Posted on 07/30/2013 7:04:43 PM PDT by amnestynone
Finding an American Jew who votes Republican is about as easy as finding a Leprechaun riding a Unicorn through a Category 5 Hurricane.
No, actually I won't let you reword that. Not only did you speak in error, but you did so in a patently offensive manner that seems to question the "Americanness" of Jews, despite the fact that Jews have lived in America since before its founding and served it honorably in every war since the Revolution.
Not the ones here, but overwhelmingly in America, a very significant number of Jews are Democrats.
So what? Many Jews are conservative Republicans too. It's a free country, and one of the freedoms we cherish is the freedom to vote for whatever damn fool you want to. If some Jews want to vote for dumb candidates, we can argue with them but that's their right. What's not ok is questioning their citizenship or loyalty to the country on the basis of their religion.
OK then I stand my original ground.
Up to you. :D
You’re free to post anti-Semitic nonsense on this forum if the moderators let you, and I’m free to call out that garbage.
Hey I get a bit near the edge every once in a while, but I think I have never crossed over into blatant inappropriateness.
And you’ll have to admit, I tried to climb down.
You refused, so I doubled down instead.
That was your decision. :D
Please note the author.....
Jonathan S. Tobin, from “Commentary” magazine.
For Tobin, “Conservative” means guys like David Brooks at the New York Times and Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey.
Tobin is a rock solid Conservative on defense policy and foreign policy.
On everything else, he is a standard issue RINO.
Re: “In 1916, the Republicans won an incredible 45% of the Jewish vote, that is something to strive for again.”
Strive for the number, but NOT the candidate!
Charles Evans Hughes ran against Woodrow Wilson in 1916.
Hughes was the former Republican governor of New York.
He was a leader of the American Progressive movement, an admirer of Teddy Roosevelt, an admirer of British Socialism, and, as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, he supported most of FDR’s Constitution destroying policies.
But 25% of them do vote Republican and that is where the maority of the 10% that is orthodox vote.
“So jews will vote 69-31 for the most liberal politicians rather than 75-25”
Not the orthodox they voted 90% for the gop accoprding to thiarticle and they may very well be the majority of the jewish vote(or wht is left of them) in a couple of generations.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/republicans-carry-over-90-of-orthodox-jewish-vote-1
True, and in the next election, in 1920, the Jewish vote went 43% republican while 38% went for the Socialist Party and Eugene Debs, and 19% for the democrat party.
No one knows how Orthodox Jews vote because the numbers are too small, your article does not give the orthodox Jewish vote for the nation and it is wrong for you to post facts that aren’t facts at all.
There is some diffrence of opinion on how much they vote Republican but there is no doubt they vote more Republican then the other elements of the Jewish community as a whole. This article says 87% of the Orthodox voted GOP. But, I think that may be high. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Washington-Watch-Are-Jewish-voting-patterns-changing
1)The Chasidim and Charedim live extremely insular lives, which means their views often remain private and limited to the community itself. Towards the larger outside community they are far from didactic and tend to adopt the extremely pragmatic tactic of getting along with and supporting the liberal Democrats who run NYC. Shoot, they live in a portable Theocracy, but that Theocracy never seems to impinge on the outside political world.
2)Even the "ultra-Orthodox" Jews often depend on secular and liberal Jews for funding. This is one of the ways (along with political ultra-radicalism) the seculars get to assure themselves that they are indeed "good Jews," and if the Orthodox were to mount any sort of campaign to correct their opinions, well . . . there it would go.
3)There is currently an obsession with "Jewish unity" above and beyond anything else. Everyone from the most withdrawn Chasidic rebbe to the most depraved moral nihilist is supposed to stick together because Jews shouldn't quarrel among themselves. Never mind that in the Torah Jews were often ordered to put fellow Jews to death in great numbers, without any "let's not find among ourselves" involved.
Still, this is good news in the long run. But the arrival of Mashiach is still our best hope.
Not all of them do.
Besides being "conservative" on issues related to Israel, what are their opinions on social and domestic issues?
They are conservative about their fellow Jews in 'Eretz Yisra'el, not necessarily about the Medinah (State of Israel) which many of them actually oppose. As to other issues, as I said in an earlier post, they basically live in an insular Theocracy. The good thing about this is that it's a Theocracy. The bad thing is that it is insular. They tend to worry about their internal world and not pay too much attention to what's going on outside and pragmatically maintain good relations with liberal Democrats. This is bad, but it must be remembered that these are a people in exile and have always had to walk a very narrow line.
I think there is a lot of resentment toward the WASP strawman that supposedly still dominates the Republican Party. Lots of nominally conservative Asians and Jews will continue to register as Democrats just to stick it to the strawMAN.
Which kind of WASP? There's the Rockefeller Republican varity (which the John Birch Society insists is actually Secretly Behind Communism), and there are the rednecks like me. If those rich WASPS have it so good I wish like blazes they'd share some of their good fortune with me.
Not rebelled. But the Jewish voters in America seem overwhelmingly to be hard-core Democrats.
Not the ones here, but overwhelmingly in America, a very significant number of Jews are Democrats.
Overwhelmingly.
I get quite frustrated, with Jewish tendency to support the left.
It is very consistent.
The Democrats can have the non-Orthodox Jews so far as I'm concerned. It's the Orthodox I want to support us.
There are two reasons for the continuing support of Democrats among Orthodox (and even "ultra"-Orthodox) Jews. One is that they tend to live in cities run exclusively by liberal Democrats and have to stay in the good graces of whoever is in power. And as I said earlier, though they essentially live Theocratic lifestyles, they are very insular. There are those who point out what a public desecration of G-d's Name supporting Democrats is, but there is such a thing as historical inertia.
The Democrats traditionally are the party not only of Jews, but of large numbers of ethnic communities: Catholics, Irish, Italians, Slavs, Greeks, you-name-it. "Blacksandhispanics" are just the latest addition (the Dems traded grudge-bearing white Southerners for the Blacks).
I hope this helps to explain things in some way.
Some three hundred years ago practically all the Jews in the world lived in autonomous Theocratic communities under the civil authority of the Rabbinate. We'd all be better off it that were the situation today. This notion that Jews are just another religious denomination instead of a Theocratic nation in exile has lead to all sorts of mischief.
Bury the enlightenment. Worldwide Judaic Theocracy now!
It was an hornor to receive a reply like this on my post. You have remarkable and interesting background for a site like this. I understand how they may not openly opppose the lib establishment but if they vote for our side that is great and all we need. I gather we will be seeing more freepers like yourself in the future.
Jews have been here for a long time We allknow of Haym Solomon and Robert Morris’s efforts in financing the American Revolution.
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