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Was Benghazi CIA Annex Running Guns To Syrian Rebels?
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Posted on 08/02/2013 4:27:16 PM PDT by raptor22

The Libyan Lie: Dozens more CIA operatives were on the ground in Benghazi than previously acknowledged. Were they running guns to Syrian rebels? And why are they and their families now being intimidated?

The only thing "phony" about the Benghazi scandal has been the cacophony of falsehoods and obfuscation pouring out of the Obama administration about the night four Americans, including the personal representative of President Obama, Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed.

Up to 35 CIA operatives were working in Benghazi the night of the terrorist attack, dozens more than previously reported, raising questions anew of why they were really there, what they were really doing and why the administration has tried so hard to fudge the facts and hide the truth.

One big unanswered question is why there was a CIA annex near to what was supposed to be a fledgling diplomatic outpost in Benghazi — a soon-to-be, we were told, diplomatic mission envisioned as the first fruits of the now-mythical "Arab Spring."

We may have the hint of an answer in revelations by Jake Tapper of CNN that dozens of previously undisclosed people working for the CIA were there that night, and that the agency is now going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing remains a secret.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazigate; christopherstevens; cia; fastandfurious; ibd; ibdbenghazi; impeachnow; irs; libya; syria
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Obama's Syria-Contra Affair
1 posted on 08/02/2013 4:27:16 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Guns? How ‘bout 20,000 anti-aircraft missiles?

Say, WHY do they check our shoes etc at the airport?

Cuz I got news for ya —IT DOES NOT MATTER (now).


2 posted on 08/02/2013 4:29:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: raptor22

Please don’t compare supplying arms to the Contras to supplying arms to the friends of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Contras may not have been perfect, but they weren’t handing off weaponry to known terrorist groups, or killing Christians in mass.


3 posted on 08/02/2013 4:31:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: raptor22

I hope Jake has his car checked-out carefully.


4 posted on 08/02/2013 4:34:54 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.i)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bingo.


5 posted on 08/02/2013 4:35:40 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: gaijin
The total load of 21,000 MANPADS included mostly SA-7's --old and very vulnerable to such simple countermeasures as flares. BELOW:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Sa-7.jpg

Also with the SA-7 featured above the target must be silhouetted against bare sky for the seeker to "see" the target. So if I'm a hilltop rebel trying to fire on a helicopter approaching from low in a valley using the SA-7 Grail, then forget it, the missile sees nothing, since there is a mountain behind him.

But After Reagan's air attack against Khadaffi (much later it turned out his daughter was not killed in the raid, as he'd claimed for many years), Khadaffi imported newer Soviet AA missiles, also, like the SA-24 Grinch, below, and THIS is the real problem:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j5TUVPrTpqA/Tmh48bS0bOI/AAAAAAAAAXM/T2e2iOPYRrw/s400/SA-24_Grinch_9K338_Igla-S_portable_air_defense_missile_system_Libya_Libyan_army_001.jpg

It flies at Mach 2, reaches up above 10,000 feet, and the aircraft needn't be seen against empty sky for targeting. Also the Grinch needn't score a physical hit for detonation --it also comes equipped with proximity fusing, so if senses an impending bypass, it will still trigger. Also if there is remaining fuel, this, too, will be blown in the explosion as a kicker. Even with jamming and flares, about one in four Grinches will score a hit, generally.

What type of success might it get against commercial aircraft in their current form...? The Obama Admin does NOT want to talk about this at all.

6 posted on 08/02/2013 4:37:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: raptor22

Whatever CIA is doing there, it doesn’t answer who killed the ambassador.

So far I’ve heard a couple of theories. One, that it was organized by Morsi (the gunmen said, after all, “Morsi sent us...”). Why would he do that? Maybe a consulate held hostage and traded for the blind sheik. Suspicions are that O’s people were in on it, hence the repeated orders to potential rescuers to stand down and not interfere. And that when the rescuers did intervene (against orders) and kill some of the hostage-takers, that led to the death of the ambassador.

Another is that, since they were apparently recruiting Al Qaeda to send to Syria, and buying up weapons for the same purpose, that Syria or Iran hired the hit. If so, the orders to CIA and the military to stay out of it make less sense.

Another is that, although we were apparently dealing with Al Qaeda, that they did it just because they’re Al Qaeda and they couldn’t help themselves. It was an anniversary after all.

Maybe. The head gunman himself has said he wasn’t worried about being attacked for his role, that the US knows where to find him if they want him. He doesn’t seem to be in hiding.

So, while its obviously interesting to me what CIA was and is doing there, it doesn’t directly answer who killed him and why. So far options one and two seem most likely to me. Anyone have any better idea?


7 posted on 08/02/2013 4:41:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: raptor22

al Qaeda murdered Americans,
then murdered an Ambassador,
and THAT was acceptable to the CIA?
and Obama and Congress?

Their treason and utter hatred for the American people
will NEVER be forgiven. EVER.


8 posted on 08/02/2013 4:44:39 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Fungi

Thanks fungi.


9 posted on 08/02/2013 4:46:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: gaijin

Paula Broadwell, Petraeus’ ex-lover, went to her Colorado alma mater and in her speech disclosed that one of the motives they were looking at for the attack was:

The attackers might have been trying to free captives there.

How many people think she would have said that if US personnel had not been in the practice of confining people there?

How many people think that in addition to the MANPADS smuggling there might ALSO have been a small SECRET CIA PRISON in operation, there..?

And that is totally aside from the nightmarish possibility that this imbroglio might also have something to do with NERVE GAS.


10 posted on 08/02/2013 4:46:39 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: marron

One rents these moosleem thugs. I go with iran paying top dollar to stop the transfer, in their traditional role of supporting assad. Amateur hour, and incredibly poorly played as such with a terrible loss of brave people.

they raised such hell about iran-contra.... the contras were pro US. No way is the mus bro-hood.


11 posted on 08/02/2013 4:47:43 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Diogenesis

How about this— the CIA and much of our intel is compromised by the islamic jihadists and their financiers (and arms dealers proxy for the russians and others)? What thinkest thou Diogenes?, shine your lamp.


12 posted on 08/02/2013 4:49:06 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marron

I think you are right about the staged kidnapping of the ambassador for the blind sheikh so that Morsi could get his man back to Egypt and Stevenson could be set free, none the worse for wear - everyone Heroes!!!! Maybe the homosexual angle played out in the double cross. It would seem that Iran could have done it because they don’t give a rat’s patoot about the blind sunni sheik. Saw an opportunity and took it. One thing for sure, our PINO is not playing for Team America.


13 posted on 08/02/2013 4:49:29 PM PDT by Sioux-san (So)
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IBD EDITORIAL PING


14 posted on 08/02/2013 4:49:46 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: John S Mosby
the contras were pro US. No way is the mus bro-hood.

I also find references to the contras very annoying. As you say, the contras were pro US and anti communist. The jihadis are anything but.

I suppose that's why Democrats and the press went ballistic over aid to the contras and are silent when we send weapons to jihadis.

15 posted on 08/02/2013 4:50:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: gaijin

Looks like a good weapon to have shot down TWA flight 800,


16 posted on 08/02/2013 4:51:59 PM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: raptor22

Fast and Furious II. gate.


17 posted on 08/02/2013 4:54:01 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: gaijin

It could be more than one thing going on at Benghazi....MANPAD recovery may have been a screen for a couple other things. It’s a LOT of people for a relatively insignificant city.


18 posted on 08/02/2013 4:56:58 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: raptor22
...Really ???

I'm totally shocked!!!

19 posted on 08/02/2013 5:00:44 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: raptor22

To anyone with half a brain (I know that excludes All Liberals) it was obvious that there was gun running going on. The problem was that it WAS NOT authorized by Congress...only by the CIA and the Dictator in Chief.


20 posted on 08/02/2013 5:02:26 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: cookcounty
[35 CIA guys] is a LOT of people for [Bengazi,] a relatively insignificant city.

Relative to what..? Bengazi is only second to Tripoli in Libya. And for very long East Libya was it's own Emirate, with Bengazi overwhelmingly in control of it.

Bengazi already had been a focal point for Islamic kooks in North Africa for quite some time --Bengazi was the Animal House of both kooky and spooky. It was very, very much on the CIA's radar-screen.

Regarding your point that there was probably more than one card in play in Bengazi, well there, yes I do believe you are correct.

I believe the main thing was the missiles, however I think probably there is some other major matter that they want to shut folks up about that had been going on, there.

21 posted on 08/02/2013 5:10:45 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

And when are some of them there rockets gonna take down some passenger jet or twenty???


22 posted on 08/02/2013 5:13:19 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: libstripper

“Looks like a good weapon to have shot down TWA flight 800,”

If so, why hasn’t it happened again? [Not that I’m espousing a spark in the center wing fuel tank]


23 posted on 08/02/2013 5:16:42 PM PDT by Tymesup
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IBD EDITORIAL PING


24 posted on 08/02/2013 5:18:58 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22

John Brennan, director of the CIA:

They say he converted to Islam while he was CIA Chief of Station in Riyadh.

Oh! Almost forgot...!

He was an exec at the DC company responsible for stealing GayMuzzie's passport data from the State Department, with the culprit later SHOT IN THE HEAD in his car in front of his freaking church.

Meh..! Could happen to anyone, right? I mean, I'm sure that's completely coincidental, right?

And since that happened right before Obama appointed him to HEAD OF THE FREAKING CIA, I guess ole GayMuzzie just LOST HIS MIND, and up and APPOINTED HIM, right?

I mean, I'm sure that a career CIA operative wouldn't know a thing or two about control and leverage, and even if he did finally learn such things, then he would NEVAR apply those lessons to his own professional life, right?

Perish the thought..! I mean THAT would be nasty..!!

They say that in addition to the ole' LIBYAN MISSILE SMUGGLING thang he was rocking down there that Johnny gradually DID NOT LIKE some of the nightshirted gentlemen running around the dunes down there. And that there was some mission creep and that he, uh...

STARTED PINK MISTING a good number of 'em. And their buddies DID NOT LIKE THAT.

SO WHAT THEN HAPPENED, HMMM...?

25 posted on 08/02/2013 5:26:45 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: marron

If memory serves me right the entire arms trade through Turkey matter was quite complicated. They had two terrorist groups fighting for them in Syria. One had links to Al Qeada and one I think had links to the Muslim Brotherhood. Supposedly Stevens was set to make a decision on which group got what from the latest ship to sail into the Turkish port loaded with arms from Libya. My initial guess was that Al Qeada was not going to take no for an answer. Hence the attackers were seen wearing Al Qeada emblems. But wearing Al Qeada emblems during an attack could very well be miss direction.


26 posted on 08/02/2013 5:29:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: gaijin

Well what will the bastard say when one of these shoots down a commercial airliner? “Oops”?


27 posted on 08/02/2013 6:02:43 PM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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To: marron

Of your two possibles I go with Iran paying the “whomevers” to screw up the deal (the “fake” kidnapping/swap for the blind sheik/ prez as hero for an October surprise) since the blind sheik is sunni no shiite.

The very possiblity that we would be arming al qaeda to depose assad (the outcome of which for Syria would be, what— another arab spring? They are Syrians) is appalling.

This weekend we are shutting our embassies in “muslim” countries (ain’t that rich) against possible “al qaeda” attacks— how the hell do they relegate that with our weapons deals with them. How idiotic— and it is the real scandal. Obama has stated as “phony” the two scandals that really are appalling— this and the IRS political gestapo case. Hillary does not get away from either one, btw.


28 posted on 08/02/2013 6:05:10 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marron

Al Qaeda is the CIA. Osama went left field, but the organization itself is CIA built and run.


29 posted on 08/02/2013 6:05:31 PM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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IBD EDITIRIAL PING


30 posted on 08/02/2013 6:07:53 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: gotribe

Oxygen canister did it.


31 posted on 08/02/2013 6:28:02 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 ("as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.")
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To: raptor22

32 posted on 08/02/2013 6:34:36 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: raptor22
Was Benghazi CIA Annex Running Guns To Syrian Rebels?

The "question" title of the article itself is an oxymoron.

Of course it was or WHY would the Obozo administration be going to the EXTREME lengths that it has to convince the public that there is "nothing here... move along citizens"...

33 posted on 08/02/2013 6:44:29 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: raptor22

Look at what was going on in the Middle East. Obama and Hillary were doing whatever they wanted to do. They helped overthrow the government of Libya. Where were the protests? Where were the outraged news reports? It looked like Hillary and Obama could get away with anything. What if you were head of a nation that considers itself as competition to the US? Would you want to smack Hillary and Obama in the mouth and draw the world’s attention to Libya? I wonder what Putin would do?


34 posted on 08/02/2013 7:02:18 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: raptor22

Why did Hillary and Obama use US taxpayer funded personnel, equipment and facilities to overthrow the government of Libya? And if you think the Democrats are stalling on this because they don’t want the info to come out that they were providing Libyan anti-aircraft missiles to the opposition in Syria, then ask your friends and neighbors about it. Ask them if they would be upset because our government might have supplied some old Libyan anti-aircraft missiles to the opposition in Syria. They’ll yawn. And the Democrats know that. The Democrats aren’t afraid that Americans will find out they were running guns. They are afraid of Americans finding out other shenanigans of Hillary and Obama. Why did Hillary and Obama use Us taxpayer funded personnel, equipment and facilities to overthrow the government of Libya?


35 posted on 08/02/2013 7:10:32 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: raptor22

Interesting that this is such ‘breaking news’. My brother-in-law told me this a couple of days after the attack. I though he’d heard it from someone on FoxNews.


36 posted on 08/02/2013 7:18:36 PM PDT by SuziQ
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37 posted on 08/02/2013 7:19:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: raptor22

Rhetorical


38 posted on 08/02/2013 7:23:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: raptor22
It wasn't a botched ATF operation, but it's true the CIA and DoS were running their own “Fast and Furious” gun running to Syrian Shi'ite Muslims fighting Assad's regime. The stench is overwhelming and the MSM is in full cover-up mode while the GOP is clueless.
39 posted on 08/02/2013 8:32:47 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: MestaMachine

Ping.


40 posted on 08/02/2013 9:07:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: raptor22

Thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 08/02/2013 9:19:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MasterGunner01
Uhh.....don't you mean the Sunni s?
42 posted on 08/02/2013 9:27:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ah, I believe you are CORRECT. Muslims killing each other for 1,400 years and they still can't agree on who the successor to Mohamed was — all while not killing Infidels. Islam is a death cult that's combined the Koran with “Mein Kampf”. Not a good combination.
43 posted on 08/02/2013 10:01:49 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: raptor22

“Was Benghazi CIA Annex Running Guns To Syrian Rebels?”

More like coordinating and arming a centralized power structure in the Middle East, (the Muslim Brotherhood).

Somebody said no.


44 posted on 08/02/2013 10:37:05 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: raptor22

Way worse than Contra....this is giving arms to our enemies!!!


45 posted on 08/03/2013 3:50:09 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: raptor22; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee; ASA Vet

Amazing how much was posted on FR months ago about the number of the CIA spooks with boots on ground in Benghazi, and that they apparently had two missions:

1. Supplying the Islamos in ? Islam countries with the weapons from Crazy Kadafi’s warehouses, and not just AK 47’s.

2. Besides that mission, there apparently was a prison that would have made Gitmo look like a London High Tea in comparison. This prison was used to gather info from Islamos who raised flags of concern. Remember Obozo/Holder et al’s hate Gitmo as part of their campaign and anti Bush rhetoric.

Forget about the so called plot to kidnap Stephens and trade him for the blind Islamo. That is another cover story like the Muslim anger against the so called video. Their real missions were #1 and #2 above.

Now, as we are learning the number of spooks with boots on ground in Benghazi. We will be learning about their support personnel. There would have been a probable ratio of ten to one in other support personnel in North Africa and other areas to ship the weapons and other monitoring/control mission control sites including Langley. That makes a whole lot of folks being monitored after signing non disclosure agreements to never talk about our real mission in Benghazi.


46 posted on 08/03/2013 7:54:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Having a discussion with liberals is like shearing pigs. Lots of squealing & little fleece!)
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To: raptor22; edpc; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050678/posts

The Intrigue Surrounding The Secret CIA Operation In Benghazi Is Not Going Away
Business Insider via Yahoo News ^ | 3 Aug 2013 | Michael Kelley and Geoffrey Ingersoll

Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:31:35 AM by edpc

In eight months since an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi left four Americans dead, a Republican-led investigation has focused on potential missteps by the White House — and come away with nothing significant.

There has been little attention given, however, to covert actions by the Central Intelligence Agency that were partially uncovered during the September 11, 2012 attack.

That may be changing.

CNN’s Jake Tapper argued this week that we should give more scrutiny to the CIA’s presence in the Libyan port city.

Congressman Frank Wolf (R-Va.) said the same, according to CNN: “There are questions that must be asked of the CIA and this must be done in a public way.”

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


47 posted on 08/03/2013 8:05:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Having a discussion with liberals is like shearing pigs. Lots of squealing & little fleece!)
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To: Grampa Dave
There has been little attention given, however, to covert actions by the Central Intelligence Agency that were partially uncovered during the September 11, 2012 attack.

I see the Limbaugh Theorem rearing its head with this sentence.

48 posted on 08/03/2013 8:06:27 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Thanks for your reply. “I see the Limbaugh Theorem rearing its head with this sentence.”

Please help an old man. What is the “Limbaugh Theorem” re Benghazi.


49 posted on 08/03/2013 8:46:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Having a discussion with liberals is like shearing pigs. Lots of squealing & little fleece!)
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To: Grampa Dave

The “Limbaugh Theorem” is that Obama is not responsible for anything that happens in his own administration. In that quote it looks like it’s all the CIA’s fault, or at least that’s how it’s being set up.


50 posted on 08/03/2013 8:55:20 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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