Too tired to care about VA scandal?

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | August 3, 2013 | Salena Zito

[sneakers]

Pittsburgh ping!

I heard about this, but didn’t realize it was in a Pittsburgh VA hospital!

[Jet Jaguar]

Active Duty/Retiree Ping.

[NonValueAdded]

Thank you for raising awareness to this deplorable situation.

[ConorMacNessa]

The stench of this Regime continues to rise unchecked, permeating the fabric of our once proud Nation!

America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[Hootowl99]

Whether inhaled or ingested, Legionella is pretty much related to a water system.

I ‘ve worked on one outbreak that was caused by non-engineered (saving $$$) modifications to a complicated potable water system in a very large manufacturing facility. Fortunately, there were no fatalities and 2 out of 3 cases were to cheapskates in the management offices instead of the production workers.

[Hootowl99]

I have worked one Legionella out break that appeared to be ingested, not inhallation, as it was traced to drinking water fountains. For the inhalation vs. ingestion mechanism, I think it can go either way. Inhalation certainly seems the most common route though.

[neverdem]

Legionella bacteria are naturally found in water and cases of Legionella pneumonia have been associated with aerosolization from cooling towers, evaporative condensers, misters, whirlpools, potable water, water fountains, humidifiers and respiratory therapy equipment. Rare cases have been attributed to aerosolized potting soil.

http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/articles/2012/04/experience-is-the-best-teacher-even-when-it-comes-to-legionella-risks.aspx

[AllAmericanGirl44]

bkmk

[neverdem]

Second-Term Nightmare - ObamaCare's chickens come home to roost.

Lords of the Transition Team (Mark Steyn)

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[Gene Eric]

Definitely not too tired to care. Thanks for pinging it to my attention!

[Impy]

Unknown number? It should be made known.

Hospital infections killed my grandma, those places are filthy. Wouldn’t expect any better from the federal government, though our vets deserve it.

[LadyDoc]

I checked the CDC site and they identified the cause and it's cleaned up. Local construction resulted in the germ getting into the air and it ended up contaminating their water system. Apparantly the chlorine/heating/silver/copper methods of keeping the water clean were not strong enough for this germ, even though the levels used worked to stop the Legionella germ before. LINK

I also wrote about it on my medical blog.LINK.

The Mainstream media only would care if it hit rich yuppies, not veterans or blue collar folk in Pittsburgh.

[Silentgypsy]

traced to drinking water fountains.

Could it have been aerosolized by the upward water stream?

[Silentgypsy]

Oh, I should have read the entire thread before responding.

[cva66snipe]

I know where I would look first and I'd use a breathing device. Culture the facilities chill water unit air handling units. It's a simple prevention really and don't laugh. Urinal Cakes or simular device placed in the water in the air handling unit. This was at least a once a month usually more often routine task for us.

I'm assuming this is a fairly large facility requiring at least several hundred tons likely more of cooling. In such cases Chill Water air conditioning plants or aka Chillers are used. Water is piped to several large air handlers where the cooling coil is. These coils in extreme heat also have shower nozzle sprayers and thus the most likely source. We were doing this in a medical facility I worked at over 18 year ago.

[cva66snipe]

Ping to post 35. It might make more sense.

[neverdem]

Thanks for the links!

[Hootowl99]

“Could it have been aerosolized by the upward water stream?”

Yep, it's not impossible although I do not know the probability.

[antidisestablishment]

The purpose of the "<"ABC—ZZZZZZ">" is not to take care of . The purpose of the "<"ABC—ZZZZZZ">" is to provide jobs for the peasants to ensure that every incumbents' power is secured.

[SkyPilot]

In my opinion, the one group of Americans who earned their health care benefits are veterans. Less than 1% of the population of this nation wears the nation's uniform and serves through blood and loneliness. Less than 7% of all Americans have ever served, and if you subtract the WW II and Korean veterans who are almost gone to be with God, than number is closer to 3%.

As in ancient Rome, the masses demand more Government benefits that they never earned.

Obama and Hagel want to quadruple TRICARE premiums, and the reaction from our "fellow Americans" is the sound of crickets.

The love of Americans has waxed cold. They surround themselves with their own misery stories, and they have quickly forgotten the sacrifice of those who gave so much for their own freedom.