. I won’t make it easy for the bastards.

I’m in complete agreement with Sen Wyden’s sentiment in the last paragraph and will do what ever I can to shut down this tracking invasion.


30 posted on 07/29/2013 3:45:54 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: xzins
and when it views the citizenry as a source of funding and little else, we have no choice but to speak to the government in a language it understands—money.

This is actually mostly wrong. Yes, the feral government (at all levels) is interested in extracting the maximum amount of money that it can from you, but it's not something they actually respond to. The only thing that actually has any effect on government at all is violence. The poverty pimps have figured this out, but thankfully, at the moment the violence they can direct is not very well targeted. As a matter of fact, most of the time the poverty pimps are able to manufacture some violence, it mostly happends within the plantation property itself, and doesn't really spill over much into more civilized areas. So, as a method of shaking down the slave masters a bit for the benefits of the pimps themselves, it works OK as a bludgeon and keeps the swiss bank accounts of those directing one or two rings of the circus like sharpton, jackson, and their ilk, it has apparently been recognised by those orchestrating the 'spontaneous' violence that their primary tactic has perhaps reached the point of diminishing returns.

You can see the change in this latest exercise in Florida. If you listen closely to the press that is acting as the pimp's mouthpieces that there is a not so subtle change in the direction they are pushing their brainwashed masses. It's obvious if you are paying attention that they do not want them to just riot in place. They are trying to push them out into the 'burb's more civilized environments. If nothing else, they want to make whitey, and by extension, anyone that is not a part of their jungle-like enclaves uncomfortable enough to shake loose some real money, and also to generally turn the heat up a little in society in general.

You'll notice that one of the side-effects of their racheting things up has been a merked increase of folks who are armed pretty much full time.  This is why they are so desperate to bring their 'duty to retreat' mindset into areas where it is a foreign concept.  You see, they don't want to you know that you can exert a rather disproportionate effect on a mob  with a relatively small application of couter-force.

Sorry folks, I've gone a bit afield of there I originally intended to go. To be more on-topic to the article, we need to start working on ways to seriously do some damage to their data-collection efforts. I'm thinking it is way past time we started introducing some serious  pressure against the police state's hardware. There is a lot of it out there folks, and there are many targets of opportunity. It would have been better to have started seriously taking the devices out when they were first deploying them,  but it's better late than never.. I remember distinctly being called a tin-foiler here on FR when I started making note of the cameras going up.  I think a lot less folks are snickering about it now. 

Personally, I think we've gotten to the point now, that anyone making comments about tin-foil needs to be  laughed at and ridiculed.  Seriously folks. I mean, if they are so disconnected and uninformed, isn't laughter appropriate?

31 posted on 07/29/2013 8:26:46 PM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: Albion Wilde
"Erected in secret, without any public input, these surveillance programs amount to an electronic concentration camp which houses every single person in the United States today."

It wasn't done in secret, it was being done in the open. Congress made it slightly harder, but Bush and Cheney and the others in their administration made damn sure it was going to survive one way or the other. FReepers were keeping track of it.

Total Information Awareness (TIA) System - Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

EPIC.org Total Information Awareness (TIA) News Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

Critics say Defense 'Total Information Awareness' Impractical - Dec 12, 2002 (Free Republic)

TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS (TIA) UPDATE - Feb 7, 2003 (Free Republic)

Pentagon spy database funding revealed (Total Information Awareness ) - Feb 27, 2003 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness Project Undergoes First Test - Apr 10, 2003 (Free Republic)

U.S. Pressing for High-Tech Spy Tools (Total Information Awareness) - Feb 22, 2004 (Free Republic)

U.S. Still Mining Terror Data (Total Information Awareness Program) - Feb 23, 2004 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness - Mar 8, 2007 (Free Republic)
32 posted on 07/29/2013 10:17:50 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: zeugma
Sorry folks, I've gone a bit afield of there I originally intended to go. To be more on-topic to the article, we need to start working on ways to seriously do some damage to their data-collection efforts. I'm thinking it is way past time we started introducing some serious pressure against the police state's hardware. There is a lot of it out there folks, and there are many targets of opportunity. It would have been better to have started seriously taking the devices out when they were first deploying them, but it's better late than never.. I remember distinctly being called a tin-foiler here on FR when I started making note of the cameras going up. I think a lot less folks are snickering about it now.

You are way overthinking this.

You want to put some pressure on the police state? You look at everybody that you can vote for in Congress, and you find out if they support the destruction of the 4th Amendment. If they do, you boot their asses out. You don't let them try and weasel their way out of it. You just vote them out of office.

And every single election you vote in, you keep doing this, until finally you have people in Congress who are there to look after the rights of the voters, not look after the government's interests, or that of its various defense and intelligence contractors.

Because what you are talking about is just delaying the inevitable and playing right into the liberals' hands. There is a reason that scumbags like Christie are nervous and are out there attacking people like Rand Paul.

Our only hope is to vote every police state-loving Democrat and Republican out of office.
33 posted on 07/29/2013 10:27:41 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
It wasn't done in secret, it was being done in the open. Congress made it slightly harder, but Bush and Cheney and the others in their administration made damn sure it was going to survive one way or the other. FReepers were keeping track of it.
Total Information Awareness (TIA) System - Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)
EPIC.org Total Information Awareness (TIA) News Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)
Critics say Defense 'Total Information Awareness' Impractical - Dec 12, 2002 (Free Republic)
TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS (TIA) UPDATE - Feb 7, 2003 (Free Republic)
Pentagon spy database funding revealed (Total Information Awareness ) - Feb 27, 2003 (Free Republic)
Total Information Awareness Project Undergoes First Test - Apr 10, 2003 (Free Republic)
U.S. Pressing for High-Tech Spy Tools (Total Information Awareness) - Feb 22, 2004 (Free Republic)
U.S. Still Mining Terror Data (Total Information Awareness Program) - Feb 23, 2004 (Free Republic)
Total Information Awareness - Mar 8, 2007 (Free Republic)


Thank you for your assiduous research. It is really an eyeopener; especially the description of EPIC. Horrifying.

34 posted on 07/31/2013 2:32:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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