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Obama doubles down on low-ball Keystone jobs claim despite fact-check criticism
FoxNews.com ^ | July 30, 2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 07/30/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by topher

President Obama doubled down Tuesday on his claim that the Keystone XL oil pipeline would create just a handful of jobs, despite being hammered by Republicans and fact-checkers alike for the claim.

The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.

"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.

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TOPICS: Canada; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carbontax; energy; kenyanbornmuzzie; keystone; obama; opec; pipeline; unions
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To: topher

When we all have lower energy prices, the leftover money is spent on say travel, entertainment, investment etc. That’s where the jobs are.


21 posted on 07/30/2013 2:35:25 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: thackney
Washington Post had estimates, but they were all over the place.

I knew that you have some facts to back up what you said (number of stations, etc).

Thanks...

22 posted on 07/30/2013 2:53:05 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
Take your jobs plan and shove it, Mr. President: Your policies have harmed Chattanooga enough
23 posted on 07/30/2013 2:56:21 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: topher

The press won’t challenge him so he can say anything he wants. In fact, they’ll repeat it and the idiot liberals will believe it.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: topher

http://keystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/


25 posted on 07/30/2013 3:22:52 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: topher

that is 50 more jobs than sylendra created.


26 posted on 07/30/2013 3:49:55 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: topher

To this squatter, his vacations are bigger “jobs plans”.

Someone needs to confront this B*S**** immediately when he spews these things...


27 posted on 07/30/2013 4:16:29 PM PDT by mikrofon (STFUBO)
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To: topher

What’s really weird, is that he is doing it for some of the most influential oil business constituents in some states (their associates pretending to be greenies, as so many in other lines of business do). They use the government against potential competition and have been doing so for decades. No competition allowed. Thing is, we’re going to need all of the oil we can get into the USA for refining in the future.


28 posted on 07/30/2013 4:39:01 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon in the movie, "Waterworld")
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To: topher

Hey, obie, what about the “reduce dependence on foreign (read Middle East) oil” lie you like to tell?


29 posted on 07/30/2013 4:39:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: familyop
Yes, like the Queen of England's two oil companies:

(1) Shell Oil Company

(2) British Petroleum

I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company... Ironically, not as big a stake in British Petroleum...

30 posted on 07/30/2013 5:41:20 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

I could be low by half. I was trying to make a guess at bare minimum added on to an existing system. But most of this is separated by many miles from the other line.


31 posted on 07/30/2013 6:48:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher
I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company

No. No one has controlling interest. 5% maybe up to 7% now is the largest single block of ownership.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/uk-shell-qatar-idUKBRE88610H20120907

32 posted on 07/30/2013 7:04:57 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: luvbach1

“He actually wants the country to go green or go belly up”

Those two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, going green will lead to going belly up if it were even really possible to go green.


33 posted on 07/30/2013 7:42:22 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Is there a source for that list that includes a summary of each one?


34 posted on 07/31/2013 5:08:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: topher

My first number is way too low after thinking more about it. I was thinking of a normal day shift only crew. I think every station would have 2 people 24/7 as a minimum operations and response crew. Add two more for station maintenance and two more for pipeline maintenance between each station and you have the hours for 216 people as a bare minimum. Over the couple decades following construction of the pipeline I think you would average at least twice that for support, upgrades, etc. I’ve seen a lot of work done over the years on existing stations. I’ve been one of them many times.

So on the low end, at least 500 people after construction is done, on average. That doesn’t include all the non-direct hires like buying supplies, repair parts, etc. You cannot run hundreds of thousands of hp in pumps non-stop and think they and the associated equipment doesn’t need operations and maintenance for the next two decades.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 5:58:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: FreedomPoster

Here is the link. I apologize for not including it in my original post.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/


36 posted on 07/31/2013 8:31:59 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Perfect, thanks!


37 posted on 07/31/2013 8:39:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: thackney
After a couple decades of being around pipelines, the president's number would be closer to reality than that one. Where did it come from?

Estimates like the 250,000 usually come from the "indirect effects" idea that for each person who is employed in a new job (as opposed to transferring from one job to another), the money they inject into local economies helps create and/or sustain X number of other jobs (doctors, teachers, retail workers, restaurant workers, etc.) - it's hard to objectively measure such effects, of course.

38 posted on 07/31/2013 8:45:07 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: topher
"Yes, like the Queen of England's two oil companies:

(1) Shell Oil Company

(2) British Petroleum

I believe the Queen has the controlling interest in Shell Oil Company... Ironically, not as big a stake in British Petroleum...
"

Thank you. It appears that the "free markets" are not so free after all.


39 posted on 08/01/2013 10:57:56 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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